Cage explains why PS3 is 'the best platform' for Heavy Rain

I personaly perfer xbox for almost any video game, however if I wanted blu-ray I would have got a playstation, see, they bothe have their own great things about now people please stop being fan boys! :P

i dont think so, this is all bull he has a target audience in mind that fits with the ps3 crowd thats all

srsly, it would be a great interactive movie...err video game for the 360.

Dammit spyder contribute to the fanboy shit, let him look stupid on his own.

@spyder

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/07/30/edge-rage-running-at-60fps-on-360-just-20-to-30fps-on-ps3/

there almost identical.

it could fit on 2 or 3 dvds.

errr *don't I mean.

I really don't see how you can argue with a developer that has experience with both platforms. Most devs pick the 360 to develop for because of it's ease of use, which is admittedly something I'm envious of as a PS3 fan, but I've had a feeling, even when I was undecided about which console to pick, that the PS3 would end up difficult to develop for (based on quotes about the PS2) but would ultimately be able to achieve superior results when those results were striven for.

Comparing the PS3 to the 360 is apples and oranges, my trolly compatriot. Athough, apples and oranges are pretty similar, don't you think? They're both sweet, round, fruit, and delicious! But, you know what I mean-- developing the same game individually for each system would give drastically difference results than developing for the 360 and porting to the PS3-- and it would probably be more favorable for Sony's hardware.

I don't think its comparing apples and oranges.

I think its like comparing oranges grown in California to Mandarin Oranges. Either way, the taste is pretty similar and if you don't have a lot of experience eating either type or orange, you might not notice the difference.

However, if you've only eaten Mandarin Oranges your whole life, Californian oranges might taste special if you give it a try.

Contrarily, if your afraid to try the new taste, your missing out.

Anyways, yeah xbox 360s almost consistently run faster than PS3 games in most cross platform titles. When titles are developed for PS3 first then ported to xbox 360, they seem to often end up running equal speed.

Honestly, it makes me a bit curious why exactly people feel abitrarily attached to the rumors the PS3 has a powerful beast under the hood we have yet to see unleashed! People really also seem to jump on that only-possible-on-the-ps3 rumor. You know, anything that runs on a ps3/xbox 360 can be easily and superiorly done on a PC. If you wanted top notch visual quality, heavy rain should be being powered by 2x5870x2s or maybe 2 Fermis whenever it gets released.

Even Notty Dog? I think that's the developers name stated themselves that Uncharted 2 maxed out the PS3. Sooo yeah, there's no more hidden power left as far as they are concerned. Uncharted 2 doesn't look that-amazing that there aren't comparable titles on the xbox 360 for visual quality. Seriously, its about time to admit the systems are pretty much about equal.

Even the guy above who stated 'DVD'. Damn that's an old argument that's been countered OHH, OHH, OHHHHH so many many times. Blu-ray discs read about the slower than the dvd rom drive in the xbox 360. As a result, a lot of blu-ray games have the data doubled or tripled to lower seek times and allow more reading per pass. Then if you add that + uncompressed textures, it removes the advantage. Most xbox 360 games look almost identical texture wise to ps3 games when you compare titles available on both systems. If anything, the textures on the dvd-version using compressed textures can sometimes look better. Not always, but sometimes.

I do admit though, I think the next-next generation of video consoles that uses a new more powerful video card that can actually render in true 1080p should really come with a high definition storage medium so games can be around 40GB /w compressed textures to allow nice, long, great looking titles. Versus great looking but rediculously short titles (Read: 6 hours of Heavenly Sword, ...WTH? That was it? is how I felt when I passed that game).

We all know what exclusives come down to when it's between the PS3 and 360. Money and loyalty. That is all.

Both platforms are even. Don't start with this cell bullshit again. If you knew anything about processors you can tell where the Cell fails and why Sony needs to find a processor more suited for gaming needs. Does that make the PS3 a failure? No. Does that make fantards that scream "DE CELLZ!!!!" in EVERY PS3 post a failure? Yes.

