Interview: SCEA's Eric Lempel on PSP minis, scrapped UMD conversion

Joystiq: Are any Sony first-party studios working on PSP minis?
Eric Lempel: Right now, to my knowledge, they're not. That could change, again, but right now, I don't believe any of the studios are working on minis.
What determines the pricing of PSP minis?
There are a couple of rules, or maybe there's just one rule. They have to come in at $9.99 or under.
If someone wanted to release at $1.99, they could?
Yes, absolutely.
As a consumer, I don't see the value of buying minis, especially when they come with fewer features than regular PSN games and cost about the same. That's not really a question ...
There are a few differences between the minis and other games. First off, you're not allowed to use online functionality or any of the online services in a mini, so that's one piece right there that might discourage people from doing it. The other part is minis go through a different process to get to the Store, and it's an easier process. The whole goal with this is to make it easy for a lot of, in some cases, less experienced developers, or in other cases just developers who don't want to go through the whole evaluation process to get their stuff on the Store. It all came out of reducing the development tool costs earlier this year, and getting a lot of these new people on board to develop this content for PSP. So, people have the choice of what route they want to take, depending on what they want their content to be, ultimately. As far as pricing goes, the publisher of the title sets the pricing. So, they give us the price and then we have a standard markup.
It really comes down to how those developers want to price their content, and how they want to compete. Sitting here from the PlayStation Network and PlayStation Store perspective, it's really on them to get on and compete and do what they can to get their titles sell and make them successful. I think they have to carefully look at that, carefully price their content. Minis was intended to be something a little different and we wanted to see a lot of different types of content through minis. If it's not priced correctly, consumers may be turned off at the proposition and say, "I'd rather just go for this kind of stuff instead of minis."

"We've seen, basically, our largest number of downloads ever for a week's time period." |
It's been tremendously busy on the storefront. We've seen, basically, our largest number of downloads ever for a week's time period. It was our second highest week of revenue in the history of PlayStation Network, so we're seeing a huge lift of PSone classics just because we put out a ton of new ones last week. So overall, all of it is really exciting.
Do you see the minis program expanding to the PS3?
It's possible, but we haven't opened up the minis program to PS3 developers, or PS3 development at all. But I wouldn't rule it out. We always look at our models and minis is a pretty good experiment for us and we're kind of seeing how this goes. Depending on how this goes, we may change the program significantly.
Mac users still can't use the PSP MediaGo program to access the PlayStation Store. When can we expect Sony to offer Mac support?
That's also something we're looking into. We've done several enhancements to MediaGo. We're looking at getting the right resources in place to open that to the Mac audience, because we do know that it's a significant part of the user base, or the future user base, for that matter.

Why were plans for UMD conversion scrapped?
It's a combination of what's technically possible, but a bigger part of that is the rights to the content that's been available. PSP has been out for many years now. There weren't digital rights secured for all of this stuff, at no cost. So, there's lots of legal issues we'd have to get through to get a lot of content cleared. And also, we'd have to protect that content. So, with a good technical process so you can't pass around the UMD or do something else with it. So, it's a combination of things. It's something we'll continue to look at, but for the time being, it's just where it is.
Any plans to implement a loyalty program, similar to what Europe launched, for PSP owners that "upgraded" to the Go?
No program today. We always do other types of programs. And we've got lots of efforts underway. On the loyalty side, we do lots of things for our loyal users. At this time, it just happens Europe went out with a promotion, we didn't. Similar to when we launched PS3, we went out with a promotion, we had a BD in the box ... and other regions don't. It just really comes down to that was kind of something they did right now, that was their SKU plan, and wasn't part of our plan.







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Reader Comments (Page 1 of 2)
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 5:25PM
So it was what everyone thought. Sony didn't want people buying used UMD's, downloading the game, and reselling it. You can't really blame them.
Lambrick @ Oct 8th 2009 5:33PM
upvoting for common sense.
Rocks @ Oct 8th 2009 5:36PM
Well, considering how bad piracy has plagued the PSP since the beginning, it's very understandable.
There's lots of people harping on the digital download service, but I see it in another light i guess... if software publishers know that Sony is taking steps in combatting piracy on the PSP, it may lead to more developers/publishers bringing their games to the system.
I haven't really chimed in much about the PSPGo, mainly because I'm one of the few around that seem to really really want one, even after checking on the PSN, i didn't find the prices unreasonable (and i'm pretty cheap) as others have suggested. The idea of not carrying around UMDs and having a portable Skype phone really help drive the point home for me.
Anyways, nice little interview, I'm actually thinking of developing a couple minis in the future, if me any my partner in crime ever get anything done...
cannon fodder @ Oct 8th 2009 5:51PM
Mr Eric Lempel, why have you blocked honest customers from reselling their psp go games, blocked people from selling their psp go's with games installed, trading their games with friends, lending their games to friends or even giving their games away for free?
