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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:11AM (Unverified) said

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Very interesting article.

I would guess these problems will become more common. People don't take responsibility for their actions or honor agreements these days.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 5:16AM embassy said

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"these days"? While this particular instance may be new to the music/video game worlds, this kind of contractual banter/chess match has gone on since the birth of "Agreements".

I'm sure some caveman agreed to give another caveman some goats in exchange for his daughter and ended up clubbing the other to death because he only got 5 goats and not the "agreed-upon" 6.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you can reinact that scenario in Dragon Age.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 5:56AM just a guy said

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Back in my day, people didn't litigate over petty disputes arising from their likenesses appearing in plastic peripheral games. This would not have been tolerated in the workhouse. These youngsters think they can get away with anything.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 9:59AM frozenaccess said

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Da hell with the dumb Contracts from SCEA and Activison!...This is pure Evil..
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 10:07AM (Unverified) said

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Computer chip? You underestimate the power of the dark side.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 11:04AM Bubbameister33 said

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Do dark lords of the sith have any fun? It's always "something something something...darkside" with you people.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 11:10AM (Unverified) said

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Well, there's no restrictions on love...lots of women. Lots and lots of women.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:36AM (Unverified) said

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OBJECTION!

Your Honor, this article is clearly faulty!
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:37AM (Unverified) said

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I'm sorry Phoenix, but I don't see anything faulty with this article.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:51AM (Unverified) said

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Obviously, this evidence contradicts the... Umm...
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 6:15AM Unvrfd said

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Mr. Wright, please rethink the facts before making accusations.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 9:27AM (Unverified) said

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I guess I'm on the wrong track?
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 11:10AM HydrophobicFish PSN ID Hydrophob said

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Did you guys just srsly go there?...

srsly?

Way to be, Phoenix WRONG!
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:46AM (Unverified) said

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Joystiq could stand to have more articles like this.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 3:09AM (Unverified) said

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Needs more pics ;)

Seriously though... Interesting article. I'm just kind of surprised that these bands and music figures don't have better lawyers working with them to prevent the need to sue later on.

But I guess they have a lot of legal things to go through and the unpredictable (to a non gamer at least) possibility of Kurt Cobain playing Bon Jovi songs and messing with the legacy they want to honor him with is sort of beyond the scope of a brief legal session.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 5:20AM Shiaoran said

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BOOORING!

Sorry Mr. Attorney, TL;DR

A- It's way too long and it's stuff probably all of us can figure on their own.

B- You don't explain stuff like Phoenix Wright does.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 12:02PM NathanDTS said

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Some of us have the attention span to read an interesting article so don't be a dick, but let's be honest, you stopped reading my post at "us".
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:38PM Shiaoran said

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Actually I did read your whole post.

Also I was going for disintrested/funny, not dick.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 7:46AM Ample Salty said

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That was a right-pretty article, sir. But I ask you, what is a contract? Webster's defines it as "an agreement under the law which is unbreakable".

Which is UNBREAKABLE!
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 9:09AM (Unverified) said

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I am surprised there is not an arbitration provision in this contract.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 9:42AM 33PercentGod said

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It's just that bird law in this country, it's not governed by reason.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 9:56AM MNC Dover said

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Gamer: Die monster! You don't belong in this world!

Kurt Cobain: It was not by my hand that I am once again given flesh. I was called here by humans who wish to pay me tribute.

Gamer: Tribute? You steal men's souls, and make them your slaves!

Kurt Cobain: Perhaps the same could be said of Courtney Love.

Gamer: Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill-needs a savior such as you!

Kurt Cobain: What is a man? A miserable little pile of secrets! But enough talk...have at you!


(Interesting how well that works with only one minor edit.)
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 11:39AM (Unverified) said

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I think that it's unfair to accuse Guitar Hero specifically for these problems. I doubt anybody would be convinced to switch to Rock Band because of this. Besides, Rock Band has only ever had 1 game with real-life musicians in it, Beatles Rock Band, in which the alive and dead people in the game had proper representation, as they worked on the development in the first place. I doubt Activision would do something like put Courtney Love or Gwen Stefani on their development teams.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 2:05PM (Unverified) said

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"What is a contract?"

I miserable pile o...
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 3:09PM JeezWhiz87 said

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Speaking of fine print, how many of you really read it? Did you know that anything you say on here can be reproduced in any way AOL Networks sees fit?

"However, by submitting Content to public areas of our Services, you grant us, our parent, affiliates, and distributors the right to use, copy, display, perform, distribute, adapt and promote this Content in any medium."

I never really contribute anything that matters too much in the grand scheme of things anyway, I just thought it was an interesting example of how often people agree to things without knowing the full extent of the agreement.

Also, Fuck Activision.
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Posted: Nov 8th 2009 4:42AM Korova Pamplona said

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If you actually read all the fine print that applies to thing a person does in one's life (and I count software and website Terms of Use as small print) you would hardly make a step in your life. Courts know this, and a lot of baloney fine print gets thrown out in court if it is contrary to a reasonable consumer's expectation. But before you get to court, one has to spend several thousand dollars and months of time on the legal process.

In the end, the contract is just one type of leverage a person has against their commercial partner/opponent. Believe it or not, morality, personality and reputation are very weighty factors, especially in small worlds.

I cant imagine a last minute trick provision getting slipped into a contract by Activision. They have a reputation to protect if they want to work with any more musicians. Even if some rogue Activision lawyer did it, Acti would have to ignore that provision. Music industry is a small world. I am pretty sure most of the lawyers know each other or of each other, especially those representing big acts and big companies.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 4:47PM aristokrat said

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Wow, so the only penalty for trying to stealthily change a written version of a negotiated contract at the last minute is problems with future negotiations? That's unbelievably lame.
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Posted: Nov 7th 2009 6:37PM (Unverified) said

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When Courtney Love had a shit fit over Kurt's image in GH5 it was an interesting headline. No Doubt suing Activision over their usage in Band Hero is just unoriginal less than a month later. Perhaps no other circumstance would warrant the following to be said:

"If Courtney Love has taught us anything, it's that...".

Haha. But seriously, No Doubt. Maybe you should fire someone on your management or legal team as opposed to waste time suing over a contract you clearly signed. Not to mention that anyone with a half-ass idea as to how the characters in the Hero series are used would've been able to warn you that you had in fact agreed to be used as a virtual stage whore of yourself. Tsk tsk, Gwen.
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