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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:33PM Nadril said

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Except it was Ryan Davis who reviewed the game, Jenks.

The Giant Bomb review and the Joystiq review both seemed to hit on the same marks. If I were to get a star value to the Joystiq review based off of what they thought I would say it'd probably be in the neighborhood of 3/5.

Metacritic is a great tool but people have to understand it isn't an end-all means. I'd rather people just stick with a review site whom they tend to sort of agree on and go from that. I generally tend to agree with Giant Bomb's reviews and between it and Joystiq it was fairly clear I was just going to wait and rent Brutal Legend instead of spend the $60.

I think if most people actually read the review instead of just look at the score they would understand a lot more. However we live in a world where anything that isn't 5 stars is just "god-awful".
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:34PM Peter Moore said

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Jenks, I wish you were next to me, because I would hurt you.

I would hurt you bad.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:46PM (Unverified) said

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Wait, so WiiSports Resort is 2 stars better than Brutal Legend? Hmmm, I've played each one and only BL blew me away. This is strange as Giant Bomb is usually on point.

Perhaps Ryan Davis was just bitter than he never made it as a rockstar and took his aggression out on Ozzy. Or maybe he's just wrong. Grrrr!!!
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:47PM XaiaX said

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Damn r-word dot org'ed comment system.

3 stars is not a bad review, at all. 3 of 5 should not be translated to 60/100. That's just lazy translation on the part of the person doing the conversion. If it were a letter grade, that'd be a D minus, which means you'd be reserving 2 whole stars for different levels of failure. Unless you can demonstrate that all the review sites you're comparing it to use *50* as the average score, *which they don't*, then making 3 stars into 60 is just broken.

Seriously, find me any review system ever used anywhere where 3 stars was "bad".

It'd be like converting a 1up "C" into a 50, because it's "average" between 0 and 100.

Stop it.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 7:54PM Urmomlikesme said

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Play the demo.......


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.meh...

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:01PM (Unverified) said

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Here's the thing, reviews are not just "opinions". Real professional reviewers don't just say whatever they feel like, they go through all of the details of a game on a fact by fact basis and try to make objective statements. Whether they personally like a game should have very little to do with the score.

Try going back to school and convincing all your teachers that their grades for your papers were all just "opinions" and see how far that gets you.

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:34PM Vegeta has a ps3 said

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"Try going back to school and convincing all your teachers that their grades for your papers were all just "opinions" and see how far that gets you."

Did...did you just try and compare video game reviews to homework?

Let me explain why you're wrong.

Do you understand why reviews are usually found in the editorial section of a newspaper or internet site? It's because the entire point of that section is to feature articles that are based on the editor's opinion. video game reviews are no different. There is no such thing as a review that is completely objective because people have different standards when it comes to anything in the entertainment world. Video games/movies/music/books are not like a math problem where there's only one way at looking at things, whether you like it or not people will have different opinions on what makes a good video game.

Besides, it's absolutely absurd to claim that a reviewer should not put his/her personal opinion in a review (even though that's the entire point). A reviewers job is to inform the people on whether they should spend their hard earned cash on a product. If you were in the shoes of whoever was writing that article would you be alright with giving a game a 4/5 or a 90% even though you felt the game was broken, or that certain aspects of the gameplay didn't work?
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:38PM XaiaX said

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3 of 5 is not bad. 3 of 5 stars is "good" in any review system. It's just not "excellent". Converting 3 of 5 stars to "60" is dumb. If you take the end points as 0 and 100, respectively, then 3 would get you 50, as being in the dead center. That's a different dumb way to look at it. Think about this, if you convert 3 stars of 5 into "60", that means that 1 star is 20. So your entire range is 20-100. You've left out an entire fifth of your supposed range, so your score is actually 20-100, which normalizes a 60 to 48. Further, that necessitates that 5 stars is a zero width "100" So each other range covers 20 points, but 5 only covers 1.

It's just *dumb* to equate a star system to an equidistant numerical range. 3 stars should be 'average', so if you want to assume that letter grades correspond mathematically and that "C" is average, a 3 star review should be *75*, not *60*. 60 is a *D*.

This is all nonsense, anyway, since sites don't use the same scales, anyway.

At any rate, a star scale is more logarithmic than linear. Successive differences from 3 should be treated as larger gaps. 3 is average, 2 is poor, 1 is terrible, 4 is very good, 5 is outstanding.

In no reasonable system of approximation is a 3 star review the same as a D.

STOP

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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 9:41PM Jack Tretton said

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"Real professional reviewers don't just say whatever they feel like..."

Point me in the direction of the work of a real professional video game reviewer, would ya? It'd be a refreshing change from the too-clever-by-half "writers" posing as video game bloggers.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 9:47PM Obienator said

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Steve you fail at life.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:02PM CJLopez said

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*on hold till it hits the discount bin*

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:06PM zerokku said

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While on one hand the game is flawed and not perfect, on the other hand, I can't think of a game I've enjoyed more in a long time.

Was worth the $60 to me, and I rarely buy games new and/or at release.

And for all it's gameplay faults, you can literally melt faces with your guitar. That is fucking metal.

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:11PM Mr Khan said

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How well did Psychonauts get received, just for comparison?

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:16PM KungFuChaosNinja said

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The lowest score for Psychonauts was 70%.