It is cheaper to make a game for one system and push it as being the next coming when, in reality, it is another over-hyped, overly complicated medicore game on par with Killzone 2. (Which I liked, BTW, but it's not the "jizz yourself" graphics they want you to believe it has.)

Need proof? Look at the first game videos. A uber-poly character in scene with a static image behind it. I could make FF7 look like God of War with only one character and a static background. The more recent videos and screenshots are getting more to reality and less to hype.

Beside the point, I think this game is going to be decent, but I'm afraid it's going to end up being another The Bouncer without the cute girls and fighter tack-on.

"it could fit on 2 or 3 dvds."
ROFL

Yeah, it could probably be ported to the 360, but the graphics engine would most likely have to be written from scratch. That's a heap of development time that would delay the game release. I'm sure they'd like to get some money rolling in pretty soon.

Someone mentioned Uncharted 2 maxing out the PS3. Not likely. Sure, it may be one of the few games that actually uses all the SPEs at once, but that doesn't mean that things can't be improved. After all, the PS2 only had one cpu (ok, and two vector units), and each generation of games just kept on improving and improving. I expect the same to happen with the PS3 (and the 360 too).

@ Wes

Great post man! +1 for you all the way.

"Uncharted 2 doesn't look that-amazing that there aren't comparable titles on the xbox 360 for visual quality."

Now, see, I agree with the rest of your post, but this, this just isn't the case. Whether it's the animation or the level of detail in every locale you end up visiting... Uncharted: Among Thieves is on another level. I have yet to play a 360 game that matches up, visually.

Or gameplay wise, for that matter. That's a debate for another day, though.

@wes - you're technically correct but technically incorrect.

It's easy to "max out" a console, all you'd need to do would write some buggy software that has an infinite sort of loop and it would effectively use up all the resources of the console. That doesn't mean it's optimally used. Naughty Dog stated themselves that while they maxed out the console, the maximum use of the PS3 won't be realised for another 2 or so years they believe.

Just saying that the PS3 still has ways to go, while the Xbox360 is limited based on my knowledge of the two systems. Based on this, the PS3 would theoretically be a better platform than the Xbox360.

You also mentoned the Blu-ray/DVD debate, and even if the data was tripled on the blu-ray to make the access times equal to the DVD, Blu-ray would still be able to hold almost 4x the amount of data as a DVD.

Lastly, they could develop Heavy Rain for the PC using top of the grade graphics etc., but very few people could use it. Developing a game for the PS3 is the balance between having a very good console that can deliver top-notch graphics, yet ensuring that all of its users can access the game and are able to run it.

So no, I believe that if the developers program specifically for the PS3 it will end up being superior to the Xbox360 version as that version will hit the performance roof quicker than the PS3 version.

wes do you know where your whole argument falls down ?

Do you seriously think that Quantic Dreams havent run tests on the 360 ?

I guarantee you they have and they obviously didn't like the results.

Killzone 2 and Uncharted 2 have already buried the argument the ps3 is the more powerful console. Accept it, why do you guys keep on trying to flip it ?

the architecture is very different you have:
the cell ppe -- cpu
the cell spe -- cpu + gpu
nvidia rsx --gpu.

It is also very similar if you ignore the spes you are left with the cell ppe which is the exact same as the xbox360 cpu and you have the ati graphics card for 360.. To do a cheap port if you ignore the cell spe's you can port to the ps3 -- a triple core 360 to a single core ppe obviously the 360 ports will end up better.. As soon as they begin using the spes it buries the 360..


This was always the case it has been proved time and time again by ps3 exclusives. Just look at Uncharted 2 name me one xbox360 game that comes close, the graphics dont look that good ? Seriously ? Who are you trying to fool exactly ?

Seriously how can these same arguments exist post uncharted, uncharted 2, post killzone 2 ?

