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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:23PM jynxycat said

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The fact that the game had an ACTUAL player economy, with a banking system, is pretty incredible.

Sucks that it got shut down :|
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:38PM coil said

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EVE's still alive and well. The bank is... well, I think "struggling" is the word.

The freeze was initiated not by CCP (developers of EVE), but by the bank's directors - for the same reasons that a real bank would freeze its assets. EBANK is too far in the hole to make good on its investments, so it is forced to stop paying out *anything* (withdrawals, interest earnings, employee salaries, etc) in an attempt to stabilize and rebuild its funds.

So the player-driven economy of EVE is still in full effect. It just may be in the middle of a galactic financial meltdown.

EVE never ceases to amaze me.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:51PM BigD145 said

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Too little regulation.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:24PM (Unverified) said

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This game absolutely fascinates me every time I read about it (specially now!), but I know if I were to play it it would piss me off to no end.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:26PM (Unverified) said

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Also, who would join a bank run by a guy who's name sounds like "Rick Dick"?
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:36PM The Wicker Man said

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I agree with you. It seems like the political and economic drama would be awesome. I am just not going to take up another mmo. Picked up WOW in February and it bores me to tears sometimes. I hate grinding, but it gives me something to do in-between classes. Speaking of which...
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:55PM NathanDTS said

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Agreed. It way things are run sound amazing, but if you were to play EVE and you had put money in to that bank, you'd be pissed.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:25PM Haggard said

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It's insane, the scope of what can be done in EVE. Sadly, I just don't find any of it fun to play.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:50PM phobic99 said

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Same here. I'm always amazed at how deep the game sounds but I've literally tried and failed to play this game multiple times since it was first released.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:26PM Faceless Troll said

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HA HA! /Nelson
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 7:51PM risk said

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i lol'd
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:41PM latin trident said

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That is pretty amazing!

"This online video game, consisting of hundreds of thousands of players who control every aspect of the game universe, just suffered an enormous economic calamity due to player-controlled bankers engaging in Fractional Reserve Banking. When players got wind of the fraudulent practice, it prompted a bank run. Minus central banking, Fractional Reserve Banking can’t even survive in a video game!"

In other words, END THE FED!!!
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:32PM SuiXide said

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You said it.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 6:38AM JeezWhiz87 said

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Hither twice! Keynesian Economics is even ruining MMOs... wtf.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:51PM (Unverified) said

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Interesting. The best part is, these are tech savvy people. The actual real-life identities will be known and I will eat my hat if someone doesn't go after them in the real world in some way for revenge.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:53PM antwerpo said

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People still put money in virtual banks? After the Second Life bank debacle people should know better.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 6:58PM Centaur said

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"As with other MMOs, EVE Online's economy is completely player-driven."

I thought the whole player-driven economy was one of the things that made EVE unique? The Massively article you link to even states:

"Beyond its scale, what distinguishes EVE Online from other games is that it has a player-driven virtual economy, the backbone of the game."

Perhaps you meant "unlike"?
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:09PM Tonezorz said

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Star Wars Galaxies had a player driven economy as well. It might still, but after the combat upgrade I think they lost 98% of their player base (me included.)

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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:00PM NathanDTS said

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I remember reading about the guy that controlled the group that owned most the map in this game disbanded the group in a coup with a rival group to let them capture the area.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:00PM fanchax said

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ttlly
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:03PM JoshMilewski said

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This game always sounds so fucking amazing.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:14PM JoshMilewski said

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You just made the game sound even more awesome.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:13PM (Unverified) said

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EVE Online's largest player? That's impressive in itself.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:06PM Coldbrand said

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So if they're freezing everyone's assets why not wage a major war against them and take everyone's money while it's up for grabs?
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:12PM Tonezorz said

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For some reason reading this made me envision the "bank" being a super giant space ship that only (a corporation?) with trillions of (Kredits?) could produce, ala an imperial destroyer of sorts. Vs the mob of players with their personal ships.

Would be pretty epic.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 8:58PM jabberwockgee said

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If they had war declared on them, wouldn't they just spend the trillion credits on ships that could kick your ass?

Then, even if you kill them, you're just destroying your only chance at getting your credits back.....

