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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:21AM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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Ummmm seriously???

The 360 RRoDs because of Halo??

I know people that got RRoD and have NEVER played Halo...your explanation for that is what??

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:21AM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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DAMN YOU HYAMS!!!

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:24AM eat it said

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that video of your mother going around

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 3:46PM (Unverified) said

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i think this is rubbish, ive had my ps3 since launch and it has been on 16+ hours a day in a cramped space, ive not had 1 single problem. ive had 3 xbox360s in an open space with bout 10 hours played on each and they have broke. my xbox now is running fine

Posted: Sep 1st 2009 12:37AM (Unverified) said

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yes bub it's definitely rubbish since everything worked out fine for you. You alone negate everything that's already been said about console breakdown.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 4:54PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Except that the article didn't give any hard data, either. The article gave the same anecdotes that BUB just gave. They didn't tell the numbers of PS3's that have been repaired and they didn't say which iteration each repair was, either. In fact, all they said that even resembled hard date was that the repairs are about 60/40. There was no frame of reference given for what time frame that represented and what the total number of repairs have been.

It's universally known that the 360 has had serious issues every step of the way that have never been remedied even with new revisions in fan sizes, heat-sinks and smaller chip sizes. The only thing that changed was that it went from an RROD to an E74 error.

How can you pile on BUB for giving his anecdotes when this hit piece on digital foundry did the EXACT same thing? There was no data there just meaningless accusations and hyperbolic statements. This isn't credible in the least bit. Give the whole picture and all of the data not just bits and pieces of sensationalized junk.

Having enough anecdotal evidence allows you to circumstantially establish a pattern and any reasonable person can assume that there is something more to it than coeincidence.

Too Long Didn't Read Version:
How can you say the anecdotes of bub are any less valid than the anecdotes of digital foundry? The difference is that bub at least gives raw data and hard numbers where as digital foundry gives little more than precision guesswork and generalizations.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:29AM Hyams said

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It's a joke account. You don't need to take it seriously.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:30AM (Unverified) said

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My PS3 is being used constantly in my house since I got it three years ago, usually for PlayOn, bluray, or music, but with the occasional game mixed in, and I've never had a lick of problems with it. The thing is rock solid. If it crashes, I'll be extremely surprised, but I'll also happily buy another to replace it.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:30AM Typicalgamer said

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For the ps3 phats, open it up and you will see a bunch of dust. clean it. love it. play it.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:31AM Wiizer said

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LOL, his dumb comments are getting killed!

THE SONY PONY STRIKES AGAIN!!!1!

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:33AM SmokemeaKipper said

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Out of my circle of friends, it's just about even for Xbox & PS3 deaths (PS3 still has less). However, the more you use an Xbox the more likely you have replaced it, and replaced it more than once. Most of my friends have only replaced their consoles once. I have one friend who is on his fifth or sixth 360, he uses it way more than any one I know. No one has replaced their PS3 more than once.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:33AM jecks said

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whenever i'd play fallout 3 for more than six hours at a time, it'd always crash my PS3. it's pretty much the only thing i'd play that much in one sitting, so i don't know if it's the game or the marathoning.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:50AM aristokrat said

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I had the same problem with Uncharted: the PS3 would overheat and turn off with a yellow light or something. The problem is mostly mine, as it's in a cabinet. I readjusted the shelves to give it a little more space, but with all this talk of Uncharted 2 using "the entire Cell" I'm worried about what kind of heat that thing is going to kick off (good thing it's coming out in the winter?).

Maybe that's why more PS3's are failing lately (supposedly). As developers figure out how to code more effectively for the system, they've been using more and more of the available power and constantly increasing heat production (as opposed to the 360 where I assume it's mostly been optimization). This comment has nothing to do with one system over the other, rather that the news has been that developers just haven't been able to effectively use all the SPU's yet, whereas I'm sure it's easy to use all 3 cores of the 360 (whether you use them well or not).
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:34AM s ls said

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lol this guy is pretty damn funny

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:38AM Wiizer said

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For the love of God, why doesn't he have a Halo Avatar???

You are not the ultimate Halo Fanboy, sir.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:42AM golobulus said

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i think it's going to snow in chicago this winter.

where's my article?

