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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 4:19PM emirabal said

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Im totally opposite, i will only go onto the next game when i have beaten the campaign, only time that has been different is if the game just sucks or in the current case my Fable 2 disc was messed up.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 3:48AM (Unverified) said

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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 2:58PM (Unverified) said

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Oblivion had good achievements. They seemed designed in a way to encourage you to explore without being ridiculously difficult.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:01PM (Unverified) said

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Yep I agree and that's why I have all 1000 G's for that game (well 1250 with Shivering Isles). Unfortunately they went a different route with Fallout 3.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:03PM (Unverified) said

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Fallout wasn't too bad. You mostly got Achievements for finishing side quests, and there were only a few along the lines of "Open 50 locks".
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:44PM Ryguy226 said

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I agree, Fallout and Oblivion weren't too bad, but what killed off my enthusiasm for getting all achievements in Fallout was those tedious collect all items achievements. I'm looking at you collect all 100 steel ignots cheevo! Plus, I missed ONE bobblehead in my first playthrough, and that was the one in Vault 101 that I neglected to pick up before I actually started actively searching them out.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 8:45PM wardob said

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Same thing happened to me in the bobble head department except I missed mine in the Enclave base. It really bugged the hell out of me!
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:00PM Gandalf the Grey said

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The ironic thing is that multiplayer oriented games like Halo 3 or Modern Warfare have a higher single player campaign completion rate than single player titles like GTA IV or Fable II.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:41PM aughscreennames said

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Because Halo and CoD are linear games, you cant get sidetracked with them. Theres nothing to do in CoD's campaign besides move forward and complete the next objective.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:01PM (Unverified) said

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I'll admit, the only game I ever bothered to get 1000/1000 for was Halo 3. And that's because I was rewarded for it. But with all the add-ons later, I only made it to 1575/1750 before I stopped.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:05PM PepeSilvia said

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This chart would look way different if it were game completion based on difficulty. Call of Duty wouldn't even be close to Halo on the hardest difficulty. Why? Coop.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:05PM ducttapeBigSexy said

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Honestly, I don't really see the point of getting all the achievements / trophies in a game. Some achievements can be a fun way to make a game last longer, but I refuse to go for the grinding ones (ie, reach 10,000 kills, etc.). Games stop being fun when I have to grind - and when that happens, they go back on the shelf. I have better things to do with my time then work towards a meaningless accomplishment.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:12PM (Unverified) said

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Mass Effect is a good example. I didn't care enough to get all the 'Throw 10 people with biotics' and such. Completed the campaign, did the DLC, put it on the shelf.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:09PM SharinganEdward said

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This chart is slightly off due to the fact that they don't take in to account that ALOT of people make second(maybe even third) accounts on some hit multiplayer games for the hell of it like Halo 3 and Cod4

Im starting to see campaign rot away in the near future

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:13PM (Unverified) said

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"According to the feature, a game's overall difficulty is the biggest culprit from discouraging players from completing a game."

Ugh, kids today...

Very very rarely do I not finish a game I play. If I buy a game, then I will always finish it, but it's the few really bad rentals that I get from Gamefly (like just recently, Resistance 2) that I refuse to keep playing and just send it back.


"we'd also guess many of the hardcore gamers examined skipped the campaign in favor of pwnin' n00bs online."

Just so you know, you're not a hardcore gamer if you do that. Doing that more or less makes you as casual as you can get. I wish developers would lock out multiplayer until you beat the campaign, as too many casuals don't even play it.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:22PM (Unverified) said

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Hey, if the "casuals" enjoy multiplayer, why not let them?

Also, the whole difficulty thing is disillusioning to me as well. I just finished Mushihime-sama last night. Never before have I felt such a sense of accomplishment.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:23PM (Unverified) said

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-mePr1-ZQ

I had to get through that shit.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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They can enjoy mutliplayer....after they beat the campaign. I find it disgusting and disrespectful that people spend that much money on a game to skip the reason it was made and just play mindless deathmatch all day. I would be pretty pissed if I was the developer who worked that hard to make a great single player experience.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:26PM (Unverified) said

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I would salute you just for being able to pronounce that, let alone beat that boss...
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:28PM (Unverified) said

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I can understand where you're coming from, but the developer worked just as hard on the multiplayer as they did on the campaign in most of the above cases.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:30PM (Unverified) said

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You have to memorize his pattern PERFECTLY or you're screwed. It took me about a month playing on and off.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:38PM (Unverified) said

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This comment is retarded. Should vs. mode in a fighting game be locked out until people finish arcade mode with all the characters?

If a game has two separate components (single + multi) who gives a shit which a player plays most seriously.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:45PM NathanDTS said

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Developing multiplayer doesn't take nearly enough work as single player campaigns. I've made maps on some games that rival the actual developers.

Also, the only game iI've never finished is Timeshift; it's like DIY torture.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 4:27PM Vcize said

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Yeah this is pretty much the worst rant ever.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 5:38PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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"I find it disgusting and disrespectful that people spend that much money on a game to skip the reason it was made and just play mindless deathmatch all day. I would be pretty pissed if I was the developer who worked that hard to make a great single player experience."

