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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:09AM Dark Archon PSN Archonik XBL Dar said

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:/ I was thinking about buying it... but remembered that I already spent over 100 pounds on Guitar Hero titles THIS YEAR and there's so many other games coming out... I'll just rent it and then buy it for 10 quid when guitar hero 15 comes out later this year.

It's quite surprising that The Beatles are lower on that list with them being, you know, from the UK. But I can understand why, as Harmonix's Marketing in UK is, as always, horrible.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:59AM Ghen said

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For the casual audience though, The Beatles will sell for a longer period of time and at a higher price point than gh5 going forward. I think #4 is respectable given the audience will be more casual.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 2:00PM Tiptup300 said

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Guitar Hero 5 is a solid game. It's fun and all has an okay setlist....

I'm just bored of the whole rock band "thing".
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 7:14PM xxxsam said

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The Beatles game certainly has marketing:

1) It was timed to tie in with new remastered boxsets of the music, which meant it achieved one-sentence mentions on mainstream news. (That's one sentence more than any other video game has got for the last six months or so.)

2) There's a big stand of the game right near the entrance of my local supermarket, presumably that isn't a one-off. I don't recall seeing that done very often for video games either, usually it's just DVDs that get that treatment.

I've seen no advertising or media mentions whatsoever for Guitar Hero 5 (I don't have a TV so there were probably TV ads - but that's just standard).

I wonder if the problem is, frankly, the Beatles. At very least, it's kind of amusing that not only is the Beatles brand no longer 'bigger than Jesus' but it's not even bigger than Guitar Hero...
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:13AM Haggard said

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Hmm, didn't really think there was much buzz about this one. I suppose there's a shitload of people here who haven't heard of RB though. I thought Beatles RB must have done quite poorly - I played through the story mode with two other people, getting about four stars on average and found that I was 427th on the PS3 band leaderboard.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:16AM (Unverified) said

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Top of the UK charts but still Neversoft neglect the fact that both the DLC update patch and World Tour import features are MIA.... Bravo guys... Bravo.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:43AM (Unverified) said

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Is that a UK thing? I've imported both my DLC and WT songs, but I live in Norway.

Bought Guitar Hero 5 and DiRT 2 last friday and have been enjoying both very much.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:15AM (Unverified) said

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Can you guys just stop buying this stuff please? It has become another Madden/NCAA.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:51AM Benjamin Gilbert said

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I hate to tell you, but people buy Madden every single year. Millions of people. Just because it's annualized doesn't mean there isn't any interest in it.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:45AM Wozamil said

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The difference between Madden and Guitar Hero is that there is only one Madden every year. But when they release a new Guitar Hero every 90 days, then it becomes ridiculous and needs to be stopped.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:02AM Ghen said

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Consumers asked for 2 things last year and the year before. GH:M and to play gh1,2,3 songs in a full band. Why would activision deny that? Going forward though, who knows what they'll do. The fans are content with Metallica still and have just been asking for disparate bands to make the next game. There's no cohesive voice like the one that called out for Metallica.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:33AM (Unverified) said

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I don't know what you're talking about, but my comment was referring to quality versus quantity.

Madden and quality are practically opposites.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 2:12PM HighFiveJesus said

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They could always do a promo like.. buy Madden 10 and get Madden 11 for free...hahaha NEVER.

Be thankful it isn't, Buy madden 10 and get Madden 10 and a half for 50 percent off.
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Posted: Oct 7th 2009 8:48PM OZJD said

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jarhead906 whined a question "Can you guys just stop buying this stuff please? It has become another Madden/NCAA."
Answer to jarhead906: No. I like it better than Rock Band.

Woz cried "The difference between Madden and Guitar Hero is that there is only one Madden every year. But when they release a new Guitar Hero every 90 days, then it becomes ridiculous and needs to be stopped."
........or you could organise a boycott! Just get all your like minded friends to never buy a Guitar Hero game again. That should make a difference to their sales and teach 'em what for....or not.

To all you Guitar Hero hating Rock Band snobs. It may be difficult to believe, but more people like Guitar Hero than Rock Band. This is proved by the sales figures, Rock Band as a brand is just as well known as guitar hero, but people just don't like it as much. FACT.

I for one like Rock Band, it's a solid game, and I do prefer Harmonix's direction with downloadable songs, and the song list on both RB and RB2 (not that we'd know about RB2 in AUS EA you CU%TS) is better, in my opinion.

Game play is where it is at. Guitar Hero is better to me. Hammer ons in RB have never worked very well (the timiming seems to float about, never quite sure when to hit the damn things) something that made me play more Guitar Hero. I know I was right, they just patched the feature.

In my opinion the note charts are better in Guitar Hero especially on Expert.

I know 95% of Rock Band Fanbois just choked on there own bile, but yes I believe Guitar Hero has better note charts than Rock Band.