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:46AM Shagittarius said

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Not true...The 360s are much more vulnerable to failure. My friend barely played his launch day elite at all and it died just a few days after mine that I played all the time at that point.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:47AM (Unverified) said

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GAYLO IS A FACTOR OF 360's breaking then there is the fact that I can pick up that Hollow piece of crap with one hand all that's in it is a disk reader and a red and green LED

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:11PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Same for you: Please never have children.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 1:39PM (Unverified) said

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He can't have children. He's an android from the future sent to destroy Microsoft before they launch Space Probe Felts which alerts the evil Felnax empire to Earth's location.

Duh.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:48AM Shagittarius said

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My 360 RROD'ed after I played Yaris.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:50AM (Unverified) said

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QUIT DOWNVOTING THIS GUY HE IS FRICKIN HILARIOUS!

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:52AM (Unverified) said

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so the reason why the ps3 doesn't brick -> people don't play it

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:11PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Please never have children.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:14PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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Fail
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:55AM aristokrat said

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His illustrious Joystiq career started off with this gem:

"My first game was Halo. It is my favorite game ever. Halo stars The Chief and his virtual computer girlfriend and they are saving EVERYONE from the bad aliens who are trying to kill everyone who is good by making the Halo blow up when they accidentally unleashed a super evil alien that was more bad and evil than they were and it tried to kill The Chief and his girlfriend and all of their friends in the army. It is a very premium game and it makes all other games look dumb in comparison. Mario? dumb, GTA? dumb, RPGs? dumb, Call of Poopie? dumb. Halo is my favorite game ever and I will always be grateful for playing it and I love it soooooo much. The Chief is the best guy ever and I would love to be him!"

This is very premium comment. Grandfather informs me that this is win.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:02PM Nineset said

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I decided to finally purchase a new xbox with a jasper chipset last night to replace my launch console that had previously red ringed twice and was now starting to lock up again. I ended up with a pro 60gig made in December. I'm hoping that this one will function better... it sure as heck is a lot quieter, my old one sounded like a blow dryer.

As for my PS3, I've never had a problem but I've played it a lot less.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:13PM Spunky Monkey 190906 said

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He has a point...Red Rings are a result of Halo rings, no wonder the console breaks, it can't handle the covenant.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:15PM spin cycle said

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I totally believe he's seen PS3s in the shop. As you sell more product, there is more of your product out there to break. Trying to draw any kind of parallel between 360 breakdown rate and PS3 is a joke though. It's a whole different ballgame. Only the 60GB PS3 model even has above average breakdowns, IMHO.

I do agree consoles just wear out. Optical drive mechanisms just don't last. Period. We saw this last gen, we see it this gen, from all the manufacturers.

I disagree it has anything to do with heat though. Even on the old 360s the problem was the chips were not soldered down correctly. 120F heat (even 160F heat) is not going to pop chips off a board when solder melts at 350F, unless the chips weren't soldered down correctly in the first place.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:44PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Does it have anything to do with the lead free thermal compound? I ask this because my friend just had his 60 GB PS3 get the YLOD. We took it apart, cleaned the old thermal adhesive, added some sort of a silver based thermal glue that is allegedly better, re-flowed the CPU & GPU with a heat gun and put everything back together. We have both noticed his console actually runs cooler now almost like a totally different machine! We didn't measure the temperature before and after the YLOD or anything but the fan doesn't kick on as quick and it just seems that the new thermal compound better allows the PS3 to transfer the heat from the chips.

There was no way he was going to pay $160 (or whatever it was) to have Sony fix it for him. So, we spent some time doing research and fixed it ourselves for less than $20 after we returned the heat gun.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:15PM ChunkyB said

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FWIW, I owned only a wii for about a year and a half before I got a 360, and it broke twice. Luckily they extend the warranty when you get it fixed, so I never had to pay for it, but yeah, these issues will happen with anything that's used a lot. I played the wii probably on a daily basis, and it overheated and burned out the graphics chip (the first time was the disc drive).

Anyways, just saying that the wii is not immune to problems. If you use it a lot, it will break eventually, like any piece of technology (except the DS).

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:18PM Duke said

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Comedy gold! This should be upvoted. People relax and see the light that is Halo lulz!!

