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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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So new Street Fighter IV?

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 11:50AM jynxycat said

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HRAPs aren't bad, the hori buttons are some times hit or miss though :\

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:29PM Haohmaru said

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Hori buttons? Damn. :( Are they at least quick disconnects? Please no soldering.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:38PM jynxycat said

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Only the Hori EX sticks are without quick disconnects. All the HRAPs are QDs.
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Posted: Sep 27th 2009 4:14AM DJ Clae said

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I've rarely if ever paid more than $100 for a game. That's not how much my games cost. I have a small handful of arcade boards I use with my supergun. Beyond that, I just play consoles like everyone else here.

It does nothing to change the fact that you're paying a lot for a stick that you can only use on one system.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:36PM DJ Clae said

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You're wasting your money on anything that's no PS1/2-compatible. I'll never pay that much for something I can only use with one console.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:45PM makimak22 said

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you mean a 360 joystick that's PS1/2 compatible as well??
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:48PM DJ Clae said

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Nope. I mean get a PS-compatible stick so you can play them on every other system with a convert. I have the converter for 360 (too expensive, but better than buying a 360-only stick) and a couple for Neo Geo. I also use the Neo Geo ones to use PS controllers on my supergun. I have a lot of arcade boards, so if I'm going to invest in a stick, I want to be able to play all my games with it.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:39PM jynxycat said

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Or you aren't wasting money if you don't plan to use it on ps1/2. Some people may get it soley for sf4/BB/Tekken. The people who want to use a stick for 3S or older titles, more than likely already have a stick.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:42PM DJ Clae said

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So I'm buying a stick to play everything and you're buying a very expensive stick solely for those titles. In other words, a waste of money.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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There aren't any high-end multi-console sticks on the market; any multi-console stick isn't made by a respectable company. If you want a multi-console stick, then you have to get one custom-made or modify an existing stick.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:08PM DJ Clae said

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As I already said, I'm not talking about multi-console sticks. I'm talking about getting a PS1/2-compatible stick because it's still the standard. Ones that only work on PS3 or 360 are a waste of money.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:01PM (Unverified) said

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The guy who pays upwards of $100 per game (that's assuming you are only buying really old and/or heavily used PCBs/Kits) shouldn't be telling everyone they are wasting their money on their gaming hardware.

Shouldn't you be building your own anyways, seeing as you obviously suffer from an extreme case of hobbiest-gamer syndrome?
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:06PM PhrostByte said

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Actually.. you can play 3S off the SFAC disc on 360 with any 360 stick.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:38PM Audible Fury said

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sickness :) but I think the wife would kill me.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:54PM makimak22 said

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"In addition, new mid-range sticks for PS3 and 360 are due out this winter for 5,500 and 6,980, respectively -- a price discrepancy that suggests that wireless technology is involved,"

The difference in price (1480 yen = US$17) is due to the higher licensing cost of 360 accessories, not because it is wireless.

For ppx who don't like Hori buttons, Hori does have higher-end models which use SANWA buttons (the Pro3 SA model) or the SEIMITSU buttons (Pro3 SE).

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 12:55PM CaptainProtonX said

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I do everything Joystiq says.

My arcade sticks are now in the trash. I await the latest and greatest.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:08PM WiredKnight said

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...can I have 'em?
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:19PM Llamaegg said

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Still say it's better to build one then buy one, hell, you don't even need to know how to solder to make one. Not only does it allow you to choose company choice for buttons/stick, but also allows you to pick what layout you prefer.

Plus, if you plan ahead of time, you don't even need to worry about converters. Mine can connect to a 360, PS3 and PSX, so no need to worry about finicky converters.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:41PM jynxycat said

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Well a TE stick has the best components, and has a layout for both curved an straight buttons.

I fail to see the point in spending more money for a custom from say, Arcade in a box.

Sure making your own may be cheaper, but I'm sure the majority of the people who buy sticks, do so because they don't have the ability/tools to make their own. Such is the situation for basically every item sold ever :P
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:50PM Llamaegg said

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The best parts? Not necessarily , both Sanwa and Seimitsu are the two highest contenders for buttons in the arcade market, and both have a different feel to them making them a personal preference.

Same with layout, I prefer Blast City layout to any other, there is no "One layout to control them all".

As for tools, I finished mine with a screw driver. I ordered a case (and there are some cheap ones out there if you look) for my setup, though I've seen people do cases with bare minimum of tools.

I just figure if your spending $150 on a stick, you should get one that is tailored to your tastes.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 11:28PM nighttime said

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Thanks for the tip!

i've been considering whether to buy a high end or make my own!

thank you :)
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:21PM Vegnagun said

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I'm reading about Joysticks on Joystiq. How positively meta.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:18PM Cerpin Taxt said

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Is Airi Suzuki your avatar?
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:40PM strommsarnac said

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Left-hand stick FAIL.

Why did these things go lefty? Doesn't make sense and I'm left handed. 90% of people in the world are right handed. You have better hand/eye coordination with your dominant hand. Yet all these controllers are for lefties.

The only reason actual arcade machnes were lefty is that they knew most people playing were righty and they'd not be as accurate so they'd end up losing more often then they'd play more games. Ergo, it was a money making tactic.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:43PM jynxycat said

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... there are so many obvious responses to this.

