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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:50AM Cafecito said

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Responsible, yeah... in a WHOOPS-I-MESSED-UP way. Nintendo practically betrayed Sony, and their response was the Playstation. And well, you know how that went... Sony dominated for 2 whole generations after. Good thing the "battle" is a little bit more interesting this time around.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:39AM Mr Khan said

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Nintendo did betray Sony, but not without good cause. Sony was trying to gain the upper hand in their agreement, like trying to be the dominant partner in the sales of the nascent playstation, and trying to gain control of Nintendo IPs

Eventually, Sony's diva attitude caused Nintendo to drop them, albeit in a manner that was definitely inappropriate itself.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 9:13AM sonicspike41 said

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Considering their agreement with Phillips for the CD-i pretty much let a bunch of Nintendo IPs get butchered by Phillips...

I still don't see why Nintendo didn't just renegotiate the contract, rather than backstab Sony like that, but in the end it's probably better this way because of all the amazing games made for Sony platforms.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 9:39AM Cap Morgan said

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Nintendo seems like a nice family friendly company. I mean the persona they put out is such that you'd think Hiro was running their company or something.

History tells of a different story where they've treated any company that is helping them with complete disregard. Sony is just the tip of the iceberg. In the old NES hayday the way they dictated terms to publishers were brutal.

And people wonder why a company would rather make a game for the 360/PS3 and forgo spending the time to make it work on the Wii?

Even with the Wii they're still treating 3rd party publishers like second class citizens. There's a "you're lucky we're letting you be here" attitude. They dictate who can use Mii's for instance. LucasArts show off an upcoming Lightsaber game at E3 two years ago. 5 minutes later Nintendo introduced Motionplus.

When they asked LucasArts if their game would be using Motionplus their response was basically "Motion-what?" A game perfect to showcase their technology but that would take away from their own game.

And don't get me started on how they treat us. I mean they release all these peripherals, the consumer like a sap buys them, they release two games that use them and they go into the closet to collect dust.

The only good Nintendo has done is to help bring gaming into the mainstream and that's a big achievement but as a company their heart is as black as hell.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 3:47PM mahouneko said

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@teno77:
That was beautiful... T_T

Upvoted.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:25AM (Unverified) said

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They would need a considerable margin of growth to do that at this point. Also remember the 360 has a $199 price point, yeah it has no hard drive, but it'll play all your games and the majority of consumers probably won't know the difference anyway.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:36AM Mr White said

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So neither Sony nor Microsoft have any hopes of beating the Wii and are just fighting between themselves?.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:04AM LuTon James said

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Well I read somewhere that Nintendo didn't even think it was in competition with the two because the Wii was so "revolutionary." However, because they have dominated in sales, they love to point out that they are on top (of a race that they supposedly aren't in).
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:44AM PN04 said

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OH MY GOD, why can't these damn analists (and not that's not a misspelling) just freaking say they were wrong??!?!?! This is just a sad pathetic attempt at these morons trying to explain why their initial expectations of the 360 winning the war was wrong! They expected the PS3 to die in a fire BUT THEY WERE WRONG. They dont have any idea why the Wii sold as well as it does! The people buying the PS3 now already have 360s! The people with Wii's didnt WAIT for a price drop they went out and bought a new system when they felt like buying it!

MORONS!

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:52AM Cafecito said

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Maybe interest on the Wii WILL wane a bit this xmas... novelty is no longer a factor. But, who knows.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:03AM Surfaced said

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Actually that made sense to me after a paragraph or two.

I guess we'll see the results soon.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:37AM (Unverified) said

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The truth hurts .... ;-)

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:37AM mahouneko said

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I think the argument goes like this:

Remember the 2000 Presidential Elections? The votes that were going to Al Gore were siphoned/drained by Ralph Nader to the point where Bush Jr. won the presidency.

What the analysts are saying is that the Wii is the fad that prevented the 360 from becoming a dominant system and now that the fad is fading away, the PS3 is poised to take back its market leadership.

