And because Atlus knows that you've grown attached to your
And because Atlus knows that you've grown attached to your
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:13AM Granger said
Strategy Guides are for the obsessive.
I buy strategy guides that give a lot of great extra info and rarely ever look at them while playing a game. Great toilet reading when you are really into a franchise (Piggyback Interactive imports and the scant few US prints especially)
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I buy strategy guides that give a lot of great extra info and rarely ever look at them while playing a game. Great toilet reading when you are really into a franchise (Piggyback Interactive imports and the scant few US prints especially)
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:38AM INNUENDO 64 said
haha. I'll admit i buy strategy guides (or downaload pdfs for older games when the guide is impossible to find) but i made a rule for myself that i have to beat the game before buying the guide, and the guide is simply for a second run and get everything. There's a difference between beating a game and beating the hell out of it.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 4:03AM (Unverified) said
@Shadow
If a shotgun can shoot rockets, it can shoot poo.
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If a shotgun can shoot rockets, it can shoot poo.
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:58AM INNUENDO 64 said
Poo launching rocket shotgun? That screams fallout 3
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:05AM poofydarkness said
is a strategy guide needed for this game?
one guy on here said it isnt as hard as ppl make it out to be.
but i want to make sure...
and if it is needed...is there a free online one that does a good job?
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one guy on here said it isnt as hard as ppl make it out to be.
but i want to make sure...
and if it is needed...is there a free online one that does a good job?
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:21AM CheeziePotato said
There is no need for the strategy guide, just if you want to find hidden objects and other stuff. I didn't find this game to be as hard as everyone said it was, but it's an excellent game.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:52AM sigma8 said
It's not hard at all. It's just unforgiving. Dying can quickly spiral into a huge setback. In Uncharted 2, when I die in a boss fight, it restarts me at the beginning of the fight (sometimes partway through). In Demon's Souls, when I restart, I have to do the entire level over again from the top, and I'm usually impatient at this point, so I'm more inclined to make a mistake.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:18AM (Unverified) said
I love and am addicted to this game, but I have yet to find anything in-game that explains world tendency, character tendency, primeval demons, what some of the stuff on the stats for weapons and uprgrade paths are for. So strategy guide or wiki are necessary I think to engage in some of the better battles of the game against the black phantoms.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:31AM (Unverified) said
i completely agree. this game contains things that you will most likely never experience without the guide.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 4:06AM (Unverified) said
I disagree completely. If it's in a strategy guide, it means that it's possible to discover it on your own. If you can't do that, then you're just lazy, and using a guide is cheating and robbing you of the satisfaction of finding it for yourself.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:41PM SnipeU2Lumby said
Actually Avatar, it is almost impossible to find these things out by yourself without a guide.
World Tendencies are never explained, as well as Character Tendencies. You would never notice or actually actively try and seek out the World Tendency page at ALL if you didn't know what it meant. If you somehow realized that the stages on that page get "darker" whenever you die (even more specifically, in BODY form), you wouldn't know the effects of it either. Heck, you wouldn't know if it was permanent, temporary, how dark it can get, how to get it back to white. Even moreso, you wouldn't know where to find those specific Pure Black events, in specific areas.
Other than that, everything else can be found out on your own.
It's not about being lazy. It's about learning about things you would never find out on your own 99% of the time. If you've played the game yourself, you'd know.
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World Tendencies are never explained, as well as Character Tendencies. You would never notice or actually actively try and seek out the World Tendency page at ALL if you didn't know what it meant. If you somehow realized that the stages on that page get "darker" whenever you die (even more specifically, in BODY form), you wouldn't know the effects of it either. Heck, you wouldn't know if it was permanent, temporary, how dark it can get, how to get it back to white. Even moreso, you wouldn't know where to find those specific Pure Black events, in specific areas.
Other than that, everything else can be found out on your own.
It's not about being lazy. It's about learning about things you would never find out on your own 99% of the time. If you've played the game yourself, you'd know.
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:19AM (Unverified) said
I've abused the crap out of my strategy guide while farming materials and whatnot.. the spine is almost white. But I don't want to get a new cover, the fact that mine is so worn is a testament to the fact that Atlus knows their audience. The guide caters to completionists and rpg nerds.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:36AM (Unverified) said
SpyderTaco (PSN: Ar4chNova89) : I was about to rip you for saying strategy guides are for the weak because we all know and use wiki, but then you owned up to it. The guide is just a quick reference for those who don;t like to run to their computer all the time.
myspaceisevil: I commented about Demon's Souls on the Dragon Age post.
If you are concerned about the difficulty don't be unless you really don't like dying at all in games.
I was VERY skeptical about how a game could be hard and not cheap. I gave the game a go anyway because there was a drought of games over the summer and I wanted to play something.
The developers in a brilliant game design somehow crafted a game where you blame yourself for deaths. Its not THAT hard if you go slow, think about where you are in the enviroment, and approach each and every encouter like you will die (because you can), if you do that, then the game is not HARD.
When you die you will say, "DAMMIT, MOTHER EFFER SON OF BE@^&CH, why was I so stupid?!" When you rush, get over confident, or don;t think, WHAM the game has you where it wants you and you are dead.
And very few things in gaming can prepare you for your first "YOU ARE INVADED" message splash across your screen. You might actually feel panic, your heart will jump in your chest, and terror ensues. And then if you win, you will cry out in victory and scream as such at your TV cursing that son of beeth that invaded yoru game.
Brilliance.
