Xbox 360 Elite for $249 (with rebate) until Oct. 5

pwned

I hope you bought Turtles in Time too, 'cause we're gonna need to rewind to the stone age to stop these silly bitches.

... I don't know, man.

haha, sam, that was gold

Go buy another one, return it with your old receipt, keep new receipt, get rebate. If all of that is worth $50 to you.

Could be worse, my Elite went RRoD this last weekend.

I just bought a year old PRO for $200 last week, but Im OK, since I still saved $50.

Buying a used 360 is like buying a hand grenade with no pin in it.

So wait, the xbox live gamertag 'Aggie_CEO' was actually taken before you signed up?

How unfortunate!

Actually I never tried it....I had the XBL name before I had the PSN one since the Zune and 360 use the same log in and I had a Zune since 2006...after just checking the site it appears no one has "Aggie CEO" or "Aggie_CEO" on XBL...if I didn't have to pay to change it I just might...lol

> And WiFi isn't good for online gaming, just so you know. Wired connection is the
> best connection.

Lines like this remind me of that old Aesop's fable where the fox tried like hell to get the grapes, couldn't reach them, and ended up just saying they probably wouldn't taste good anyway.

So, what's your company?

(Class of '89, BTW.)

Wired IS best.

class of '89?? NC A&T Aggies or Texas A&M Aggies?? lol

Texas A&M, of course. :)

But Fanboy, not all of us want to play that game. Some of us are just happy with our 360 as it is and the games it has.

Don't forget FREE online!

Who gives a shit?

Guess what? I bought my PS3 two years ago, and it didn't even come with component cables. I bought my regular Pro 360 3 years ago and it came with component cables.

And WiFi isn't good for online gaming, just so you know. Wired connection is the best connection.

Take a number and a seat, fanboy. There are a lot of people just like you.

Venar if you are happy with your 360 and the games it has then this deal ISN'T for you....you would come off cheaper buying the 120GB HDD....

Do you idiots get a cut from Sony every time you start your shpiel?

@Chris I'm aware. I already own an Elite. My comment was more his rabid fanboyism was out of line. PS3 is the system for some, and 360 is better for others like myself. Just because it has more "features" doesn't make it the better deal.

Wow, Mark! For 50 bucks, you can buy a game and get your trolling ass the fuck out of here!

"Just because it has more "features" doesn't make it the better deal."

Actually, yes it does. It's a much better deal and value proposition for consumers. But just because it's a better deal doesn't mean it's the best choice for everyone. After all, there are other contributing factors that go into a console purchase. I think thats what you meant.

Wifi IS good for online gaming IF your Router is setup right...I NEVER get any problems when gaming wirelessly....

and Venar...just cause something has more features doesnt make it the better deal??

I beg to differ....lets look @ cars....if I can get a Toyota Avalon with little to no extras no HD Radio, no Automatic windows, no leather seats, no passenger side Temp control, no keyless entry, no CD Changer, no MP3 Player, for $30k. or I could get a Chevy Impala with all those features PLUS I don't have to pay the cost of taking it to a foreign/imports auto shop and pay extra for simple things such as brakes and oil changes down the down the road AND it cost $1-2k more....DAMN if THOSE features dont make it a better deal...

Features aside, one may base a console purchase on a particular system's catalog of games. Cars are cars, so only the features are relevant. Not the best argument in the world.

But for the record, Chris, I'll take a ride in your Impala anytime.

I have not experienced any connection problems over WiFi on PS3 or 360. I had the PS3 and Wii wireless and the 360 wired for a long time until I ran across a WiFi adapter for the 360 at a pawn shop.

Once I went wireless with the 360 I didn't notice any lag or performance loss after coming off of a wired connection. Trust me I would have noticed because it was wired for years.

Anyone that believes that wireless is useless for gaming and you some how have this distinct advantage on line with a wired connection is fooling themselves.... (Liqwid)

Not everyone needs/wants a wifi adapter or BluRay. Not everyone wants to play Uncharted 2 either. I'll take Gears of War, Halo and Mass Effect over Uncharted 2, Final Fantasy and MGS any day of the week. And I'll take my Netflix on-demand. And I'll take my far superior online service (that costs me $4 / month). And I'll take my RROD. You can have your YLOD. We can all be happy.

Now, I can't say the same about God of War. That's a good fucking game.

....do people not know that Final Fantasy 13 is coming to the 360? That's the freakin reason I bought the damned thing!

SugarDaddy...try that again with Games I CAN'T Get on PC already....lol

@SugarDaddy "...Not everyone needs/wants a wifi adapter or BluRay"

Mark was being a dick, true. But don't get all equally nerd rage silly. The point is not that you don't need a wifi adapter, it's that people that want a wifi adapter are getting fucked up the ass. You don't need BluRay, but back in the format wars the hd-dvd add-on was $200. You don't need to replace the hard drive, but those that do can't get one off the shelf. Most of the (many) parts Sony didn't include are standard, so you can at least bargain shop. To me the PS3's features were worth the original price, but to most they were not. But please, please stop inferring that Microsoft doesn't shaft consumers with a parade of proprietary parts.

And we have the YLoD (among others), but your chance of death is at least 20% higher. Live I'm not going to contest; you have that one outright. Though Netflix is not something limited to the Xbox.