That seems to be what they're trying to say. Meh.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:50AM ZayCube said

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@PN04: None of my mates have a PS3 and a 360.. Neither do I.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:41AM Mattchewie said

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Kevin Butler.....your amazing LOL

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:43AM RileyFreeman said

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am i the only one loving the ps3 ads now? good work sony they keep me cracking up. especially the ratchet and clank one lol

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:48AM mahouneko said

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All the PS3 ads that have Kevin Butler in it have been awesome.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 4:40AM Linkb8s XBL Tenku no Link said

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As a an Xbox fan with no desire to ever own a PS3, I gotta say, the latest ad campaign has been brilliant.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 5:59AM mahouneko said

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Anything with Kevin Butler in it is automatically made of win and awesome. At least that's how I feel about his adverts.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 7:50AM Galley said

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There's still a chance for Sony to win this generation of the console wars, just as they have won the last two.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:41AM Mr Khan said

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They've still got around 7 million to go to catch up to the 360 alone. 20 million if they want to catch up to the Wii. This generation would have to last at least 8 more years, and Wii would basically have to stop selling entirely, for that to happen.
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Posted: Nov 6th 2009 3:05PM Fane1024 said

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@ MrKhan

I don't know if you're exaggerating for effect or if your math skills just aren't very good.

All Sony needs to do to pass the Wii (not saying it will happen, but it could) is for Wii sales and PS3 sales over the next three years to flip-flop. Sony could easily sell 20 million units per year (they did with the PS2) and Nintendo could easily drop to 10 million a year (since so many people already have a Wii). If, as you suggested, the Wii stopped selling entirely, the PS3 would catch up within three years (not 8), even without any further jump in sales.

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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:12AM GewurztraminerX said

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My frugality trumps loyalty.

Once I started looking for an HD console after two (great) years with the Wii, I ended up going with the 360 next. This after having both PS1 and PS2 and avoiding the first XBOX like the plague.

I admit the $600 sticker-shock left me bitter with Sony for awhile but the $300 price point for the PS3 is great now and I expect them to do well. But as for me, I'm knee deep in games at the moment, so no thanks. I might grab a PSP though.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 3:57PM mahouneko said

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The PSP is probably one of the most under-appreciated consoles ever. I'm replaying Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion Wars and it is such a blast. Jeanne D'Arc was also awesome and I recently got around to playing Crimson Gem Saga (US) after laughing my head off with the Asian edition.

Oh yeah, a lot of Tales games have been (re)released for the PSP:
-Phantasia
-Destiny
-Destiny 2
-Eternia
-Rebirth
-VS
-Radiant Mythology
-Radiant Mythology 2


As far as I'm concerned, the PSP is my Tales Of platform of choice. I think Yggdra Union and Riviera are getting another print run from Atlus for the PSP. Oh yeah, BlazBlue on the PSP (via Remote Play) is all sorts of silly awesome fun.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 5:14PM GewurztraminerX said

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Never really played any of the Tales games, but FF Crisis Core and Dissidia would definitely be on my list. I've also seen a listing for another Lunar remake next year; kinda curious to learn more about that.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 7:41PM mahouneko said

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Crisis Core is good. There's this 7 minute long movie sequence of win and awesome early on in the game. The remixed FF7 tracks for Crisis Core are also pretty good to listen to. As for the new Lunar game, I don't know when it's coming out but I'd love to play it (Silver Star Story and Eternal Blue were great titles).

I'm personally waiting on a Grandia title for the PSP. Grandia 1 and 2 were awesome. I haven't started Grandia 3 yet.

Oh yeah, Wild Arms Crossfire is actually pretty good, especially if you've played Wild Arms 1, 2 and 5 (3 and 4 were... not as fun)
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:28AM ScottG13 said

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Actually, the Wii stole all of Sony's casual buyers. Not exactly a "save."

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:38AM Cap Morgan said

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More commentary from insiders who have never played a video game. Idiots.

Sooooooo by their logic, due to the Wii being a success Sony is in third place, but it could have a shot at #2 now because MS isn't the leader.

Now let's go to bizarro world where the Wii isn't a success and MS is the leader, but.....gasp Sony is already #2.

Thank god Sony lives in our world where they have a shot at #2 instead of already being there.......