All in all just play the one you like (or both, I do), pull your dick out of you fanboi mates ear and let go of the hate, unless you redirect it at fanbois, that's allowed.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:16AM Flo said

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Name Recognition...
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:02AM Ghen said

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The Beatles vs. Guitar Hero


hmmm....
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:20AM (Unverified) said

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I think this has to do more with the fact that Rock Band titles take a long time to make it overseas. I have yet to see ads for Beatles: Rock Band around here (Switzerland), and the only choice for instruments are Rock Band 1 packs or Guitar Hero World tour packs. Rock Band 1 packs are everywhere but it's still hard to find World Tour packs.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:38AM Haggard said

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Nope, Beatles RB has been very heavily pushed here in the UK. There's a poster for it in the bus stop at the end of my street..
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:24AM (Unverified) said

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EA didn't do SHIT for the Rock Band brand over here.
We got RB a year late(in which time about 3 GH games had come out, along with GHWT), massively overpriced and the old instruments at the time when RB2 had come out in the US.

No denying that RB is better than GH, but the original RB launch was an absolute fucking disgrace that they're now paying for.
Most people are probably utterly unaware that they can use their GHWT instruments to play RB:Beatles.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 12:12PM Hafk said

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Hey, atleast you guys have RB2 on the Wi....oh.
Well, atleast the game is out in Austra...oh
You can always buy RB2 instrum...oh.

EA fucking sucks.

As an American, I feel bad for you guys. If I was in change of EA, I'd make the releases worldwide. It's pure bullshit how poorly they treat everyone outside of North America. They only did a worldwide release of The Beatles: Rock Band because Apple Corps. pressured them into it. If they had the opprotunity, they wouldn't have made it a worldwide release. Why? I don't know. Apparently EA hates money. Rock Band would probably have a bigger market share in rhythm games if PAL regions didn't have to wait so long for new regions.

Hell, if I remember correctly, Guitar Hero: World Tour came out BEFORE Rock Band 1 in Austrailia. That's just pure bullshit.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 8:57PM Warning Personal Opinion Has Be said

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It's understandable for outside countries to not like Rock Band for their release dates.

Americans got RB2 before some countries got the first RB. If there's one spot the RB series needs to improve on, it's distribution.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:33AM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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The British Don't love their own!?!?

SAY IT ISNT SO!!!!
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:36AM Giggman said

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The game (GH5) is pretty good though. Something about it just feels different than the others. I haven't tried the Beatles one yet.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:29AM Hafk said

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Neversoft went into a board room after making GH:M, put a copy of GH:WT on the projector, and said "What the fuck did we did we do right?". After the 15 minutes of awkward silence, they decided to make a good game this time.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:39AM (Unverified) said

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Im gonna get downvoted like crazy for this but I really do like Guitar Hero its a fun game and Im happy that I bought i mean people on joystiq act like guitar hero is the worst game ever created
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:08AM bxgt said

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Its not that its a bad game its the fact that if they took more than four months to make it, it would be a great game.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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Why does that bug people so much if ur not interested in a game ignore it and let those who do enjoy it have their fun
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:07AM MrSpaceCowboy said

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But if people don't care about the quality of games won't that lead to a decline in the quality of games across the board?

And then we'll have another dark age in video gaming like the one that followed ET...
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:40AM (Unverified) said

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Im not saying game quality should go down just that if u dont like a franchise dont go crazy when a new game comes out
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:59AM MrSpaceCowboy said

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I was just adding to BxGT's comment by saying that if developers get sloppy and churn out unpolished iterations of popular games it lowers the bar and creates a bad trend.

It's all these recent unpolished iterations of GH that have turned me off it and it's not something I'm willing to ignore (like you think I should). I'm willing to kick up a fuss because I'd actually like to see Neversoft lift their game a little.

I want to be interested in GH titles again, but they're not making it easy.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 12:01PM Hafk said

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As much as I have tried to defend GH games over time, I will say this. The hatred of GH:WT that so many have is what prompted Neversoft to make GH5 so much better than any other full band Guitar Hero game. And for that, I thank you all.

GH5 is actually a worthy competitor to Rock Band now. GH just needs more songs, as their 3-pack a week strategy will never catch up to Rock Band. They need more albums, more giant variety weeks, and 6 packs to catch up to RB.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 12:31PM aristokrat said

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I think another reason people hate on GH is because its become a very apparent materialization of Bobby Kotick's infamous comment:

"With respect to the franchises that don't have the potential to be EXPLOITED every year across every platform with clear sequel potential that can meet our objectives of over time becoming $100 million plus franchises, that's a strategy that has worked very well for us."

His stance is clearly not one committed to pushing the envelope of gaming or evolving it in any way, and GH came to fulfill that prophecy for a while. I'm glad that Neversoft at least had the pride to reinvigorate the series despite the message from above to just use cruise control.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 1:01PM Hafk said

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Bobby Kotick is the man behind all of this mess.

I think GH didn't improve until GH5 solely because Neversoft never had any time to make it right. They went straight from GH3 to Aerosmith, Aerosmith to GH:WT, and WT to Metallica. All they could really do was add things ontop of the GH3 engine which was broken enough (as it was their first rhythm game)

The decision to give Smash Hits to Beenox was probably the best decision that could have been made for the GH Franchise. Neversoft had a good amount of time to really iron out the details on GH5, and put as much effort into is as they could, without worrying about any other projects. The side releases will hinder the main releases if Neversoft has to keep making them.