The 360's dominance is not based on the engineering prowess or value of the parts. They are shit. But it has a great online service, they released early, and the costs of development are lower. That brought in the greater library of games. I'll prolly buy into this rebate deal, because there are some games I want for the 360. And like you I won't need blu-ray, wi-fi, or more hard drive space. But I can still dislike the price gouging. Now if the parts were reasonably priced, you'd have a point.

@Chris: "How much is Sony paying these guys?"

About the same as they pay you: Zero. We like the PS3 even if we own 360's ourselves. You own a PS3, but like the 360. So we talk up the virtues of each console. We can be dicks about it; you can be dicks about it.

There ain't no mystery about why we do these things pal. We're gamers: Nerdy, nerdy gamers.

@ Borland

You make such great Straw Man arguments.

Short term memory much?

Remember when the PS2 came out? No HDD included, you had to pay outrageous sums for an 8MB memory card; that could easily get lost. No network adapter either, that had to be purchased separately as well for $40. Even the Dreamcast was playable online out of the box.

Sony is the king of proprietary items. Memory Stick, ATARC, Mini Disc, UMD... hell even installing viruses on your PC if you legally purchased music from them. Even Blu-ray is just another means of making it difficult to use the media you purchase work correctly. I could not watch Fantastic 4 on my standalone Blu-Ray player when I rented it.

If the original Xbox had a HDD failure it would rendered the console useless. That's why MS wanted the 360 to still be playable without a HDD. I agree that HDD is over priced, but it was a lesson MS learned.

Can any games be played without a HDD on the PS3?

Did the PS2 have the best hardware? Nope, it had a huge library of games. And games are why we play consoles.

Just like we know, most people that play their console do not even have it hooked up to an HDTV. I wonder how many others there are that simply never use WiFi, never use the Blu-ray player, never even bother playing online.

Does anyone know if you can hook up a USB WiFi adapter to a PS3 and it will work? I'm curious about that myself. Having worked for Hewlett-Packard, built in WiFi chips in notebooks often die.

Any how, you can thank MS for paving the way for Sony putting a HDD and network adapter in their console to begin with. Those PS3 features you say were worth the original price were in direct response to the original Xbox & Xbox 360. Sony knew they were late to market and relinquished the proprietary reins because at the time of launch those were really the only thing they had that could justify a $600 price tag.

Sony and MS will take whatever money they can out of your pocket given the chance. So neither company is a saint. It's even more pathetic to admit you're in their "Defense Force"

@CaveMan: "Short term memory much?"

Not at all. I'm not defending the PS2 or Sony per se. I'm defending the PS3 and it's relatively open nature. I'd rather NOT go back to the PS2 proprietary days thank you.

PS While I like my PS3 a lot, the "SDF" part of my name is a joke.

@ Borland

Fair enough.

However I did have a few questions that went unanswered.

If you know the answer off the top of your head I would appreciate it.

Are games playable without a HDD on the PS3?

The USB WiFi question is not as important, but if you know...

@Caveman: "Are games playable without a HDD on the PS3?"

Nope. That's part of the spec. However, unlike the XBox original the PS3 is not rendered useless with a hard drive failure. Nor is data lost with preparation. Sony learned from the original XBox as well.

The PS3 has the operating system stored on Flash memory. If a hard drive is new the PS3 will format the new drive. And the PS3 comes with a (albeit a little known) feature that lets you create an image of your hard drive to an external source. I have an external 500GB drive hooked up for just such backup.

And I'm not attacking the 360 when I say that HD failure was absolutely NOT the reason they skipped making it mandatory. Detaching the HD allowed them to cut one more part out to offer the arcade (or core) unit. And if the missing parts weren't ridiculously priced I wouldn't be debating your points at all.

As for the wifi adapter I can only say I've used an access point to boost the power. But that's not a differentiation since you can use the same method on the 360.

That Ethernet cable that came with my Elite is useless as my router is over 25' away....and thankfully it also came with an HDMI Cable......even tho I already had 5 laying around its nice to get an extra included...lol

@ LiqwidPro...I think there's much more value in a Blu-ray player, built-in wi-fi and FREE ONLINE, than in component cables...who uses those things anyway? You can pick up an HDMI cable on Amazon for under 2 bucks....Besides, what kind of cables does the current Xbox come with now...Weird.

Mark,

1. Reply fail

2. If you're going to tout the value of Blu-ray and then doubt the worth of component cables, you, sir, are a dumb shit.

I will admit I sorta jumped the gun with that one... I'm not entirely sure what I was getting at.

Youre happy that you spent $100 extra for a smaller HDD and a component/ethernet cable?

err $200

Microsoft is mocking us 20GB hard driver owners. How about a $100 instant rebate on your overpriced laptop drive.

I also got two controllers, not one, and a Play and Charge kit. Not to mention I experienced an Xbox before the worthless NXE.

To clarify this is for people who already have a 360 and are thinking about upgrading to the Elite and refuse to buy a PS3.

For people who don't have either just buy what you like.

What kind of dipshit refuses to buy another console? If you already have a 360 then get another console so you have a bigger selection of games. The elite is not an "upgrade," the HDD is an upgrade which you can buy separately for less money, the console is exactly the same.