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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:22AM Mylivingeulogy said

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Thats pretty cool, I guess... worth almost 13k? Probably not..
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:29AM NaeemTHM said

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Surface is so much more that just D&D my friend. If I could afford one I would definitely get it.

Here watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP5y7yp06n0

Pretty cool, right?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 12:08PM Hunter2223 said

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It's not just a computer, it's a big ass table!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZrr7AZ9nCY
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 4:06PM Mylivingeulogy said

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I wonder if the 'table' will have a bunch of preinstalled programs, or do you have to pay for all the software ontop of the 13k for the hardware?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:35AM freaparn said

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At $12,500 a pop, I'm thinking they should've called it the NeoGeo Redux?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:13PM whylekat said

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Why'd you get downvoted for that? It's true NeoGeoc was incredibly expensive when it first released. Even the games were what $100-300 each?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 3:44PM freaparn said

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After extensive review and analysis, I'm going to go with "the truth hurts". It's ambitious gaming hardware released at a price point that's laughably unfeasible to the vast majority of the population.

The ironic thing is that if arcade culture was still widespread and financially viable, the Surface would function nicely in a NeoGeo-esque role: a standardized host platform with interchangeable games in an arcade setting. Compared to the standard pricing on arcade units, it's a steal!
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:34AM (Unverified) said

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Sometimes a clip says it all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3njjD41f48
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:37AM mr nimblewick said

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Wow. Way to make the game last 3x longer than it has to.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:51PM BigD145 said

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Over-engineered? You betcha.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 5:15PM Generico said

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Exactly. The more computer interaction you put in D&D, the slower it plays. This is cool and all, but the virtual dice and the giant menu of attack options is completely unnecessary.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 6:34PM DWhizzle said

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Oh Come on! It's not made for every D&D player to buy! Just admit its a neat idea an move on.

Geez...
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:41AM Uncontrol said

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that's pretty cool actually

i really want to see more electronic interactive board games like this. i think this kind of tech will see a lot of great stuff in the future. perhaps a way of finally consolidating traditional gaming and video gaming
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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Agreed, that dice roll is painfully slow and for no apparent purpose. It also seems odd that you need peripheral control objects. Couldn't different modes be activated with gestures rather than having to have a physical peripheral? Seems like a poor solution for interface.

Neat idea though and a great use of the technology but maybe a few refinements would make it really sweet.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 11:56AM (Unverified) said

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Note: Surface isn't a touch screen (for all intensive purposes). It uses an array of cameras to determine what is on/touching the surface.

So it makes me wonder, why not roll a real 20 sided? the surface could find the number, and then figure out what's showing at the top of the die based on what it sees on the bottom...

I've done the surface development demo, so I know this is totally possible... But they had to have tried that, right?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 1:53PM Prestidigitator said

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The cameras… do they look up at what's above the table or down at what's on the table? In the latter case I guess it's trivial to see the number that shows on the die. If it's the former, then it's a useful fact that opposite sides of any die always add up to the number of sides plus 1 :)
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 1:55PM User Formerly Known as Dave said

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Note: "for all intensive purposes" = "for all intents and purposes"
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:26PM (Unverified) said

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@Prestidigitator: There are (I believe) 5 cameras inside the unit, looking up at the surface. So I guess what you're saying is that 6 on the bottom of the die means 7 is showing?

@Dave: Thanks! haha
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:56PM (Unverified) said

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Yes... I'm a programmer.
Yes... I know that making it recognize dice numbers could be hard.
No... it's not impossible. Especially for a demo, they'd only have to make it work with the dice they're using.

I don't think you follow here... it's not like you're throwing a coffee mug on the surface. The surface is just a surface, the cameras are UNDER it. In no way could you ever damage the cameras by rolling a die on the surface. And I think the surface could handle even a 100 sided die with out damage.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 5:18PM Generico said

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Uhh...if it's a screen, and it uses something (read: anything) to detect what's touching it, it's a touch screen.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 12:01PM AsherR said

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While this is beyond awesome, I still like the tangible feel of dice in my hand.
Clickity clack!

But yeah, awesome.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 12:01PM Courtney said

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I don't really see the potential to improve the D&D experience with something like this. I like handling the dice and figuring up damage, odds, distance, etc.

But, I can see how an original IP could integrate this for something awesome.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:58PM geoff0011 said

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This is the only way that I would be able to play D&D. I have some really good friends who get together for D&D, I'll go just to hang out, but I just can't get into "imagining" it all. I need some sort of application like this to make it seem worth it. It's like Eye of Judgment. I don't like card battle games, but EoJ is the one I DO like because there is something visual attached to it, makes it a lot more fun for me.
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Posted: Oct 21st 2009 12:56AM Riley said

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well you could use miniatures like a lot of people do
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 12:35PM shimrra74 said

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HOLY SHIT is that fucking amazing. That is straight up some Star Trek type interface there. The price is way to high but just the idea is fantastic I say in less than 5 years you will see those in every major retail stores priced more competitively.
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 12:38PM Stevetrop Man of Mystery said

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Ah yes my purple crown royal bag filled up with dice. Your making me go back to my days of playing D&D every Tuesday & Thursday. I had all those wonderful colored multiple sided dice D20, D6, D8, D4, D12, D100. Great times I had with them playing as my drunken Half-Elf Ranger who would get my party into more trouble than they wanted to get into.



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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 1:34PM rahmenxnoodles69 said

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Anybody out there actually own Microsoft Surface?
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Posted: Oct 20th 2009 2:49PM BigD145 said

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The dice rolls are not truly random.
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