The average for the Xbox version is 88%.
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Posted: Oct 15th 2009 12:41AM OnToGloryReturns said

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I myself never quite understood the Psychonauts love. It's got beautiful art direction and has very clever/witty writing. The gameplay has good variety but the gameplay itself I never found very good. Very floaty control, mediocre collision detection etc.

It wasn't a bad game by any means but at some point it attained some classic status I've never understood. I'm all for great writing and art design but at the end of the day the gameplay has got to be there.

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Posted: Oct 15th 2009 9:11AM samfish said

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The sub-par gameplay in Pyschonauts is what killed the game for me. I like to have a good story in a game, but if the gameplay is miserable or unpolished I'm not going to stick around to find out what the story is about.

I played the Brutal Legend demo the other night and really liked it, though. Except for the gimped steering on the car. I don't know why the hell anyone thought it was a smart idea to purposefully strangle the controls like that.
I'm still a bit hesitant because it supposedly turns into a full out RTS as you progress (which I find boring), but if the store I was at yesterday had it, I'd have probably picked it up instead of Dead Space Extraction.
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Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:45PM CaramelZappa said

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Of course we have to complain about 5 stars vs. 100 point scales every time a metareview is posted.

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 8:50PM Avolii said

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I got the demo on PS3, and couldn't help but think the audo sounded like crap. That get fixed or did I HAVE to adjust something in the options?

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 9:29PM JuanLovesHorror said

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I think Tim Schafer would have been better off making Brutal Legend into a cgi movie.

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 10:30PM jynxycat said

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The first step is acceptance!

Posted: Oct 14th 2009 11:45PM mac4687 said

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I've almost finished the game (at the last battle) and I do agree with a lot of the negatives that reviewers are saying. I didn't know that BL would be heavily focused on RTS. I thought there would be a better balance, especially since the last battle is a bitch for me (I do suck at everything RTS related).

However, I do love the story, humor, characters, dialog, voice acting, soundtrack (to an extent). I really love the use of Lemmy, Ozzy, Rob Halford, and Tim Curry is awesome. I also love the huge set pieces (only a few but still great).

It's hard for me to recommend this to people that are not fans of metal and/or fans of RTS. I think if you want to enjoy a good story with great characters, humor and soundtrack, then it is definitely a rental.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 2:05AM LuTon James said

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Giant Bomb came closest, but they still didn't get it right. I'm laughing at how everyone here (you know who you are) was saying this could be a dark horse for goty, while I've been calling it like I see it the whole way. Look at the metascore, that isn't even AAA, let alone a goty contender!

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 2:38AM Courtney said

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I'm think that a lot of the reviewers rushed through this rather than relaxing and enjoying it. I pretty much disregarded the Joystiq review after Randy said he only played it for six hours. Sure, it can be beat in that amount of time, but I've played for about that long now and I have only just fought my first RTS battle. There are a lot of little moments that would be easy to miss that bring a smile to your face (like finding a headbanger drunk and puking, asking if he's okay, and he asks if you have a breathmint).

There are no doubts this isn't a perfect game. But it is a bloody amazing game. Every time I hop in the Deuce and the music starts up, I just want to gun it and run somebody over, like now.

Usually I avoid buying a game on release day, as I've been too disappointed too many times. I'm completely satisfied with Brutal Legend though.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 5:13AM juggalotusmx said

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What is giant bomb and game life?? first time ive heard of it.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 8:24AM (Unverified) said

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review scores suck, the best way to know if you're going to like a game is to play it. If you're interested in a game dont let a reviewer's score keep you from playing it, if you cant buy it rent it.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 10:14AM ScottG13 said

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I do really like the game. But I would have preferred more focus on 3rd person action/adventuring and no RTS.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 10:45AM (Unverified) said

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Having played it for about 7 hours so far, I'm having a blast. At first I was concerned about the wave of anti-hype. Yes side quests are lame. RTS parts are fucking epic as hell, but I guess repetitive (if awesome can get repetitive). The story, characters, and world are pure Shafer. While he took a risk not just cloning Tomb Raider, he succeeded in crafting another unique world. Its definitely a game I want to show off to friends.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 10:44AM abelpc said

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I am enjoying the game.. being a Metalhead I really am enjoying the storyline, soundtrack and the creative environment.

the gameplay isn't bad, but I think it could have been better.. Still fun game though.

Posted: Oct 15th 2009 11:18AM edgore said

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So far it's pretty much what I was expecting, and I am enjoying it.

Based on the earlier previews I was actually expecting a stronger RTS element, since everyone was talking about leading giant armies of headbangers and stuff. If anything that has been the only thing that has been super-disappointing...the big battles so far seem more like skirmishes than huge heavy metal album cover battles. That might change though, since I still have not seen all of it. I doubt it though - the RTS controls are not up to big battles, I think.

The "Eddie on the ground" action missions are fun, but there are not enough significant ones. The side misions are disappointing, since they are pretty repetitive. I did love the K.G. cameo though - worked in the game and for his character.

Over all I am having a lot of fun with it, but like others have said it's largely because of the setting and the writing. I don't really like heavy metal and the setting is still funny, entertaining and awesome. There are lot's of little gameplay issues (te damn car's handling, for example) that prevent it from being a great game, but it's still a very good one.

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