Guys don't buy into it ... he's just writing another term paper. =)

For christs sake you sound like Bowser ranting here about pure nonsense. On that note it pisses me off when developers force control schemes on players because thats not how they "intended it to play" or don't give the single player campaign proper co-op because it broke "the cinematic experience." In my opinion thats worse than anything else. You made the game, I bought the game so I should be able to play it how I see fit without you getting your feelings hurt. I can understand unlocakble items but not entire game modes ... thats might just be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Stupid rant is stupid and it sounded really arrogant and contrived.
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 5:43PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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disgusting - highly offensive; arousing aversion or disgust; "a disgusting smell"; "distasteful language"; "a loathsome disease";

disrespectful - exhibiting lack of respect; rude and discourteous; "remarks disrespectful of the law"

hyperbole - A figure of speech in which exaggeration is used for emphasis or effect, as in I could sleep for a year or This book weighs a ton.

rhetoric - grandiosity: high-flown style; excessive use of verbal ornamentation; "the grandiosity of his prose"; "an excessive ornateness of language"
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:24PM Professor Lario said

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Surprised to see R6:V2 at such a low completion rate. It was a very well done title and I would think most purchasers knew what they are getting into with a R6 game.

A chart like this begs the question - what should a developer focus on? An experience, but not necessarily an ending, or an easier, less frustrating process that leads to completion.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 4:01PM TheDarkWayne said

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RSV2 had a very very small number of campaign achievements. If you completed the game and all terrorist hunts on realistic, i think it was only around 300 points. Then the rest of it was get 250 kills with X, play 250 matches, etc. et.c
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:35PM JoshMilewski said

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I hardly ever finish games.

And I can't say exactly why.

But I just lose enthusiasm for them.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:36PM (Unverified) said

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So this is ignoring the fact that many gamers don't give a shit about their gamer score?

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 3:39PM TheDarkWayne said

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Well, yeah, it is. A lot of them arent even achievements just for gamerscore boosting like an Overkill or whatever, it's complete the game achievements, which a lot of people are missing. So whether they care about their gamerscore or not, lots of games are still being left uncompleted
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Posted: Oct 28th 2009 4:19PM mikepaul said

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I only have 2 'completed' games and both of those are from XBL, but I played all the way through a bunch of others. Requiring multiple playthroughs to 'complete' a game just sucks.

Now, being stuck in Tomb Raider because the darn seaserpent won't pose nicely under the bells is my fault, I'll admit. I noticed the other day that it's been over a year since I last tried that one...

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 4:41PM TRTX said

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It should be noted that "Beating a game" is not the same as "1000 gamerscore"

I have beaten every game in my collection except Blue Dragon, and yet I only have 1000 gamerscore on 1 of them.

Why? Because some of them are rather demanding in terms of what you have to do. For example, Guitar Hero 3 requires you to beat the game on Expert for at least 3 of the achievements.

Another 3 achievements in that game require you to be able to beat the hardest song on the game, on expert, and get a score that only a handful of people in the WORLD have actually gotten.

Then there's 2-3 achievements that require bizarre multiplayer requests (win 15 straight ranked matches using a CONTROLLER)...or one such as "Win 500 ranked games".

So in reality, I beat that game (on hard) a LOOOOONG time ago. But because of two songs out of 50 or so I will likely never finish off about a third of the achievements.

Likewise Ninety Nine Nights. I have 500 points, but have beaten EVERY story mode in the game. The only thing I didn't do was beat the secret boss (who's a cheap bastard and the game has no in-level save)...and the rest of the achievements require a massive grindfest (replay the one or two levels open to each character over and over to max them out, then play them ONE MORE TIME)

Sorry, pass.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 6:02PM ChomskyKnows said

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the helicopter mission on COD4 on veteran is bullshit. can't get past the first 5 seconds of the very beginning of the level. can't even tell who the fuck is shooting me. total fucking bullshit.

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 8:34PM SitriStahl said

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the only games in my current-gen stack that i really bothered to beat were brawl, halo 3, H3:ODST, RB2, GH3, GHA, GHWT, SMG, and RB2 a second time on my 360, and i have gotten maybe 3 dozen games since i bought my wii in 2007

Posted: Oct 28th 2009 8:43PM wardob said

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I try to finish every game I buy no matter how long it takes. That being said I have quite a back catalog to finish.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 4:21AM zorniki said

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I finished all the games but GTAIV on that list. Gamerscore wise though I couldnt care less. Guess my average GS on all my finished games is about 20-25%. Thats ok for me. I like a challening SP experience and once I´ve finished it, I go on to the next one.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 10:48AM (Unverified) said

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Agreed - multiplayer is fantastic as well, BF2 fanboys be damned. It's the only game I can reliably pop in and play an online game for a couple of hours without getting irritated because some kid is bitching and screaming over something (the squad-only comms have their perks), or getting ready to fling my controller across the room because some jackass is using a super-broken or annoying combo (P90 + Juggernaut + Martyrdom, anyone?).

Frankly, I'm betting that BC2's multi will ultimately be more enjoyable than MW2's.

Posted: Oct 29th 2009 10:48AM (Unverified) said

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Should've been a reply to someone else claiming that BC's finish rates are tragically low. Oops.
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Posted: Oct 29th 2009 9:37PM (Unverified) said

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I wonder how much the rampant multiple account creation in Halo 3 skewed the results for that game, since most secondary accounts don't accomplish most of the campaign achievements.

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