Infinity Ward responds to Modern Warfare 2 dedicated server petition

if their numbers are right.. their numbers are right then this is win for the.. i'm a converted pc player.. but i feel bad fro the hardcore players because dedicated servers are needed fro competition play and mods..

that being said.. i'd say hardcore gamers make up %6-10 of the pc market. who will play mw2 on dedicated servers.. the rest of the 90% just installs and play..

those who don't pirate anyway... so you figure..they are going to lose 10% but gain it back in reg pc gamers..just wanting to put the game in and play.. that don't mod.. or download.. different maps etc..

i dont think this will hurt the game.. but it could haev made it better..and epic..if they did include the dedicated server codes...


sigh.. oh well.. sorry pc guys

This just saddens me greatly. I've always been a fan of the series...

The whole point of PC gaming, for me at least, is the freedom it allows and the connection you get to your games/system.

You can't build an XBOX360 yourself, but any PC gamer worth his/her salt is very likely to have custom-assembled their own rig. It's kind of like the difference between buying a sports car and restoring a car by hand - sure the pre-built ride is nice and cheaper overall, but building something yourself (even from otherwise pre-manufactured parts) makes it yours in a deeper way. This holds true for the software - having the freedom to create your own mods/maps/models, or run your own server - hell, even picking the right server - embodies the same spirit, and really makes PC gaming what it is. You could even consider it a show of respect for the game in question - the hours of work required to create a quality map, or configure and maintain a server, or what have you could have easily been spent doing something else, but instead went to making the game and the community a little bit deeper.

This is where the root of my grievance with this situation lies. I don't care so much about the price hikes, or the arguments about cheating...I just don't like the idea of "consolizing" the PC gaming experience, and the stripping away of any real connection to it. If I wanted a casual, homogenous gaming experience, I'd buy a damned XBOX.

While most of the computing scene has had their fair share, I'd just like to throw in one more comment.

WHUTCHUTALKINBOUT, 402?

I have been a PC gamer for years. Grew up on Delta Force with a little CoD mixed in there. I have always paid for the games I've played. I HAD MW2 preordered, but with this news I have cancelled my order. If I ever play it, it will be a pirated copy for sure. Why in the world would I pay $60 for something I couldn't enjoy. I enjoy playing with my friends and clans in servers that host 60+ players at a time.

wow really people its just a game. also if you dont like it then dont buy it. no reason to run your mouth if you are going to buy it anyways. also screw pc's for gaming. consoles have beaten pc's and always will for gaming cuz that is what they are for. so just cuz your too cheap to buy a gaming system and have a computer as well then stfu and get over it. my last words: pc has no community at all like the consoles do which makes it a sorry experience and ps3 has nothing on xbox 360. why do you think IW is with Xbox because its the real gaming and community experience.

I totally agree. All the hours spent customizing maps, running servers, etc. are a show of respect. Great post.

Wow, you just put your foot in your mouth so many ways. First off, I'm no kid. 34, married with 4 kids. Secondly, I played mostly Delta Force games with a little CoD mixed in. Novalogic has servers with 250 players at a time. And unlike CoD maps, Novalogic games have no walls to keep you in. Maps are basically infinite in size. But thats not what this these comments are about. Its about IW taking away what we PC gamers have enjoy for years. I don't own a console. I don't want a console. PC is where it's at for me. I have played CoD 1, 2, and MW and was looking forward to MW2. But I just won't buy it. There are other games coming out in a few months that I'll spend my $60 on instead. And you are right, 60+ in CoD4 is crazy and I don't play those servers. But 150+ in a Novalogic server of Joint Operations can't be beat.

PS. modding and mapping is the bomb.

You're obviously a FPS console player which implies that you are a 12 y/o offensive idiot. That being said I have both a PS3 and XBOX360 and have played COD4 on the 360. The level of competitiveness is much higher on the PC, as is the usual in FPS games. There is my low point of this reply.

FYI cheating wasn't rampant on the PC. There were a few asshats who cheated but the tools presented to people who ran servers made it fairly easy to spot them and ban them.

The reason I'm not buying MW2 is simply match and scrim play. The game like most games needs tweeks to weed out elements of play that don't jive with scrim and match play.

Another great reason is ping... as a console play you gave up your right to play on servers that have good ping for you at will. Your stuck with a system that "pairs" you with players based on a number of attributes. If you care to read up on console match making services you'll find that it is one of the most complained about subjects. They consistently place you in matches with people close to your skill level and sacrifice connection quality.