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 12:44PM (Unverified) said

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Is this a veiled attempt at saying that ps3's have the same problems of xbox360s? is it a veiled attempt at saying people don't play their ps3's? It's stupid, a low blow, and not even based in a single fact. Darren Thickbroom, you're a tool.
Joystiq.playstation, why is this cluttering my fun with this $#!%?

1. ps3's can take the heat, 24/7. Remember a lot of users, even when they're not playing games, use folding@home. even so, yellow failure lights are still a very rare occurance, and when it happens it even more rarely ruins the system like RRoD.
2 the average tme/day for ps3 is ~ 2.6 hours /day (august 2009)
3. the average time/day for xbox360 is ~2.7 hours/day (number calculated from sessions/day and time/session)
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/04/08/nielsen-report-reveals-average-game-console-usage/
4. the PS3 attach rate is about the same as 360 (7.9 vs 8.1 in august 2009)
http://www.ps3center.net//news/3473/PS3s-attach-rate-at-all-time-high-inches-closer-to-360s/

why doesn't this article say a single thing about this? The authors know it, as I referenced them for the facts. Another problem when switching from ps3fanboy to joystiq.playstation. it's annoying.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 2:03PM MacBandit said

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Agree the article does seem particularly trollish.

When I'm not playing games on my PS3 it's folding 24/7 and has been doing so for the last couple years non stop. I know a few people that do the same thing and non of us have had any failures. We don't use it in any sort of closed cabinet and it's not on the floor sucking up dirt either.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 1:31PM Marcus Carter said

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That's why it's good to turn off the system off and go out side or spend time with your family.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 1:34PM dogmaticatheist said

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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 2:01PM ReaCt3Rr said

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I dnt really agree with this, iv got a launch PS3 system (60Gb, upgraded 300Gb) and haven't had any problems with mine, neither have my friends or family.

Must be karma, love your system dearly and it will love you back :P

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 2:05PM Levi Partridge said

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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 2:15PM (Unverified) said

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Lets have a competition to see who can write the best eurogamer/digital foundry-style "praising the xbox and ignoring its faults while damning the ps3 with faint praise" article. Me first:

Xbox owners unhappy with its failure rate should bear in mind the ps3 could potentially have a higher faliure rate for the same reasons eventually. All ps3s will eventually fail, while almost most xboxes have not failed most of the time.

Meanwhile xbox owners continue to enjoy the popularity of the popular halo series of games, whilst ps3 owners look forward to exclusives such as wipeout and god of war which will undoubtedly be disappointing to some people.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:54PM (Unverified) said

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Dude thats brilliant just about sums up the whole horse shit article :)
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 2:57PM (Unverified) said

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It's very funny to see people who have a 60GB PS3 say the same thing as the people who had a launch 360 when the RROD problem first started. Have you people not learned that just because you are not experiencing a problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.

I have a launch 360 and I played the hell out of it but I did not experience the RROD until after 1 1/2 years or better(probably closer to 2). I use to ready about issues all the time and think to myself, "Well it's not happening to me so it doesn't exist for my system".

I also have a launch PS3 which I also have not experience any problems but whose to say that it will not do the same thing as my 360. I do know people who have experience problems with their PS3 but that was the same situation as my 360.

What to take from this article is not the knee jerk fanboy reaction that the PS3 cannot have any problems but to understand that this repair shop is seeing an increase in 60GB PS3 systems where the same fix for the 360 is also needed to repair those systems.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 4:44PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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The underhanded tone of the article is what gives this piece of junk science and anecdotes away as little more than hyperbole. You could say that just because one admittedly small repair shop has seen an increase in launch unit PS3's isn't indicative of a more widespread problem. They didn't release internal data in the article which suggests they are pulling numbers out of their ass. Why not tell us how many 360 & PS3 repairs the shop has had since it's inception or even in the last calendar year?

It's little more than a hit piece on the Playstation and smells an awful lot like a paid infomercial.

Are there problems wiht launch model PS3's? yes. Do we know the extent of those problems? No. However, the problems are simply not anywhere near as widespread as the 360's long history of hardware failure. For the article to insinuate that the number of failures are essentially equal without backing up their data with hard information it's hard to take it seriously. This is especially true given the questionable nature of the Source Digital Foundry and their affinity for Microsoft.