I just won't make them.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:51PM (Unverified) said

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for instance this response:

So why don't console controllers have right-handed directional analog sticks??
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:09PM (Unverified) said

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But you press buttons with your right; it's ambi-dextrous if anything. Do American cars have the wheel on the left, so there can be more accidents? Do Japanese cars have the shifter on the left, so there can be more transmission damage? It doesn't matter what side it's on; people will always adjust. Maybe they were originally on the left to make people lose more, but now it's become the standard, as anyone who plays games knows you move with your left and press buttons with your right.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 2:12PM DJ Clae said

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I'm sorry you don't like the way EVERYTHING turned out. I thought you guys died out with the last Sega Master System "Control Stick."
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:01PM Credge said

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People tend to ask this question with guitars and the like so here's the answer.

If you are right handed, your right hand is really, really good at doing physical activities. Pressing buttons, strumming/plucking strings, etc. Your left hand, though, is not.

Your right hand is also good at doing finesse things. Aiming/moving a mouse/joystick, throwing a football, etc. Well, it just so happens that your left hand isn't that good at that, generally, but it's better at finesse things than it is physical things.

So, why would you want to use your left hand for a physical activity when it, generally, sucks really really bad at it?
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:47PM Kenoji said

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@ ryanpaul

I can attest to that. In Guitar Hero/Rock Band, I'm really good at strumming and playing frets and chords with my right hand, but I'm okay at doing both with my left hand. I can't hit notes in rapid succession with my left hand and I can't strum rapidly either, so I'm handicapped either way.

I guess I just need to get faster through practice, but it's frustrating at times.

This is also why I could never play arcade games, but I have gotten better with my left hand, though. Not being ambidextrous sucks sometimes.
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Posted: Sep 27th 2009 4:10AM DJ Clae said

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My comment on this one is grayed out too even though I'm agreeing with the rest of you.
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Posted: Sep 29th 2009 12:56AM (Unverified) said

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*cough cough* TURN IT AROUND *cough cough*...Genius!!!
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Posted: Sep 29th 2009 1:00AM (Unverified) said

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And as for the guitar/handed discussion...I am LEFT handed,but was given a right handed guitar as my only option,before i knew how to play... ...now,15yrs later,im still left handed,but could not play a left handed guitar for the life of me,only right...so...everything is never cut and dry ;-)
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 1:46PM Dummy00001 said

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Wanted to ask for some time.

What other games - besides fighting - do support such controllers?

Or they're exclusively for fighting games?

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 3:07PM (Unverified) said

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I used joysticks exclusively for shmups. I suck at fighting games with a stick.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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Pretty much all games that you can control with the D-Pad support an arcade stick. A lot of pre-fab sticks allow you to map the stick to either of the analog sticks now too though. Your ideal game would be one with all digital control and fully customizable button mappings.
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Posted: Sep 26th 2009 4:28PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think I've ever used a standard HRAP. I've never touched one that hasn't been modified. That Taito one looks very nice though, would be perfect for some triple screen Darius (XBLA or PSN please!)

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 6:39PM (Unverified) said

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Arcade sticks are great for shumps, fighting games, and classic arcade games.

Love the viewlex stick even though it's a tad to big.

Posted: Sep 26th 2009 8:36PM brighenne said

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Do want that vewlix stick!

Posted: Sep 27th 2009 1:52AM DJ Clae said

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Never heard of hobbyist gamer syndrome. I live in a family with three brothers where we collect consoles and arcade boards together since very young.

Anyway, it's really a shame to see my comments once again grayed at this site. It speaks very poorly of this community to differentiate sound logic from something they merely don't like to hear.

Posted: Sep 27th 2009 3:39AM (Unverified) said

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Your logic may be "sound," it just doesn't apply to anyone but yourself at this particular moment. People tend to purchase things based on their specific needs. I bought an SFIV TE stick this year and use the hell out of it. I didn't buy two because the people I tend to play with don't care to use a stick. I didn't buy a multi-console adapter (or a stick capable of accepting one) because I don't constantly jump between ten consoles, I have three connected at the moment and I'll probably keep it that way. I also only buy my fighting games on one platform, just as I'm sure the people with a great racing wheel would prefer to buy their racing games on a single platform.

You are an extreme exception. You don't just buy consumer-level products, you pay top dollar for commercial arcade boards. You are a hobbiest, you seek out and embrace the niche... Unfortunately you also lampoon those that do not share the same level of commitment to your hobby, and crossed the barrier into elitist territory (I'd liken it to the Nippon Ichi fangirls that never take a break from ridiculing the FPS player). Just do your thing and let other people do theirs.
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Posted: Sep 27th 2009 4:07AM DJ Clae said

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A lot of assumptions there. I don't pay top-dollar for my arcade boards. I'm a deal hunter. I play old arcade games I buy on ebay. Beyond that, I play the same contemporary consoles and games as you.

The fact is, you own other consoles, and presumably will own other new ones in the future. You'd be able to keep using one stick if you simply bought less expensive adapters than completely new sticks. That applies to everyone. The people buying these new sticks are simply being short-sighted. My solution is more practical.
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