Yea, the PS3 is by far a dev's "dream" because of the tech AND the disc space. Also, u need to do a data install that ALL PS3 can utilize? Go right ahead since ALL PS3 SKUs have included HDDs. These are the advantages of the PS3 over all current consoles. The tech part can be debatable because utilizing it is definitely based on talent and resources but he does have a point about porting from the 360 to the PS3. Shouldn't be done but because of the "ease" of devving on a 360, first, to get a game up and running quicker, devs go that route more so than using the PS3 as the lead system. This is why I HATE multiplatforming, these days. Devs are NOT using the full potential of the PS3 where as u see the beauty of exclusives for the PS3, especially first party games. Devs WANT a challenge when they have the time and resources to really flesh out games they always wanted. Unfortunately, most times, devs are under the gun and the fact that they have to dev for multiple systems isn't something they really enjoy.

I don't think the 360 can do what the PS3 can and now that the PS3 is really ramping up it's install base at a hot rate with the price drop, I hope to see more exclusives on the PS3 since devs now can't use that silly argument about install base inferiority. While I don't hate on the 360, I just want devs to push my PS3. It's not our fault that the 360 is what it is.

Bottom line to all that ramble - I like Mr. Cage because he speaks the truth. HE'S the type of dev that all devs should be similar to.

Didn't mean to reply to your comment. At first I was going to but then thought I'd just reply to the article....but I forgot to go back a page. Sorry.

Nice fanboy rant.

It's like reading Penthouse letter.

I bet you 2 were stroking yourselves while you wrote that.

@Caveman:
Shouldn't you be going back to the cave whence you came? I mean, you're supposed to be a caveman, but you're behaving like a troll. Did a pack of trolls roll through your neanderthal family, massacre them, and adopted you or something?

EA agrees with treyIM

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=217049

Never mind. I'm too late.

You idiot PS3 fanboys will do anything to protect your stupid interactive movii-Aaack!

*gasp* *gasp*

Hey, I got one.

Random G: 1

Legolas: 0

That reminded me of lord of the rings where Gimli and Legolas count the orcs they kill and in the end Legolas wins but Gimli is upset cause he didn't win but they're still friends and save Hogwarts together from Sauron

Save Hogwarts??? WTH?

What? You thought they were just going to let Sauron destroy it?

Uh.. Gimli won by one uruk from what I remember. Legolas ties him by arrowing a twitching downed uruk, but Gimli said that it was twitching from having an axe in its skull.

How about the 360 gets a heavy rain port and the PS3 gets a port of Splinter Cell:Conviction?:)

Kleptomaniac:
That would be fantastic! You should get the nobel peace price for your visions, and hopefully end this (fanboy) war!

YOU CANT STOP THE FANBOY WAR! BWAHAHAHAHAA!!!!...but yea those are some good ideas

@Viking
What if his idea turned out like Sqare Enix's decision to make FF XIII Multiplatform.

Well... Sephiroth managed in the final fight to destroy the solar system, _twice_, and I still beat the game. I guess we can all handle the internet melting once more.

If that means more money to the developer (without the cost of quality) there is no reason not to. I prefer developers making the money that way, instead of tacked on DLC announced before release, and such.

Would someone care to explain my downvotingness?
Not everyone interested in Heavy Rain has a 360.

*PS3
Not everyone interested in Heavy Rain has a PS3.

@espoch:
Wouldn't that be a good reason to tell them to go buy the PS3 now that it's slim and the cost of entry doesn't ask for your firstborn?

@ Maho
I could buy ten good games (on Wii, 360 or PS3) for the price of one PS3.
It may not be my first born, but it's still a hefty sum.

Wow, bipolar much?

@ zunedouche, J.S. can you just ban this guy? Seriously, wow what a dick! I just don't like him one bit. Not because I don't agree with him, it's just that he/she is every where in every article saying crap. Ok that's not a good reason, but still can you ban him from posting? Like he can still read all the awesomeness that joy is but not be able to post.

On topic: Heavy Rain is my next game to pick up, after the video I saw here yesterday I was stunned as to how real they acted and the atmosphere is just WOW, mind blowing to say the least. Definitely going to be a GOTY candidate, at least in my head it will.