Given the recent decline in intrest, Activision needs to stop asking for more GH titles every year. At this point, I just want a maximum of two releases a year, not four plus a handheld game.

The On Tour franchise is pretty much dead, since Nintendo killed it.
There aren't many more epic bands left to make a game on (and the ones that are left don't give out their music...Led Zeppelin.).

Really, they can either make another Smash Hits game, or a decade/genre based game. That's all they have left in their sidegame catalog. I think we will see a decline in the number of GH games next year.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:43AM Mayor West said

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Depressing. Batman is such a better game.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:43AM (Unverified) said

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I purchase all the Guitar Hero iterations, no matter what joystiquers say. I will continue to buy music games as I enjoy them. There's nothing I enjoy more than starting my morning with a coffee and playing Nickelback on GH.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:46AM Dark Archon PSN Archonik XBL Dar said

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You almost got me. Should have used something else then Nickelback. "Hannah Montana" wouldn't give you away.
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Posted: Sep 18th 2009 4:07PM robotoid said

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hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....haha..ha..ha..... oh shit you're serious :|
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 9:47AM Wozamil said

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Can someone explain to me the difference between this chart Joystiq one, and the other one the other guys used which has GH number two.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/09/500x_britsep.jpg
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:01AM Vordus said

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One is the combined all-format charts, whilst the one you linked to splits the different formats of each game into separate entries.
Whilst Dirt 2 on 360 outsold everything, the Sales of Guitar Hero 5 on all formats combined outsold the sales of Dirt 2 on all formats combined.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:03AM Wozamil said

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Ah, that makes sense, thanks. I prefer the other one because it doesn't list Guitar Hero on top. Anything but Guitar Hero.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:17AM The Pirate said

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You sir...are a fucking idiot. Good day!
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:20AM Hafk said

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Well, for the most part.

If you like/love The Beatles, then you will love TB:RB. Then again, this is no suprise.
Metallica fans love GH: Metallica
Aerosmith fans love GH: Aerosmith.

I think gameplay wise, GH5 is a bit better. Simply because they shouldn't have made the fret highways transparent. The dreamscapes look drop dead gorgeous, but they are often very bright and make the notes harder to see, especially with 4/6x and beatlemania activated. Aside from that, the game looks stunning.

I'm more impartial to The Beatles, so I bought GH5 before it. I really have to say, Neversoft got their act together on this one. This isn't "Guitar Hero: World Tour 2" like alot of people were expecting. It's actually a fantastic game.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:23AM Hafk said

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Actually, Neversoft has been working on GH5 since March. Beenox made GH: Smash Hits off of Neversoft's code from Guitar Hero Metallica.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:24AM Hafk said

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er... damn comment system.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:26AM (Unverified) said

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how its shit!!
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 10:59AM MrSpaceCowboy said

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What made me lose interest in GH was that World Tour was disappointing and then they released a crap ton of GH titles that followed it so closely. (Titles which barely moved the franchise forward mind you...)

It felt like they were going to quantity over quality.

However, I'm willing to give GH5 a shot, because it sounds like they've tried to fix all the things that were wrong with World Tour, which I suppose is a start.

I'm sort of saddened to see Rock Band taking a back seat to GH. I feel like RB is the better product, but GH's brand recognition and constant marketing have made it the front runner.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 1:24PM Hafk said

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I found that the feel of the game is just so much better than the WT-era games.

-They got rid of the distracting rope that held together tapping notes.
-The interface isn't trying to hard to be silly and over the top. For the most part, it's actually streamlined and good.
-The Gameplay interface unlike any other guitar hero game yet. So streamlined at good looking. No silly "Rock Meters" and star power bulbs. Everything is easy to understand.
-The Band Lobby is universal, and you can access all modes of the game from it. (Except party play, but that is just from booting it up/main menu.)
-Extras are accessable from the lobby.
-Vocals gameplay now has a "pie" and you can actually see how well you are doing on a phrase.
-The graphics look so much better. Not only is everyone less cartoony, but the effects on the screen prevent you from seeing flaws. Unlike WT, it's not just raw models in a venue. There's pretty blur effects and dynamic lighting (Took a cue from RB, much needed)

I could go on and on about how gameplay wise and visually, the game is hands down the best Neversoft era GH yet. Now music wise, that's up to the listener.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:02AM MrSpaceCowboy said

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WRONG.

Guitar Hero 2.

[End of discussion about the best GH ever.]
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 11:30AM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said

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Say what you want about Guitar Hero, I love both RB and GH franchises, save for a few iterations. Not much of a Beatles fan, so that one will pass by, but both franchises have their strong points. To me it mainly comes down to song selection.
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Posted: Sep 14th 2009 12:27PM (Unverified) said

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Who cares if Activision puts out GH every 3 months?

If you like the song selection, you buy the game and enjoy it. Buying a full game is better price-wise than buying 85 songs as DLC. So, keep 'em coming.

And why is it disappointing that Beatles took 4th? Because it's "art?" How about wildly overpriced. For 85 songs, you'll be paying around $120 US. (Maybe they should put this work of art in a museum, then we could play for free.)

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