Further more I don't enjoy playing people of my own skill level. I like playing people who are better than me. Why? Because it forces me to get better. I don't get much satisfaction laying waste to people who don't know how to play. Well alright it's fun every now and again.

You'll no doubt have some baseless rebuttal, fire away.

My main issue is the connectivity one. If doing this is ANYTHING like what happens on consoles, then gone are the days of 32 player games (or larger), because it relies on one player being the local host - and if they have a poor connection, everyone has a poor connection.

Additionally, that player will have an exceptionally low ping, providing an unfair advantage.

shut up already

I wont even buy this game for pc till its price is lowered.

Very dissappointed. It is clear there is two worlds in gaming. Smart business would accomodate both. Yes there is always good and bad and I do get sick of cheaters and hackers. But at the end of the day I continue to enter public and dedicated Clan servers. I find the ones that admin their own and the gaming experience is fantastic.

It took me awhile to come up with a rebuttal to IW's decisions to forgo both modding and independent servers for multiplayer. Essentially, they're ignoring the needs and wants of a huge customer base and telling that customer base that they have to do things like their console brethren.

Essentially, they can take the easy way out on this decision. If the game sells poorly, they can blame the easy scapegoat of piracy instead of forcing features PC gamers don't want or blaming a stagnant economy.

Just recently another industry had that line of thinking. Let's force features and options down our customers throats. They don't need them or want them; so it will be the industry's job to tell the consumer what they want and need. And our sales will still be fine because all our products will have all that extra stuff and customers will have no choice.

Sound familiar? Taken in a simple context, it sounds like the US Auto Industry. THey forces giant sized, super gas guzzling, speed demon vehicles with all sorts of extraenous options we did not need or want. All these vehicles monetarily crushed people with gas prices and ridiculous maintenance costs. The US Auto Industry soon collapsed under its own weight as buyers went for smaller more gas and energy vehicles.

The similarities are there. A corporation telling the consumers what is best for them in terms of products and features instead of listening to the consumers and catering to the consumers needs and wants. And when things go kaput; they become lazy and blame the simplest thing they can. With the automakers, it was unfair foreign competition. With PC game developers; its piracy.

I just hope PC game developers don't go crying for a bailout because they blame piracy instead of catering to the need and wants of the consumers.

Is that guy Edge on crack or something? They're the ones who are trying to explain away their "Capitalistic" approach to this bs move. First they waited till the last minute to inform us of this decision and of course alot of us had already pre-ordered (i've canceled mine and you should as well. WAKE UP!!

You're telling people to "stfu" and you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Consoles are for kids who could begin to afford a good gaming rig and who's mommy and daddy foot the bill, and usually have no life (or girlfriend), and if they happen to get a pc for christmas pick up a noobtube cause it's the only way they might get a kill."Oh my, I dont have a controler". Get a life kid and recognize that you don't own a pc and have no clue what you're talking about. Save up $3-4000.00 and then give your opinion. Pc'ers could give a dam about a console player's opinion.

How are clans going to have matches? Will it even work? Maybe I'll just play the single player part.. I guess I only need the torrent for that tho...

PC being the king of piracy is old news. Thw nwe king is the XBOX. Every p2p I see has has a lot of unreleased xbox games! Heck Modern warfare was alrready released on p2p 4 days ago!

Plus the xbox is such a piracy infested nest you can even play online without even buying the game. At least pc piracy restricts players to offline gaming unless you used gimped methods like hamachi.

Pc piracy is no longer the problem, Xbox piracy is the new Leviathan and its much more of a problem as it cannot be detected!

About the dedicatred servers... not sure if i

I'm gonna go on record and say, while I own consoles, and have owned practically every one you can since the Atari, I am a PC Gamer. I am a content creator. I am a modder.That being said, I'd prefer not to get tagged as a console lover as I rarely touch my x-brick, 360's, or any other console. They have their uses, but not for fps.

Well, seems to be alot of hate in here. Sad but true fact is, they sold 310 million usd worth in the first day. They got their money, but lost alot of support from the PC gaming community. With that said. Less has killed a game studio, alot less. I don't know if it was activision that pushed the no dedicated servers and bash the PC gaming community approach, but whoever it was, Im sure they aren't as proud of themselfs off the PC sales as they thought they would be.