"well its like this, you all have to purchase new titles only, as sony are sick of you freetards lending games to your friends, and selling them for as little as $5 which we dont even make a cent from!" Eric Lempel
so what you re saying Mr Lempel is that sony want to force everyone to bend over lube up & take a big one up the arse because now they dont own their games?
"thats correct, now turn around" Eric Lempel
Nobledevil @ Oct 8th 2009 5:52PM
@ Dr. Bradwart
This is why I kind of thought the only thing they could do was have people send in UMDs and they'd issue a code allowing you do do a mass download for everything you sent or individual codes (one for each game).
The logistics and contract issues would be so massive for any program that I was only hopeful for a program and entirely unsurprised when nothing happened.
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 5:54PM
@cannon fodder
Good thing they forced you to buy a Go, right?
*headdesk*
Buy a 3000 if you want to do that.
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 5:56PM
I'm pretty sure I mentioned this from a while back.
Cody @ Oct 8th 2009 6:05PM
It seems like there would be a method that would allow the download of the digital game but in the process, "lock" the actual disk. That way, the disk is useless as long as the digital copy exists. Anybody believe that this would work?
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 6:10PM
Found it:
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/25/sony-america-scraps-umd-to-psp-go-conversion-plans/comments/21892870/
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/09/25/sony-america-scraps-umd-to-psp-go-conversion-plans/comments/21897980/
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 6:11PM
It could have worked, but they probably didn't plan on it. And you could still buy a copy at Gamestop, even if it only worked one time.
sonicspike41 @ Oct 8th 2009 6:13PM
@Cody
That still doesn't cover all the legal issues with digital downloads, transferring the license/rights of the content, etc. Secondly, that makes the disc obsolete when it could otherwise be resold.
They should have an "upgrade" promotion of sorts, one where you pay a small fee for the re-licensing of the content. Much like they did for importing songs from RB1 into RB2. This extra fee would help cover the legal fees at least somewhat.
The only problem comes when someone gives the game to a friend for free and then lets them upgrade (since I imagine them making it so the disc must be in the system to qualify for cheaper download).
Perhaps they could require the games serial number or something similar?
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 6:13PM
@Cody:
Every UMD game has a general game ID that only refers to the game. I am not aware of a serial number imprinting on the UMD itself that refers to its production number. This is one reason why UMD conversion is going to take a while to sort out.
zenaxe @ Oct 8th 2009 6:19PM
I think people are MORE likely to turn to piracy as a result of there being no option to digitally rip their UMDs. Instead of some casual users passing a UMD around to one or two others, however since the UMDs are completely locked down, the user is going to go to the net and get involved in the massive, networked style piracy and then they're lost forever.
CDs are the same way. You could rip bought CDs, make mix discs for friends etc all day long before peer 2 peer and the music industry was healthy. Piracy was nowhere near the problem it became until .people started doing it across the net it almost killed music all together until someone got on there and gave the user an acceptable convenience versus usability versus price trade off (i.e. $0.99 iTunes).
The first thing I do when I buy a new game is Rip ir. Not for piracy but for two purposes: 1. backup 2. put it on memstick so I don't have to carry them with the unit. If the PSP had been digital only all along this might not have been as much an issue but I can't go digital without ripping, I have over 40 UMDs!.
The piracy and used games markets are complicated. Everyone likes to pretend its cut and dried and any piracy at all is just bad bad bad but really used game sales help fuel many new game sales and local piracy does too (say a three PSP household buying three different games instead of three of one game).
Companies like Sony are so used to being ultra-aggressive in enforcement and think that even the slightest *opening* for piracy is unacceptable even if it diminishes the user experience (via legitimate capabilities that have alternate use) or decreases convenience/choice for the consumer (the PSN lockdown, etc) and it becomes counterproductive, look at companies like Apple et al who are more enlightened and fairing much better in the markets Sony used to dominate. Walkman, anyone? :)
Heyyou27 @ Oct 8th 2009 6:24PM
@ Cody
No, as we're talking about non-rewritable optical media. Maybe if they offered a machine that would destroy the original UMD after giving out a PSN redeemable code, but there is no way for Sony to simply "deactivate" an optical disc temporarily.
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 6:24PM
Piracy is bad in any form, really. Backups, not so much. I would imagine that's why Sony worked really hard on the Go to make piracy less likely. You can't blame Sony for their anti-piracy position, as piracy was the key reason Sega never turned a profit with the Dreamcast.
sonicspike41 @ Oct 8th 2009 6:25PM
"Fact: PS3 fanboys"
"Editor's Note: ...we also publish opinions/editorials from our community"
Yeah, that's a real great story you managed to dig up. If there was a miniature version of the Picard ascii I'd be using it right now.
sonicspike41 @ Oct 8th 2009 6:26PM
FUCK ME! Wrong reply link!