This is just a hit piece. Plain and simple nothing more than a smear attack without any hard date to substantiate the claim. There are a lot of assumptions in that article and there is also a lot of blanket generalizations. For example, they say that while the launch model PS3's are virtually the only ones that have come in for repair it doesn't mean the post launch models won't also be afflicted with the same problems. WTF is that? No reasons, no hard date and no proof. Just baseless accusations.

It's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that the 360 has been a collosial goat fuck of hardware inoperability. But, equating that mess with the PS3's issue is irresponsible and just smells of ulterior motives and a hidden agenda.

Prove it to me with real data and not babbling bullshit.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 3:41PM TOYBOXX said

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"People might disagree with us, but this is the way we see it: if you handle the machines day-in, day-out with the issues they've got, I'd expect to change them every year."

Every year? I went through 5 Xbox 360's in one year. I understand that both machines generate alot of heat. But to heat up so bad that it literally fries itself more than once a year now there's a problem. Hey I can't complain. Microsoft has the best warranty service around! Yeah, now that's something to be proud of lol

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:25PM Jacksons said

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So far, I've only had my NES break on me. You know, the 72 pin connector that wore out on pretty much EVERY NES. Just hit the consoles with a vacuum hose every time you clean your house. It keeps the dust buildup at bay without the mess of compressed air.

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:37PM Mazrael said

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The amount I've played my 360 over the last 2 years, mine should of fell apart.. athough with a 'Super Elite' with 250GB hdd coming up.. I wouldn't mind if it did (when the time comes anyway..)

Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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thanks johnnynumber5, my point exactly but just in stupid terms lol. the article said due to overheating? like i said b4 my ps3 has been in a cramped space and is on 16+hours a day and my xbox consoles havnt. so they are wrong

Posted: Sep 1st 2009 1:13AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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No problem, man. All you did was give an accurate representation of your experience as a multi-console owner. Your story is all to common and represents what most people have dealt with in reference to the 360.

Another point of consideration would be this - let's say the ratio that repair shop mentioned in the article had was 100 consoles 60 - 360's and 40 - PS3's as they said it was a 60/40 ratio. That still doesn't tell the whole story when making a claim that they have an equal chance of failing. Consider the majority of 360 owners get their machines fixed for free via MS's extended warranty program where as a PS3 consumer has an incentive to reach out to an independent repair shop because the PS3 only has/needs a 1 year warranty.

It's retarded to say the anecdotes of some hole in the wall repair shop are anymore indicative of the overall picture than your own experience multiplied out by a factor of 100K.

As I said earlier at least you actually gave the raw numbers. This posting was non-sense and a smear tactic against the newly launched PS3 Slim. Digital Foundry should be ashamed but they are probably to busy counting the donation MS sent them for the hit piece on Sony. What a sham.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 6:52AM (Unverified) said

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I have a launch 60 Gig PS3 and its on almost 24-7 since Folding at home went live. If i'm not playing games it's folding and doing it's work for science. I will be buying a slim this week and soley use that unit for games only. Time will tell on how good my 60 Gig is, because I will continue to fold until it dies or the program is stopped. Now My 2 360's I own the first purchase in 06 has been repaired 2 times for RROD and my newest one from 11-08 has been repaired one time for RROD. The heat that comes out of the 360's is far hotter then the heat coming from my PS3 and as far as the cooling fans jet engines come to mind with my 360's even though the launch PS3's fans are not as loud they still can be heard. I am impressed with the fan on the new slim my buddy just got seeing as you really have to strain to hear it.

On point I don;t believe the facts in this article, I am not saying the PS3 doesnt have its failures i am saying that it isnt nowhere near the percentages of the 360.

Posted: Sep 17th 2009 4:19PM (Unverified) said

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The PS3 fails and anyone who thinks it's some unstoppable juggernaut of a machine is a complete tard. Mine YLODed on me while playing MGO and now I'm wishing that it was more wide spread so I don't have to fork up $150 just to have it fixed. Oh wait, I mean to have them send back a crappy model that doesn't have my backwards compatibility. That's real fucking swell sony.

Also for someone looking for PS3 failure.......uh look at any gaming board? There's bound to be a thread on passed away PS3s.

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