Bottom line is though, its cheaper and less time consuming to develop console games. It also allows them more control and the ability to restrict the content being used, as well as gives them the ability to squeeze more blood out of the rock (The consumers). I don't agree with this approach, I think it was a stupid move, and I hope they see the same fate as all the other studios that have angered the PC gaming community. We shall see if that happens.

I was so looking forward to this game. Thank You IW, for mesiing this up for my lil group.

Returning mine to bestbuy. Didnt know moded servers were out. only reason I bought it was for Open Warefare servers. IW and the whole COD franchise can fuckings die, I will never buy another COD title.

TBH, I don't understand all the fuss. I stopped PC gaming YEARS ago for the simple reason the the migration. You're like Monopoly players having beef with those who play the same game on the PC. Migration is, and has always been, a big part of gaming. The PC has become far too expensive to keep upgrading and the console comes with the whole bit you're going to need at a much smaller price tag.

To me now? My PC looks up guides, porn, MP3s, Movies, etc. Gaming though? No. Because in terms of gaming the PC is a dead format, and if it isn't completely dead yet, it will be. It's dead to me though.

I read this somewhere, can't remember where:

"Aiming with a console controller requires skill and delicacy. Aiming with a mouse is just tracing. If you have any hand eye coordination at all you can aim with a mouse."

Don't hate console gamers because I bet over 70% of them have more talent in one hand then you do in the whole of your game destroying head. If it didn't come with the ability to make your own 'custom' maps, that means you're not supposed to. But like you said, you'll find a way to rip it off because lets face it, you guys can single handedly bring down companies that offer you guys anything, hence why you're all being left behind.

After 10 hrs of online play, I will state clearly that the IWNet servers are sorely lacking. The 'matchmaking' vs dedicated servers argument about 'skill disparities' (and how noobs complained about getting their asses handed to them constantly not being a valid argument for messing with a system that worked for 10's of thousands of players that enjoyed MW for 2 years AND if you don't like cheaters, leave and find a better server) has been soundly repudiated by the simple fact that Good Players will always pwn, no matter the make up of 2 opposing teams, or how they are cobbled together, be it through IWNet or dedicated, 'insular clan' servers. I played on a 'clan' server for the first year of MW and consistently got my ass handed to me by the clan players. not once did I say, 'Golly, you guys are all cheaters, why can't you play fair and balance the teams.' I kept going back cos i wanted to get better, learn the maps, the weapons and give it back to the clan members, which I started to do on a regular basis. I've since been asked to join the clan, and count a number of the members (and some regular players as well) as Xfire and AIM buddies. This is why dedicated servers need to be reinstated; community and continuity. IMO.

OMG

PC gaimng is all about having full control over what where and when you want to play clans will by dedicated servers to practice strategies and so that they can play matches

This will stop competitive tournements and will bring and end to imo the best series of FPS games on the market,

They say it is so the Casual gamer can still have fun which you could on Public servers and punkbuster etc will stop 99% of cheaters, (if you want to play casual you play on a console anyway)

So why oh why are they punishing the "Hardcore" gamers the ones who play it the most and keep the servers alive and full

Ive always had a dedicated server for my clan since COD 1 and im so disapointed they have done this,

As someone else mentioned clans are now going to have to find another FPS game.

Ive played the Single player and spec ops on a friends PC and im personally not going to Buy it now as there is no point, killing noobs on a public server normally gets me bad as i get accused of cheating.

Good bye COD it was good while it lasted, This could be the worst thing they have done with this series since they didnt release COD3 on the PC

The game has been out for a little over 10 days and we already see hacks and crappy server assignments. Very poor options for Hard Core play and the regular game play requires way too many hits to register a kill. The unability to police servers from cheaters and people out to ruin others gaming experience. ie team killing, and hacking. There is a full hack out there for this already and if we had dedicated servers it would be there still but it would be policed y players. IWnet does nothing to help with these faults.
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It is, indeed, a brutal mistake of IW. I have the same problem like many other players... Massive lags. And i dont think, that this is based on my internet connection. 2MBit/s should be enough. Really, I don't understand, why IW wants to de-support dedicated servers. Obviously it is more important to them to get more players (buyers) then supporting the "old" players, which want to get a good gaming expierience.

Really.

I am disappointed by IW. And I hate me, for spending so much money for a game with such a bad MP...

> I'm out