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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 5:41PM PlatinumSkeet said

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But the battle would be epic!
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:19PM SSUK said

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EVE Online's new expansion: Recession.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 7:38PM ch3burashka said

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EVE Online is a fucking crazy place. They had that infiltration and eradication incident less than a year ago, and now this?
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 8:25PM Special Agent Steve said

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It's odd how video games are coming out with banking system. Supposedly Assasin's Creed II is supposed to have a semi-in depth banking system where you can invest money.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 8:39PM (Unverified) said

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I'm really ambivalent about EVE Online; on one hand it looks like one of the most beautiful MMOs I've ever seen. The ship designs and the nebulas and all the new visuals and effects of the updated graphics engine look phenomenal, and part of me wants to jump in and check it out just to ogle and stare.

On the other hand when I read reviews and articles a lot of it just sounds boring and convoluted as hell, to the point where I get the impression the only people who truly enjoy it are the sorts of folks whose idea of fun is compiling meticulously detailed spreadsheets of their weekly diets.

The sheer depth of the ingame economy fascinates me though, even if I can't understand most of it. Maybe I'll pick it up when the Ambulation expansion is released, cause the walking in stations feature seems like something that I could sink my teeth into as a new player.

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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 1:52AM (Unverified) said

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Thats about right. The game itself has a incredable amount of depth. And its very nicely done from a graphical standpoint. But thats where it falls apart. The solo part of the game is incredably wimpy. The fleet based stuff is ok I guess but youll be feeling the shoddy dropdown menu based control scheme very quickly.

Quality assurance practicly doesent exist. CCP once Deleted my Boot.ini file because of a programer mistake on a patch. The straw that broke the camels back was a bug that wouldnt let me past the flash screen.

EVE could be a awesome game if CCP would get busy on the awfull UI and invest some thought into the solo aspects of the game. Really the stuff holding it back is insanely simple to fix.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 8:41PM RudyHuxtable said

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The more rope you give players to hang themselves with, the taller they build the scaffold.

I've always wanted to play this game, but shit like this is precisely why I don't.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 9:08PM Omnistatic said

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while EVE online isn't for everyone, it's quite an amazing game...

I played for a year, and always have the urge to dive into it again, but I can't justify the cost with the amount of time spent being idle, or doing nothing... of course this is partially my fault, as I enjoy just traveling through space, talking with friends and exploring...

the game is an depth as you want it to be really... don't let these giant corps and drama deter you from a very engaging space sim... vice versa, if that's your thing, go for it.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 9:32PM ChomskyKnows said

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hold on a minute. this guy took fake space bucks from the space bank and according to the article "sold it in real life" wait...what?..sold it to who? how much did he pay?

follow the [fake] money...
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 9:51PM mocax said

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they're allowed to sell game currency for real cash?
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 10:27PM Yuccadude said

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No, see gold farming.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 10:49PM ScottG13 said

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Freaking awesome. I don't play Eve but I do like reading tidbits about its drama.
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 10:59PM (Unverified) said

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Dear Xav de Matos,

I'm glad to see you corrected "chalk full" to read "chock full" but I find it hilarious that you deleted my post correcting you.

I felt I was rather kind in my correction.

Perhaps I should have followed my instincts and fully lambasted you for being a paid writer who uses idioms he/she clearly doesn't fully comprehend.

I'm sure you'll delete this one, too :P
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Posted: Aug 31st 2009 11:45PM abelpc said

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I keep all my ISK in a jar behind my ship's control console.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 6:43AM JeezWhiz87 said

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What I want to know is who really thinks it's fun to come home from work, log in to an MMO, and work at a virtual bank for the rest of the night.... I would just work at a bank, or actually PLAY the game. I guess I just don't get it.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 10:13AM uncaringbear said

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That's what happens when you indiscriminately give out loans to people who can't really afford to buy those star cruisers.
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 11:15AM Trance Addix said

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LOL!
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 1:20PM caboose said

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from one of their members

i loled

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRk5YBjXsxE
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 2:22PM sRc said

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this isn't a virtual bank holding real money. its a virtual bank in a game holding in-game virtual money
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Posted: Sep 1st 2009 2:23PM sRc said

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well, so much for the reply button. that was @ Sebastein
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Posted: Sep 2nd 2009 4:40AM (Unverified) said

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Maybe if all them idiots put that much time into real life they mite actually amount to something. I for one don't want to be the idiot that tells this to my grandchildren. Is this suppose to be news? It's more like nerd central embarrasing. I mean seriouslly, does this get them any pussy? "Hey Baby! I own 1.2trillion ISK in EvE. Wanna suck my dick?" GET A FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Sep 4th 2009 9:11AM derdaim said

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compensating?
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Posted: Sep 21st 2009 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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Well, sir, you're commenting like 'getting some pussy' is the only important thing in life. Some people find this interesting, some people don't. If you're not interested, don't read it. Simple as that.
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