Oh, and a shout out to Atlus. A publisher who actually cares about its customers over something that is barely an issue. As opposed to expanding your inventory in a DLC for instance.....
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myspaceisevil: I commented about Demon's Souls on the Dragon Age post.
If you are concerned about the difficulty don't be unless you really don't like dying at all in games.
I was VERY skeptical about how a game could be hard and not cheap. I gave the game a go anyway because there was a drought of games over the summer and I wanted to play something.
The developers in a brilliant game design somehow crafted a game where you blame yourself for deaths. Its not THAT hard if you go slow, think about where you are in the enviroment, and approach each and every encouter like you will die (because you can), if you do that, then the game is not HARD.
When you die you will say, "DAMMIT, MOTHER EFFER SON OF BE@^&CH, why was I so stupid?!" When you rush, get over confident, or don;t think, WHAM the game has you where it wants you and you are dead.
And very few things in gaming can prepare you for your first "YOU ARE INVADED" message splash across your screen. You might actually feel panic, your heart will jump in your chest, and terror ensues. And then if you win, you will cry out in victory and scream as such at your TV cursing that son of beeth that invaded yoru game.
Brilliance.
Oh, and a shout out to Atlus. A publisher who actually cares about its customers over something that is barely an issue. As opposed to expanding your inventory in a DLC for instance.....
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 8:30AM acefondu said
Well...I agree Demon's Souls is amazing, I love it. But some deaths ARE cheap. Like when the lock on system causes you to fall off a cliff when attempting a thrust move, or when the Maneater...knocks you off the bridge. Really, the cheap deaths are when you fall off a cliff. Otherwise I agree, most deaths are rather fair, though I do still hate dying in one hit on things. All I learn there is I need to level up, lol.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 1:46PM SnipeU2Lumby said
acefondu, ya gotta learn to take off lock-on whenever you see the enemy falling off a cliff, or at least stop following it.
Yes, the Maneater pushing you off the bridge is annoying, but it gives you one whole second to actually move out of the way of his tackle. Once I saw how much time I have to dodge/block his tackle, I was never pushed off the bridge since (and I've played through this game 7 times, and 6 out of those 7 times I beat Maneater by myself, without killing one first through the fog, and without falling off). Even when I died, it was because of their magic or physical attacks, not because of the "cheap" tackle.
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Yes, the Maneater pushing you off the bridge is annoying, but it gives you one whole second to actually move out of the way of his tackle. Once I saw how much time I have to dodge/block his tackle, I was never pushed off the bridge since (and I've played through this game 7 times, and 6 out of those 7 times I beat Maneater by myself, without killing one first through the fog, and without falling off). Even when I died, it was because of their magic or physical attacks, not because of the "cheap" tackle.
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:40AM (Unverified) said
And one more thing concerning Atlus, because of them actually caring about their product and customers, whatever game they publish for a platform that I own, I will at least give their game a serious consideration.
Those guys really know what they are doing.
The Halloween thing was greatness.
I really hope they are the "secret" publisher for 3D Dot Heros. They will do something fun. They always do.
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Those guys really know what they are doing.
The Halloween thing was greatness.
I really hope they are the "secret" publisher for 3D Dot Heros. They will do something fun. They always do.
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:58AM (Unverified) said
Sweet SpyderTaco. Power or not, I appreciate it anyway.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 12:59AM (Unverified) said
Well thanks SpyderTaco, Power or not I appreciate it.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 6:32AM tykjen76 said
always use square to check up info on items. and if you wanna give something to someone, like the jade hair ornament to thomas, or the flamelurker soul to blacksmith ed, you gotta have the item highlighted in inventory before you speak to them. take care of colorless souls. and yea, just get high enough magic and int and you can learn spells. im a temple knight, and i managed to learn some fire spells from the witch i rescued in 1-4.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:16AM rubadub72 said
Strategy guides are definitely handy for a game like this, i've used the wiki a few times to understand tendency shifts and rare upgrades, not that it's unplayable without it, but the game has a lot of depht and it's rather unique in many aspects.
fantastic game, probably one of my favorites of all time.
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fantastic game, probably one of my favorites of all time.
Posted: Nov 5th 2009 11:32AM LokeSTL said
If you saw what happens, you would rant too. It's not like the ink gets a little smeared from sweaty hands. Anywhere you touch the cover becomes by the next day. Very weird! Also, the ink on the inside is like a powder. If you touch the letters, they fade. If you then touch another spot, you leave a fingerprint. It's like they used an ink that doesn't sink into the kind of paper they used. Very odd.
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Posted: Nov 5th 2009 5:02PM RagingStormX said
@ eNrique
You should definately take some time and have a look through the Wiki. Black NPC's show up if your world tendency is pure black. The wiki will explain why what you did caused her to disappear. There are certain things that sway world and character tendencies and certain things that only take place at certain stages of white or black world/character tendencies. Also you can learn spells at anytime once you have a Magic level of 10.
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You should definately take some time and have a look through the Wiki. Black NPC's show up if your world tendency is pure black. The wiki will explain why what you did caused her to disappear. There are certain things that sway world and character tendencies and certain things that only take place at certain stages of white or black world/character tendencies. Also you can learn spells at anytime once you have a Magic level of 10.
Posted: Nov 6th 2009 3:03PM RagingStormX said
Wow, and here I was trying to figure out if I missed and place my guide on something wet (cause I know i don't have sweaty palms). I might just take Atlus up on this offer....
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