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:44AM Mr Khan said

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There is some credence to this idea, that there is a class of frugal gamer out there, who was the PS2 gamer once, and just wants a machine to play games, and that class would have gone entirely to the 360 if not for the Wii, while the PS3 sat up too high for them to consider. To declare that Wii "saved" them might be a bit much, but it's not without merit

Of course, the full-on statistics of that depend on exactly how much of the Wii audience is proper expanded audience, how much is frugal gamers, and how much is the old GameCube audience come around again.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:57AM Galley said

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Nintendo has sold 20 million Wiis? I was thinking it was
more like 11 million.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:13PM Mr Khan said

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Actually i made a mistake, the gap is closer to 30 million, worldwide.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 9:22AM (Unverified) said

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Maybe it was because of great branding they had from the Playstation 1, and 2 days? Maybe, because they are only now pushing out what really matters: the games. Maybe because only now, is Sony doing a great job at marketing the PS3?

This goes against everything that Nintendo has said about the Wii, and how it brings "new" gamers into the market, and also expanding it.

But what do I know? I'm just a silly gamer, with logic.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 10:12AM (Unverified) said

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The Wii is selling high because of children and grandpa's/grandma's. Casual consumers are what make up the majority of Wii sales, the core gamers are also in the mix but not in such large numbers.

Also, why would the Wii win this console war over which one sells the most?. They should give each console a grade for console sales, performance, online, exclusive gaming, everything. Not to act like a fanboy, but I rather see a console win over its overall quality and performance. Sony and Microsoft are doing far more for the consumers then Nintendo, and they're working hard to make their consoles more fun and enjoyable with their newest projects such as the Playstation Motion control and Natal.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 10:38AM louielou said

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Doesn't matter if it first or last; I'll always be a loyal Playstation Fan. I played it since the PS one and never disatisfied. SONY you rock in all aspects. This is your industry (music, games, movies, electronic devices). You will always be undisputed to me.

sniff sniff :(

That was so emotional. excuse me will I go dry my eyes.

I LOVE YOU PLAYSTATION!

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 10:40AM Ulver said

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I originally bought a Wii with no intentions of buying a PS3 or 360. Soon after though, I wanted something more and the PS3 was it, despite it's $600 price tag at the moment.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:37AM spin cycle said

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I don't agree. Primarily I don't agree because the Wii didn't stop the 360 from becoming the system of choice, the 360 did become the HD and hardcore system of choice.

So any success Sony has had is largely their own doing. It worked on me, I bought a 360 day one, but stopped buying games for it a while. Now that I did so (and dropped Gold), I was massively disappointed with Forza 3. Although it is well-executed in general, it doesn't add much for the hardcore (although there are fantastic new features for the more casual player) and the full $60 version feels like it's massively cut down because you can't get certain cars, and because without Gold, you can't even go on the auction house. I thought Gold only brought head-to-head online play? Why can't I buy and sell cars on the auction house with Silver?

So I end up paying full price for the game and it feels like I only have half a game. All this wouldn't be so bad except for it doesn't happen on PS3. I bought Uncharted 2 and I bought Ratchet & Clank and they both feel like full games.

All this has disincented me to buy any games on 360 in the future if they're also available on PS3.

Anyway, back to point, I think at the end of this cycle, PS3 will be in 3rd place worldwide in unit sales, behind Wii and 360.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:40AM xxtouch said

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Your right Mr. Analysis guy, all those grandmas who came through my store were going to get a 360 to play Halo on live but then saw this crazy Wii thing instead.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:33PM 3dpenguin said

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This analyst is forgetting a lot of factors in his assumption.

