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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:41AM RyanS said

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Im a little confused.

First they dont want people to use the term 'gay' as an adjective.

Then they segregate themselves (repeatedly in the article) by calling themselves 'gaymers'.

Wtf?

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:52AM copa said

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"First they dont want people to use the term 'gay' as an adjective."

You don't have any idea what you are talking about. Gay people use gay as an adjective all of the time. If you look at the image above, it appears that the survey author prominently uses gay as an adjective.

Now some gay people get a little offended when gay is redefined as an adjective to mean "fuckface loser." And I can kind of understand why.
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:54AM Assmar said

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Not gay as an adjective Ryan, gay in the pejorative is offensive. Saying "you're so gay" is pretty insulting. It's like using the n...a word (for the most part), it's all about context and usage, not newspeak.
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:56AM adamhalliwell said

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It's apples and oranges. We don't want gay/homosexual to mean "stupid". We aren't segregating ourselves by saying gaymer. It's a word we use to get visibility so that our voices and opinions matter. If we're not seen, then people don't know that we exist.
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Posted: Oct 9th 2009 10:20AM PedoJokerBear said

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cot damn you ryan seacrest.

*Shakes fist*
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:15AM karmaghost said

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I'm glad they defined "homosexual content" in the survey, because I don't want to see homosexual OR heterosexual sex in games. Mass Effect did it pretty tastefully, but I think that's unusual.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:16AM Nier said

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This survey made me feel like such a queen. It's not my fault I want my avatar to look fabulously sexy!

Also, what homosexual content was there in Fallout 3? Did I miss something?

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:19AM (Unverified) said

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"none of the questions seemed offensive to us"

Apparently, Joystiq holds low value on the English language. I tried taking this survey a few months ago, and my head nearly exploded trying to figure out how a supposedly educated man could bastardize the simplest of phrases.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:23AM Assmar said

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"Apparently, Joystiq holds low value on the English language."

FAIL!
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:18AM Shagittarius said

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Really badly put together survey, Other options are not selectable you have to put in a choice as well as fill out the other option. When asked to rank something in order of most favorite to least favorite on a scale of 1 - 10 they don't even tell you which is the order of importance.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:25AM karmaghost said

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No survey is perfect, but having created a fair amount of research surveys as an undergrad and grad student, there are some things I would have done differently.

For example, in question #29 "On average, how important are each of the following to you?" there is an option for "Homosexual Content," but no "Heterosexual Content" option. It's hard to interpret someone's answer to the "homosexual" option without a "heterosexual" option to compare it to. If homosexual content is "not important at all" to someone, it could be because that person hates homosexuals or it could be because they see sexual content in general as unimportant.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:35AM ZenithProsperity said

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I would just like games like Harvest Moon and Rune Factory where I could fall in love with a guy instead of a girl. In no way does it have to be sexual, just true romantic love ^_^.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 11:51AM FluffnNonsense said

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As a Harvest Moon fan, it's always bugged me that you don't get any same-gender choices. I know the game is for kids, and I understand, but maybe my farmer wants to spent his life with another male farmer, what's so wrong with that?

It really bugs me when you look at the Japanese versions of the game, where while playing as a girl you generally get at least one lesbian love choice.
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 12:44PM John Z said

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I was under the impression that at least one of the earlier female-protagonist Harvest Moon games (maybe the one on the Gamecube?) had the option to participate in a "friendship ceremony" with one of the (several) female love interests, which basically boiled down to marriage in name only. I haven't had time to go through this myself (way too many other games to play through first) but that's what I heard, at any rate. (Of course I also heard that some of them were inaccessible in the NA versions due to bugs, not malicious censorship, so take that as you will.)

I agree, though, that a romantic same-gender relationship would be a good touch in a game, whether it goes to the level of physical intimacy or not.
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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 1:04PM Puertoricarious said

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online survey = completely unrepresentative sample = no semblance of truth whatosever = forehead palm slap

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 1:46PM jtsuth said

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The only problem I have with this entire gay gamer vs. straight gamer conversation is the fact that the word GAMER is being turned into something that it never meant in the first place. Placing a sexual preference into the meaning of such a specific term isn't the right way to become recognized. My sexual orientation as a gamer has nothing to do with me having a huge passion for playing video games nor should it. If the term GAYMER is used and becomes popular, then straight GAMERS won't be able to use that term anymore as they both SOUND the same even if they are spelled different. The entire reason GAMERS get along with other GAMERS is because of the common interests we have in playing video games and that has NOTHING to do with me or anyone else wanting sexual relations with the same sex or otherwise. There are clans we can join to target something so specific as our sexual preference. Straight or not, as a GAMER and not a GAYMER, I feel insulted by the bastardization of the word.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 3:18PM CrissCross87 said

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As a homosexual gamer, I agree, gaymer is a terrible way to describe something. Although yea I think games that have relationship choices should allow same-sex choices, it doesn't bother me when they are not there. I only ask that its done tastefully when its done... But heh, what an even bigger twist it would be that during the end if at the end of the next Metroid game Samus turned out to be a lesbian lol

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Posted: Oct 8th 2009 2:05PM Erron Kelly said

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Why does the picture for the post have a choice for 'Asexual', but the choice is absent in the actual survey?

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 6:46PM (Unverified) said

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Calling the survey of "gaymers" is just as bad as the segregation of "girl gamers". Can't we all just be gamers, that all happen to be different people with different characteristics? One person might be black, gay, or twelve feet tall, and they can all be gamers.

While we technically have black actors or gay actors, and for some reason separate award ceremonies for each, all it does is pronounce differences even more, when they're just all actors.

At the end of the day, we'll always have every ethnicity and whatever of actor, and they're all equally eligible for the industry-wide awards, and all gamers are equally eligible to...I dunno, suck?

Then again, people can do what they want. If people want to purposefully segment themselves from the rest of their group, let them. I understand the need to show pride at being different and a part of a different group, ie: gamers still being people. So have your gay awards/surveys! Celebrate the differences, etc.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:43PM (Unverified) said

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I would generally take the time to write a well-thought out reply to this troll but I'll spare myself the use of braincells and just reply: you're a jackass.

Posted: Oct 8th 2009 10:44PM (Unverified) said

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Intended for solaranox above, though the comment lovingly detached itself from his.
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Posted: Oct 10th 2009 9:05PM (Unverified) said

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THANK YOU Joystiq! I applaude your courage to run stories like this on your gaming blog. Being Gay, I appreciate it when I see sites recognize the plight that we go through! Your bravery in posting stories like this, and the one a few weeks ago by Xav, that highlight the Gay-Lesbian-Bi community is commedndable.

I follow both Xav and Alexander here and on Twitter. It is easy to recognize their feelings about us as a community, and it is with heart-felt praise that I have for them and joystiq for bringing these issues to the forfront on this gaming site.

Please continue the fight for us and don't let the negativity that you sometimes see in these comments stop you from posting stories like this.

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