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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 5:38PM (Unverified) said

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With the exception of the overdone sentence about Batman's cape, this was very thoughtful and well-written, Luddy.

One question I've not heard anyone answer on a multitude of podcasts is one which I think you perhaps avoided yourself: "And who has the most fun in a Batman game?" I suspect the real answer is, "Someone who loves Batman."

However, I could be wrong but really won't overcome my skepticism until I hear from someone like me who didn't watch The Dark Knight until, oh, sometime after the Academy Awards.

Don't get me wrong, after seeing The Dark Knight, I thought, "They got robbed by the Academy." Nonetheless, I've never [shield yourself] been particularly interested in the superhero genre or dreamed about being Batman. Or Superman. Or Spiderman, etc.

So, despite your different position as person who has surely purchased hundreds of comics/graphic novels over the years, what would you tell a gamer that doesn't necessarily know or care what "Batman's one rule" is? Does the *gameplay* supercede the setting, the history, the nostalgia and overall genre, or do you just love Batman and this is the first Batman game ever (and one of the very few licensed games) that doesn't suck?
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:25PM (Unverified) said

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Well put, Spyder.

And yes, the gameplay is good enough to stand on it's own.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:25PM malexandria1 said

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Great question and I'll answer it - as someone who has always loved Batman. I honestly think this game transcends the genre and becomes more than a game that makes you feel like Batman it'll make indifferent people understand what makes Bats so awesome because as the writer said, Batman is more than just some dumb Superhero guy with powers, the fact that he has none forces him to use his brain and gadgets to figure out alternative solutions to problems. So as a gamer this game combines so many different game play elements to form something truly unique and different.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:27PM TheDarkWayne said

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that's an odd way of looking at it. Without all the nostalgia, history blah blah it wouldnt be the same. if you took away all the batman related stuff it wouldnt be a full game, there wouldnt be a plot, a setting, a main character, an excuse for gadgets, anything really. Would Halo 2 be the same without Master Chief or the Covenant? The history and setting of the franchise is a large part of any sequel or licensed game. If we took away the greek myth from Rise of the argonauts would it hold up as a game? Certainly not because everything in the game is built around that the same way AA is built completely around Batman.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:41PM (Unverified) said

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@Wayne

What I meant was that the gameplay is able to stand on their own, as if you were to put it in another game. However, without Batman it would lose a lot.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:44PM (Unverified) said

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I did not enjoyed The Dark Knight.
I did enjoyed Arkham Asylum
(big batman fan)
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:12PM TheDarkWayne said

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yes it certainly would lose a lot, because unlike Rise of the Argonauts or something, batman's gameplay is based around being Batman. Having batarangs, cowl vision, bat grapple, batclaw, batcave the asylum, the stealth and everything else doesnt make sense if you arent batman
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:31PM fatcatfan said

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It's been said already, but the game stands on it's own. I've never owned a Batman comic or graphic novel, though I do enough the whole superhero genre. I never saw Dark Night in the theater, though more because I had a newborn daughter and didn't have much time to get out. But I did love the movie.

I'd say AA is to Batman/superhero games what Dark Night is to Batman/superhero movies. There aren't many games these days, due to the aforementioned daughter, that I devote the time to play regularly. I have a stack of games I've begun but never finished. But with AA, the game's pace was so compelling that I was up into the wee hours of the morning to get just a little bit further.

I too waited to hear more before buying it, only getting my copy last week. I devoured it over the Labor Day weekend. It's worthy of your dollars, whether purchased or rented. I can't see myself playing it much more anytime soon now that I've completed the story mode, but it's one game that will stay in my library, never to be traded-in.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 11:05AM eat it said

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this gameplay has already proven itself to work without bat-man in it in metal gear solid.

sneak around, take bad guys, set c4 take out bad guys and craked walls, use thermal vision where visibilty is low. it's essentially the same gameplay with elements of metroid thrown in. but the batman characters and story just make that much cooler.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 11:38AM ytilanigiroon said

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I'm fairly certian most of you know this, but the game isn't supposed to be based on any of the Batman movies; it's essentially a recreation of the book by the same name written by Grant Morrison. If you haven't read it already, you should. Batman: Arkham Asylum the game is to Batman: Arkham Asylum the book, as I Am Legend the movie is to I Am Legend the book; both are much more tame when compared to their literary counterparts. That's not to say that they're bad, but different. I enjoyed the book version a lot more for I Am Legend, but B:AA the game has a slight edge because you ARE THE DARK -FUCKING- KNIGHT.

... probably old hat to you The Dark Wayne.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:16PM MDizzy said

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I guess you'll be hard pressed to find someone who fits that bill. If you recall the Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay game, people quickly went from saying "it's one of the best movie tie-ins ever" to "it's one of the best games ever". I think Arkham Asylum qualifies as one of those phenomena.

I honestly don't think this game would have worked as well as it did if it were just another Batman runnng through the streets beating up thugs game. The combination of the location (Arkham is as much a character in the game as Batman and his enemies) with the various gameplay elements is what makes this game shine (just as Butcher Bay did for the Chronicles of Riddick).

The game does a great job at immersing you into its world and making you want to play "just a little bit more". The only element of the game that truly requires deep knowledge of the Batman universe (who the hell is Calendar Man?) are the Riddler Challenges. Games like this are rare gems and should be scooped up ASAP.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 5:42PM EJ A said

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Well said, Luddy. Glad this game gets approval from a Batman fan.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:05PM Rentaro said

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I dare say that Batman's breast are in fact, bigger than both of the girls in the front
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:14PM Wiizer said

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HAHA joke's on you!