1) The PS3 is still the least developed consul on the market.
2) Even with the Wii declining there is no guarantee that people will look at the PS3, Wii owners who haven't bought a 360 or PS3 by now probably still won't.
3) PS2 owners aren't to be depended upon, if they were interested in the PS3 they probably would have already bought one, the PS2 owners weren't the driving force in the Wii sales.
4) As been pointed out TIME AND TIME AGAIN, these "system saving" exclusives don't actually work, every year the have been a couple games which were suppose to cause the PS3 sales to sky rocket and what happened with them... NOTHING... yes they sold well and yes they did increase the number of units in homes everywhere but when a gamer buys a system they don't base it off of a handful of games, they base it off what they want out of the system and when they consider the average ratings comparison given to the games on the market XBox 360 often fairs better than the PS3 because many of the games released for both systems get better gamer ratings for the 360 than the PS3 thanks to the way these games get developed.
5) It all comes down to experience and originality of games, most of the original games are for both consuls, the exclusives have pretty much reached a dead end because its the same exclusives that have been released on the systems over and over, the PS3 doesn't bring any more to the table than the 360.
6) Originality of the system use. People following gaming are following whats coming out and not whats out, the games which will determine the system you pick as pointed out before are all pretty much the same game over and over again, and the other games are available on both systems, so you have to consider what the system brings to the table. Sony being Sony jumped onto the motion controlled games early on with the PS3 original controller when they realized that the Wii was going to kill them, the controls sucked in comparison to the Wii and has pretty much died. So how did Sony replace this, since motion control is the current and next big thing? A clear knock off of the Wii motion control system, break it down you have a camera tracking a light source and an accelerometer, that's all either controller is. Microsoft went and bought out a camera tracking technology and have named it Natal, still pretty much follows the above conditions as the Wii, but has far more planned uses, even with nothing actually developed for it yet.
4) Blu-ray is still not getting anywhere near the sales it should be for being nearly 4 years old, the DVD market even on the decline still garners 80%+ a week in the total dollar amounts sold, and they sell at a much cheaper price than Blu-ray so you can expect that the actual number Blu-ray is pulling down is far less than what the released numbers show (Blu-ray is usually around $10 more than the DVDs which drive sales).
8) Discs are becoming a thing of the past. Blu-ray is not a selling point to the customer, its a pushing point to the retailers. The retailers are trying to meet certain sales quotas and with DVDs being bought less and less they need something else to sell to stem off the encroachment of digital sales, that would seem to be Blu-ray, something many consumers don't buy even after buying a player, money is not being tossed around like it was a few years ago. The CD has taken a back shelf to digital distribution cards for itunes and other point on sales markets and Zunes passes, the games are clearly going that way, much to the cringing sphincters of the used game market, so movies are the last hold out defence from digital downloads, and DVDs are losing major battles against them, so for now Blu-ray is the last hope because at this time there is no legal source for digitally downloaded full HD videos. When one comes around Blu-ray better not expect to get the quality backing from the retailers, retailers will start carrying both and then dump disc media to the back rack once penetration has been made like they've done to CD already.
9) People don't have the money for games now. Its sad but the disposable nation is broke right now, so even if the Wii doesn't sell as well this year as it has in the past, don't expect the PS3 or 360 having any major upswing in sales, the 360 arcade has a nice pricing point but without the hard drive its not a very good option for most gamers, and the long term cost of the systems is extremely high, even ignoring all the systems bells and whistles your still talking about dumping $29.99-$49.99 a game if not more, and game sales are what drives the system market not system sales.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:11PM 33PercentGod said

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I posted here just because God of War 3 was mentioned.

Yeah,it's gonna be that f'ing awesome. I can't wait!

Posted: Nov 6th 2009 12:30PM devienen said

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hmmm



Posted: Nov 5th 2009 2:26PM BrosefStalin said

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>DFC Intelligence
Delicious Flat Chest Intelligence? I'm OK with this.

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 3:48PM mahouneko said

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Mmm, Delicious Flat Chest.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 4:21PM (Unverified) said

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I'm one of those who bought a Wii and never had any intention of buying an Xbox360 or PS3. Two years later, and now I'm playing on a PS3 and hadn't touched the Wii for a long time (hopefully NSMB, Mario Galaxy 2 and Metroid will break the jinx :P).

Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:22PM (Unverified) said

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i own a ps2 and i don't intent to get a xbox 360, because the only games that are on the 360 are FPS, and i don;t really like FPS. if i'm going to buy a next gen console i think the best choice for me is ps3 or a wii, not a xbox 360

and for those who say that every ps2 owner now have a xbox, that's not true, all my friends change from a ps2 to a ps3 or a wii

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