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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 10:14PM Erdie said

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Haha, I needed an extra controller for LBP one night. I plugged in my USB logitech controller I use for my PC. It freaking worked.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2009 12:33AM (Unverified) said

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Actually the Mac can stream video from the 360 using Vuze. Works like a charm!
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 12:12PM (Unverified) said

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This is pretty dirty. Maybe it is time for another player in the market other than the big three, somebody who actually knows how to keep their customers happy. I guess their motto is "Sick it to the man".

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 12:50PM x SpartaElite x said

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I honestly had no idea there were third-party memory units for the 360 until I heard this. Well, it won't affect me.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 1:08PM n1ner6er said

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So Microsoft is using a software update to enforce a monopoly on memory peripherals. Sounds like a lawsuit to me.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 1:16PM (Unverified) said

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inorder to boost their marketplace sales is to have MORE SPACE


FUCK YOU MICROSOFT

I going to sale my shit and buy a PS3

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 9:44PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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@WINterfang

It's the principal of the matter. Are you that thick?
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 2:11PM (Unverified) said

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First of all guys i don't use memory cards so why should that affect me although i do agree with the lowering the price of bigger hard drives i want the 120g but the cost is a lil too steep for my blood,you would think microsoft would want to keep the consumers of there products happy but everyone knows that won't happen.....maybe when Sony makes a big move like that,after all they do like to copy each other just look at the price drop.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 5:39PM (Unverified) said

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This has nothing to do with corporate greed, or a desire to sell 1st-party accessories.

Microsoft has a vested interest in ensuring that there is no game save hacking or manipulation going on within the Xbox Live service. After all, it really trivializes the work a legit user did in getting their gamerscore, when a hacker/cheater is able to get the same score with very little effort.

Locking out unauthorized storage devices is a way of ensuring this doesn't happen. Since most of these storage devices are built on an open architecture, this means the data can be accessed and manipulated through a PC. It is in MS's best interest (as well as the overwhelming majority of gamers who play by the rules) for MS to take active steps to limit/eliminate the ability of gamers to access Xbox data from any device other than an Xbox.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 9:47PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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People can do that with authorized memory cards. Thats a cop out of an answer.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 4:32PM horngreen said

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Sure it's crappy but at least they told us before it just happened. I guess this would be the silver lining?

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 5:23PM Cafecito said

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As someone before said, I didn't even know they existed. I just use mi HDD.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 6:13PM (Unverified) said

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Ok, is this a new trend among first party companies now? To block out competing third party companies within their consoles' ecosystems? First Sony makes the PSPGo, download only, effectively doing away with GAME retailers (B&M and online) in the future if they plan on moving completely to DLC format with a future "PSP 2 Go" and making Sony the only outlet for the games. Now Microsoft disables third party, totally legit, ways of saving gamesaves in a questionable effort to "thwart piracy" (which seems to be the fallback excuse they use these days).

Hypothesizing where this trend is going, I suppose the ideal of these companies is to keep everything close to their chests, keeping everything under their own control (all for profit reasons of course, in this day and age greed is not only good it is the only option and it should be ruthless). I'd imagine revoking licenses for third parties to make their own accessories for the systems is probably not out of the question if they don't mind pissing off a bunch of 'em. Weathering that storm they go ahead and sell their own first party devices without competition. That or buy them up. The ultimate ideal would be to buy up third parties or their properties so in the end there is only the one company selling the system, games and accessories. Undoing what was thought to be a good thing in the past in the days of Atari and NES. Letting third parties create their own games or accessories and giving the first parties a little chunk of change as per the license.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 9:49PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Sony didn't deactivate all the PSPs that use UMD when they released the GO though. Also, they allow retailers (brick and mortar and online) to sell vouchers for the downloadable games as well as all the accessories for the new system.

The reason the GO is so expensive is because they gave retail a nice markup and thats the same reason they went with all new GO periphreals ... so that consumers bought them in the sotres.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 9:50PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Also ... you make a valid point but I just wanted to add what I did because it's not really an apt comparison. Thats all.
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 10:38PM (Unverified) said

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@ThePenciler -- these memory units are not authorized third party units. They are reverse engineering hacks. Because they are unauthorized hacks, if something changes on the system, why is the console maker responsible for making unauthorized hacks continue to work in the future.

If you are an authorized third party, that means you have a contract to make sure future changes will not impact you or if they do, you have a chance to make things compatiable.

ALSO, what people are forgetting -- if you are authorized -- you are paying Microsoft or Sony a cut of the sales. If you are not authorized, you are bypassing the royalty thus making the benefit of being authorized diminish. The authorized guys are making money in unfair way so they deserve to get screwed if things change.

DLC is the way of the world because it eliminates distribution and piracy and unauthorized content/accessories. Everyone wants everything to be free without considering that without profit there is no new R&D which means no new products in the future..

Authorized accessories will never go away because the primary company will get a cut of sales.