One of them's a guy... or is it???
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:09PM (Unverified) said

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Arkham Asylum an RPG.

This is the biggest pile of shit I have heard in awhile.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:13PM Jrinswand said

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Way to read the title of the article and instantly proceed to make incendiary posts.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:18PM (Unverified) said

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Please explain to me how you are not playing the role of someone in this game. Did you even read the whole post?
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 10:44AM LokeSTL said

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Funny, one of these guys thinks that "playing the role of" makes the game an RPG. I supposed Super Mario Bros. is an RPG because you "play the role of" Mario, right? Not! The system of battle is what defines a game genre, not it's story devices.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:10PM chdude3 said

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Uh, Ludwig? I hit "B" (on Xbox) to skip the animations. Or are those not the animations you're referencing?
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 9:03AM Baalzak said

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The point. You missed it.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:12PM (Unverified) said

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I have killed tons of goons in batman arkham asylum by pulling them off high ledges with the bat-claw. :)
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:15PM MaliceMajorE15 said

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becomes one of the most effective ways to kill in stealth mode.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:19PM TheDarkWayne said

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no they're totally okay, honest
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:58PM Sly C said

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my favorite is hanging upside down from a gargoyle, waiting for a thug to walk by, then stringing him up by his legs. then gliding off to another gargoyle, wait for another thug to walk under the hanging guy, and then cutting down the hanging guy with a nice batarang. its so funny.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 10:28PM Bagels said

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Rope-de-dope
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:13PM MaliceMajorE15 said

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we all know the bit where we spot the ambush. when you are saving the doctor right. it irritated me as well. next time im going to try and see if i can hit them with the remote batarang
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:22PM Zertoss said

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And here I thought Arkham Asylum was more of a simulation game: the world's greatest Batman simulator.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:25PM Special Agent Steve said

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Really? I thought it was the world's best Animal Zoo simulator. Oh foo-ie.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:26PM (Unverified) said

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Ludwig, you did a good job. Will this feature always be you writing it or will it rotate to different members of the staff?
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:30PM pkpk523 said

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that pic made me think how I would love it if they would employ batman much the way they used dead space girl a while back. have him pop up in every article somewhere in the pic and i would be scanning every picture posted.

who's coming with me?
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:00PM Sly C said

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i think we should have stuff like that on all holidays. like "snake in a box" on christmas. or jazz jackrabbit on easter.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:03AM maveric101 said

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i hope they do it to celebrate DSG anniversary.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:28AM dr steve brule said

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not sure i get the snake in a box reference to christmas like i do the jazz jackrabit to easter there sly.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:30PM MDizzy said

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@steve it was a double entendre this video will help you understand the meaning (probably nsfw) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAFy4CS27uU
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:40PM Bubbameister33 said

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Might be Spoilerish....

That third Scarecrow nightmare fooled the hell out of me.

He punched the Joker in the face with the explosive gel on his hand, why didn't his hand blow up? Other than that, this has been the best I have played all year.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:44PM (Unverified) said

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His hand armor was damaged, and he did shake his hand as if in pain.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 2:43AM (Unverified) said

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Its because he's the goddamn Batman
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:40PM (Unverified) said

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Think they post about Batman enough? lol
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 10:30PM Bagels said

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Shut up.
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Posted: Sep 9th 2009 9:39AM (Unverified) said

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I wasn't saying it as a bad thing. I like hearing about it. I enjoyed the article too.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:42PM (Unverified) said

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THEY'RE COMING OUT OF THE GODDAMNED WALLS!
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:49PM Wiizer said

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I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:50PM Wiizer said

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I recommend YOU a very good place:

HELL
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:52PM Wiizer said

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"I think everyone need to meet some miracle"

Dear God, these bots are starting to crack me up with their half-assed English.

I'm going to upvote this.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:52PM (Unverified) said

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THE GUNS ARE RUNNING LOW, SGT. HICKS!
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 7:53PM Ashitaka said

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1. What's up with that comma?
2. You want to be downvoted again?
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:12PM zerokku said

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My 7 and a 1/2 hour playthrough of the original Final Fantasy says hi.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:27PM (Unverified) said

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"The game's slavish and clear devotion to the character has an interesting, but expected effect: very soon, you start to think just like Batman. And once that happens, the lines delineating Arkham Asylum's various parts -- a little bit of Super Metroid here, a bit of Splinter Cell there -- become invisible, and the question of whether it's an action, a stealth or an adventure game becomes irrelevant. It's none of those, because it's a Batman game."

Probably the best couple sentences written about the game yet.

Just like you said, you very quickly stop looking for the "stealth option" because Batman (almost) never walks away to leave goons in control of anything. They don't just come into the screen to keep you from your goal; they *are* the goal.

Similarly, it never even occurred to me til I read this that someone might consider rescuing the various imperiled Arkham staff to be a side quest. For Batman, a "side quest" is stuff like the Riddler's Achievement-Trophy stuffing. There's no such thing as a "side quest" when innocents are being threatened by criminals in Batman's thinking.

This linearity of thought makes it hard for me to jump on the idea of it as a "role-playing game"...it's more of a "role-immersion game." However, truth be told, so few so-called RPGs nowadays have anything to do with Roles or the Playing thereof that Arkham Asylum's excellent immersive experience qualifies it better than many titles in the genre.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 9:04PM (Unverified) said

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Excellent comment, thanks.
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Posted: Sep 8th 2009 8:47PM I AM IRONHIDE said

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Joystiq, your genius is showing.
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