James @ Oct 8th 2009 6:37PM
I think the issue is that people are confusing the Go's purpose.. it's not really there for PSP users to upgrade, it's for new PSP users. Sure Sony could take a risk face potential lawsuits and do some kind of send in UMD service but for what?
The original PSPs pretty much do everything the Go does. Sony should be thanked for not pulling a Nintendo and only offering some services on the Go.
Kodros @ Oct 8th 2009 6:49PM
cannon fodder & rogXue - You are both fucking idiots.
Josh @ Oct 8th 2009 6:50PM
So... you say digital distribution on the PSP would mitigate piracy... So I'm wondering, have PSN downloaded games really not been cracked yet?
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 7:26PM
@Josh:
PSN games for the PSP have been cracked. But the effort needed in order to get the games to work involves a great deal of hassle that it's not worth the effort of pirating it. I could elaborate more, but I'm not at liberty to discuss it.
hfm @ Oct 8th 2009 7:42PM
I think the thing they are worried about the most is people RENTING the UMD's to get games.. I don't think passing them around or buying them used is the biggest threat..
Probably what sony could do is you can mail your UMD game to them and get a voucher code to purchase it on PSN for free, or some seriously reduced price. I mean that would expose the used UMD market, but also potentially stop people from turning them in to gamestop in the first place.
Personally I never buy used games anymore, I don't like that the developers don't see a dime. I'd rather support the devs that are making games I love by paying a whole $5 more..
Balloonfighter99 @ Oct 8th 2009 7:58PM
My question is: can you register games like you can with Nintendo? That would seem like an easy way to determine who bought a game and who didn't. Then you simply reference the registration and if the game is available to download in the store ,download it. No umd conversion , no sending in games.
quazarblack @ Oct 9th 2009 12:05AM
i buy used games from places like gamestop but i refuse to sell my $30 game and only get $5 trade in not cash thats even less, and watch put the game i just got $5 for on the shelf for $25. that hurts. and what hurts more is buying a game that i cant sell, trade, or give away if i find that i don't like it after a few days.
SolidSnakeX @ Oct 9th 2009 3:02AM
There stupid just like ass hole Eric Lempel the most idiot on our planet Eric Peewee Herman!! LMAO!! I don't like him and I don't trust him because I can't count as to how many times he lied about the updates we got for PS3-etc..-So all I can say to this guy is SYSPH!
rogXue @ Oct 8th 2009 5:31PM
What a dick.... I can't wait for this project to fail. If you are trying to change the game do it with a new platform... Not a long existing one.
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 5:34PM
Jeez, will the Sony hate ever stop? Again, the Go is an OPTION for you to buy. I don't have a PSP, but if I was looking for one the Go would be my first choice. If you don't like it, either buy a 3000 or keep the one you have.
calgaryalta @ Oct 8th 2009 5:38PM
Yes, the I don't want it and I also don't want you to have it is really immature. The choice is yours not to participate.
rogXue @ Oct 8th 2009 5:39PM
I don't even have a PSP anymore. Owned 2 and bought way too few games for it so I would sell it. FF7 CC came out and picked up a 2000 finished it and wasn't compelled to buy a new one. The go is just pissing in the face of the average consumer and the true followers. High price along with less features, a non replaceable battery. Vote me down but in the end this will fail. This is coming from someone who bought a 60 gig PS3 and love it.
PR0F3TA (PSN - PROPHETA) @ Oct 8th 2009 5:40PM
oh god, yes may the PSP fail so we can all say "I told you so" to sony because watching a company going down in flames would most certainly give people like you a huge boner.
Space @ Oct 8th 2009 5:41PM
ARRRGH!!!! DON'T YOU HATE OPTIONS????!!!!
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 5:42PM
The Go is no more expensive than the PSP-1000 was at launch. Non-user replaceable batteries are nothing new. I bet you're rocking an iPod or equivalent right now.
Just because you couldn't find a lot of games doesn't mean the platform sucks. I don't find a lot of appealing titles on the DS, but I like the system and buy the occasional title I want.
rogXue @ Oct 8th 2009 6:00PM
Here's a lil link for those voting me down
http://www.destructoid.com/fact-ps3-fanboys-are-the-worst-149259.phtml
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 6:10PM
Your link is stupid. If Sony owners are pissed, its because they've gotten the short end of the stick since 2006. Please stop trolling.
Ashitaka @ Oct 8th 2009 6:10PM
Don't post more links of biased 360 propaganda. Oh, forget it, scrap that. Just don't post anymore. STFU & GTFO
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 6:26PM
I've read the Destructoid article and my personal impression is that Jim deliberately makes himself an asshole.