Making things open does not mean things get any better....if something changes and some third party uses some hack that was not support, who is responsible? The primary console maker or the third party? -- problem is nobody will 100% agree to that answer either. If you agree that the third party is responsible, then the arguments we are having here are also mute -- these are unauthorized memory cards using a hack that was intented to be supported and taking profit away from authorized legit products.

People are P.Od because they payed money for a hack/mod and now want it to work even though there was no guarantee for it to continue to work.

I will argue that the first party stuff is too expensive, I can argue that the 360 HDs should be open to whatever we want to use and the ports should not be proprietary -- as an Xbox 360 user I am with all that -- but in this case -- I don't see a legit argument. The problem is easy, purchase PS3s and once MS sales go down they will get a clue. Each dollar is like a vote but argue what makes sense.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2009 2:08AM (Unverified) said

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Dang it, sorry about breaking the reply thread. :P :( I thought I clicked reply...
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Posted: Oct 19th 2009 2:23AM (Unverified) said

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This may sound like a dumb question, but is CodeJunkies not an authorized maker of XBox 360 accessories? I thought they were one of the bigger manufacturers next to MadCatz and others. Or are the authorized on some products and not on others? If so that's a weird way to deal with your third party members. Not revoking licenses because of it I mean.

Are they the same company that made the Game Genies? Or is that another company?
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Posted: Oct 19th 2009 2:24AM (Unverified) said

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I meant "are they authorized" not "are the authorized"
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Posted: Oct 18th 2009 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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Not cool.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 9:46PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Anyone who installed a custom HDD is technically using an unauthorized memory unit. People are upset because of the principal behind the decision. Thats what you aren't getting. I don't really care personally but from the comments it's pretty easy to see why this is upsetting to some of the users.

Posted: Oct 18th 2009 11:42PM SirUrza said

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Key word here folks is UNAUTHORIZED. Meaning non-licensed products. Third parties can make memory cards, they just have to get a license to do so.

I can't wait until they stamp out turbo controllers.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 2:05AM (Unverified) said

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You're talking about stuff like flash carts and the like? I thought this was about previously legit third party memory cards (since a picture of a well known company's memory card was shown), taking "unauthorized" in quotes as a "so they say" bit of sarcasm by the Joystiq writer (you probably can make a legit SD card based memory card by following the rules and not get bit by updates). Yeah, if hacks are made then it's totally the fault of the company that did the hacks. They should have known what they were getting into and people shouldn't buy from those companies. At least not until after the lifespan of the current generation. I only bought my SD Gecko memory card long after Nintendo moved to the Wii (mainly to see if I could get Linux and homebrew to run). I totally understand that. Never pay for a hack or mod for current gen hardware. Unless you don't mind flushing money down the toilet every time the firmware for the system is updated or plan never to update your system again. Which means ending your future gaming purchases and rendering your console a system frozen in time.

@ johnnynumber5: I'm not so much mad at Sony for creating the PSP Go as I am thinking about the fact that this could still go either way and wondering where this is going. Right now I look at my PSP 1000 as a retro-Go because if most games are going to be offered online and they'll still work with it why not play those games as DLC on it? It's not like I can't. I can buy bigger MemorySticks. :) I'm just wondering what this signifies for future handhelds and consoles and the market. It's curious behavior and trends in business plans.

And as for the vouchers. They seem kind of odd to me. But I guess they're no different then selling game time cards for WoW in Best Buy. What gets me is there's no physical product being sold. So shouldn't the prices be the same from the PSN store to the B&M store? Can there be discounts on the vouchers? And what's being discounted? Can the vouchers be sold as used like a used game? lol I mean, if I buy an iTunes card that says $15 I've never once not paid the exact $15 (+tax or not) and paid less because Rainbow decided to sell them at a discount. They seem kind of set in price. Do they do that and I've just not noticed the discounts? And aren't vouchers kind of pointless then if it's easy enough to just buy straight from the PSN Store while sitting near a WiFi point? There has to be an incentive to buy the vouchers...

Anyway, staying from the point of the article. lol

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 2:12AM (Unverified) said

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Bleh... typos.

I meant "different than selling" and "straying from the" Sry.
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Posted: Oct 19th 2009 8:27AM Snappyguy said

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So I've been suffering with this 500mb while there were 2gb ones? Understandable but stupid update. The best solution right now is Hard Drive.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 10:01AM Vhayste said

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Now that sucks. It sounds like they're trying to monopolize the market with exclusive peripherals supplied by them.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 10:47AM cavemailman said

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I just kept running outta space so I bought a 2 GB Max Memory from Datel and like it cuz I can carry around my Gamertag and some good arcade games and play at friends places even if they don't have the game or are even on xbox live. I will not let this go without a fight.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 12:06PM (Unverified) said

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Time to track down my reciept and return mine to best buy wanted one and it was only 10 bucks more for 4 x the storage, Dick move indeed Microsoft.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 12:33PM (Unverified) said

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I just wish they would be clear on whether or not hacked hard drives are included in this or if they're only targeting the datel cards.

Posted: Oct 19th 2009 4:56PM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Oct 21st 2009 2:52PM cavemailman said

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