The Sony Defense Force is pretty stupid but they're nowhere near as rude as your MS fanboys crashing other people's launch parties, at least not that I know of.
If you're just hating something because of what a small group of people do, then you're probably barking up the wrong tree.
I can understand perfectly well, the rationale behind disliking the Republican Party for what they've become (their leadership hopes that Obama will fail... while we're still in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression).
What you are describing is similar to what a lot of people don't like about Xbox Live: the bratty, foul-mouthed 12 year-olds that have to be voice-banned or muted. It's mostly why people prefer to have matchmaking and go online with people they trust.
Assholes will always be a part of any society. The ones you should be pissed at are those who have the power to deliberately f- things up like Kotick or Langdell (I'd mention Thompson but he's already lost his attorney license).
PR0F3TA (PSN - PROPHETA) @ Oct 8th 2009 5:36PM
i want a PSPgo, and this loan refund i got back from my school is way more then enough to buy one. The only thing holding me back is that it'll suffer from the "Mac Syndrome" i pay 250 now, a half a year later its 200 and by next holiday season is 200 + Bundled games.
If i held out on a iPod Touch, i can do the same for this
Dr. Bradwart @ Oct 8th 2009 5:39PM
In a way, I regret being an iPod Touch early adopter. Yeah, it was nice having it from near-launch, but Apple pretty much killed support for it after the second gen Touch came out. I wouldn't blame you for waiting.
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 6:32PM
I've generally picked up my consoles during their 2nd iteration/generation, mostly to build up a library to play with once I do get my console. My PSP Slim, DS Lite, and PS3 80GB software BC is ample proof of this.
And yeah, this is pretty much how my family has been buying computers... by going after the slightly less than cutting-edge PC that's available on Fry's/BestBuy's display.
Boostjunkie @ Oct 8th 2009 5:36PM
I love the Go for the most part. I've already spent a ton on the store downloading games. I have a feeling most people will buy a lot more this way then having to go to the store and purchase a physical product. You think a lot harder about it then. I love being able to carry a ton of games around in a tiny package. That is why I never liked the old PSP, it was too big and too hard to carry any games. This one actually fits in my pocket and it has a great screen. I would almost pay more for download games just so I don't have to carry a disc.
Rocks @ Oct 8th 2009 5:38PM
like with all gadgets, I ALWAYS wait for an appealing bundle at a reduced price...
come on Peace Walker Go bundle....
Rocks @ Oct 8th 2009 5:42PM
meant to reply to PR0F3TA (PSN - PROPHETA) up there...
silly comment system... blah blah blah.
Martin @ Oct 8th 2009 5:39PM
His tone, as transcribed, seems so stoic and distant. They still haven't said anything that makes me think I need to upgrade from my PSP-1000. Really, the more they say about it the more I feel that it would not be a good investment, either for retailers or consumers.
Andrew Yoon @ Oct 8th 2009 5:42PM
I think Sony should be commended in maintaining the PSP-1000 as a viable platform for so long. Sure, you can upgrade, but right now the 1000 can still play all PSP games and PSP minis and PSN games.
Space @ Oct 8th 2009 5:44PM
They are not trying to sway you. They already have your money.
Xist27 @ Oct 8th 2009 5:42PM
So in other words - Minis are worthless... Even Eric Lempel says it...
"Minis was intended to be something a little different and we wanted to see a lot of different types of content through minis. If it's not priced correctly, consumers may be turned off at the proposition and say, "I'd rather just go for this kind of stuff instead of minis."
I for one do not believe the Minis are priced correctly - I choose to look for other stuff instead of Minis...
mahouneko @ Oct 8th 2009 6:35PM
Blame the price on the publisher. It's up there in the interview.
Martin @ Oct 8th 2009 5:45PM
@Andrew Yoon: I agree entirely. I've been very happy with my PSP-1000 and impressed with their support for it. If there is one thing Sony does well, it is supporting the longevity of their systems.
@Space: They're trying to sway those in the UK. Most companies aren't happy with your money only once if they have a chance to get it more than that.
Space @ Oct 8th 2009 5:52PM
I just don't understand why people that were perfectly happy with a 1000 two weeks ago are up in arms about the release of the GO. It is an additional option. Just keep your system. Sony is still supporting it, more than ever before actually.
Chris D.(PSN: Aggie_CEO | XBL:The Aggie CEO | Steam: Aggie_CEO @ Oct 8th 2009 5:48PM
People are still not going to understand WHY they can't just do the UMD conversion and continue to think Sony is trying to shit them on that, when its really just common sense...
I'm still most likely going to just keep playing my PSP-3000 until the PSP2 comes out.....