Trials developer put its own game on torrent sites for marketing

Which explains why its selling so well. Thanks for clearing that up. It's so obvious now...the only reason games sell so well is that no one buys them! OBVIOUSLY!

does anyone actually care about leaderboards?

The only one I've ever looked at was in Street Fighter 4 to see me compared to friends.

But I remember Bungie saying in the days of Halo 2: "leaderboards are for a very small percentage of the playing population and its becoming less and less meaningful to maintain them"

-paraphrasing a little there but that was the gist of it.

I just dont see how leaderboards are touted as such a big feature of games when developers get interviewed about "whats in the game"


Leaving out leaderboards, big whoop. I really dont think that has translated into sales. I see it being more of people saying "that was actually really fun, im going to but this to support that developer"

I'm tired of people acting like it doesn't exist on consoles. Just because it's not as visible does not mean it is not there Joystiq!!

And just because its on the 360 doesn't mean its still and issue on the PC.

They said that because it is, not because it doesnt appear on consoles but im sure the number of pirated games on consoles is very low compared to the numbers of those who actually pay for them

Surprised someone would mention the piracy of Modern Warefare 2 in this posting without mentioning the possibility of them doing the same thing RedLynx is doing.

I think that MW2 was placed up there by the devs on purpose to make people want to buy the game where they will, say, be able to play with the majority of people who purchased the game. I'm foreseeing incompatibility problems. Also, they got publicity for the "leak", didn't they? And they released it on the console where not many people would be able to use it anyways. If it was for PC they would lose many more sales.

It may exist on consoles, but it is no where near the levels of the PC. Also sales are declining on PC as well, so companies automatically assume correlation.

Come back to me with that complaint when piracy on consoles is 1/10 the size of piracy on PC

You all are stupid. The article makes a statement about the widespread piracy on the PC, not the absence of it on the 360.

Morons

To all of you saying that console piracy is not anywhere near the PC's.

Look at those numbers: http://isohunt.com/torrents/?ihq=modern+warfare+2

I am just happy I chipped my PS1 back in the day. It's still hooked up to the TV, but if I get an urge to play something PSN doesn't have, I don't have to hunt down a copy for sale. So yeah, Yarrr, I'm a pirate.

But PC games I buy, gotta have my online.

If pirating games on the consoles was as easy as the PC, then I'd like to see the piracy rates compared. Piracy has made a more significant impact on the DS and especially PSP.

@TJ

I don't think IW did it intentionally for that reason... I haven't looked into it but I am guessing the MW2 leak is going to be fully functional online so long as the pirates wait until the release date before playing.

Since consoles don't have security keys and stuff like PC there is really no way to protect consoles from pirate games beside dummies playing early rips of games that are distinct from the retail copy, or getting caught playing final versions way before the game is supposed to be out.

Oh, yeah, Crispy. Data that shows the single most anticipated game of the year (as well as the game that's likely gonna end up selling the most units) being pirated in the DOZENS of HUNDREDS (omg huge number rite) totally proves that PC piracy and console piracy can be compared

:|

of course, I expect those numbers to get bigger after the game comes out and the NTSC copy is leaked, but still, common sense would tell you that, while this leak may make the 360 piracy community seem to have a presence comparable to the PC piracy community, the fact that it's much more difficult to pirate for the 360 would prevent the 360's piracy rate from ever reaching the PC's

Very specific example you've shown there. The most anticipated game of the year (in terms of sales) getting pirated... big surprise. The difference is they are getting banned, and risk losing their console by going online. If someone on PC gets caught, there is no way (legally) to ban or disable their PC.

Also no one can play the PC version and get essential files for the game, because of Steam (which is a closed system) That is why the PC version has yet to be cracked, and that is what developers, and publishers are aiming to get rid of: zero day piracy. In the end, the closed system that IW had implemented on the PC version is actually doing wonders in terms of ensuring there is no zero day piracy.

RKN @ Nov 7th 2009 5:17PM
If pirating games on the consoles was as easy as the PC, then I'd like to see the piracy rates compared. Piracy has made a more significant impact on the DS and especially PSP.

pirating on consoles is just as easy as the PC, the only thing is that the users are either scared or dont know how. i know people with softmoded consoles and there yet to be banned, although originally they dont it so they could import games but now they pirate

Very specific example you've shown there. The most anticipated game of the year (in terms of sales) getting pirated... big surprise. The difference is they are getting banned, and risk losing their console by going online. If someone on PC gets caught, there is no way (legally) to ban or disable their PC.

Also no one can play the PC version and get essential files for the game, because of Steam (which is a closed system) That is why the PC version has yet to be cracked, and that is what developers, and publishers are aiming to get rid of: zero day piracy. In the end, the closed system that IW had implemented on the PC version is actually doing wonders in terms of ensuring there is no zero day piracy.

Yeah except that when you pirate a PC game YOU DONT USE THERE ONLINE SERVICE(unless the companys server security fails like Operation flashpoint)

the 360 guys only have a problem if they wanna play online and thats when people buy the game. though PC pirating will probably run rampart on MW2 because people will just wanna blast through SP or just throw it in IW's face the zero day protection thing wont stop anything people have gotten around it before

When developers and publishers start moving away from consoles because of piracy than you will have an argument. Until then, the facts, and developers/publishers have shown, that PC piracy is a much bigger problem.

"Until then, the facts, and developers/publishers have shown, that PC piracy is a much bigger problem. "

Used games sales do much more damage than piracy does on consoles and PCs (not combined, mind you).

I find it funny that no one in the industry bothers to comment on this too.

That plus the whole game rentals by mail thing is also another blow, add that with piracy and used game sales and you have a lot of negative impacts on console gaming.

You know what console piracy ISN'T on? PS3. Blu-ray has some insane copy protection or something.

@lenandude
*facepalm*

Why do people keep comparing PC Piracy to ONE game?

lenandude, it doesn't have much piracy because pirating a game with up to 50GB of data would be hard drive genocide

Congratulations, you got your free game and your conscious clean.

> The thing that most companies don't get is that people that pirate games weren't going to pay money for it anyway, so they're not losing any money.

Actually, companies know that not everyone would've bought it. But, yes, some percentage of them (more than 0%, but less than 100%) would've bought it. Given the scale of piracy that goes on, even if a single-digit percentage of pirates would've bought it, that's a lot of lost sales. I've heard a number of game companies (e.g. 2d boy, Stardock) report piracy rates of around 90%. If as little as 10% of those pirates bought instead of pirating, it would've doubled their sales.

You downloaded the demo, WATCHED other people's runs, decided it was frustrating and then deleted it.

You really don't get the point of demos do you?

At least play it yourself. Sheesh.

No, I played through all of the available levels before watching the runs. Under the medium difficulty (or whatever name they gave it) is where I started to become frustrated, mainly because I'm not good at this type of game. It has nothing to do with the game itself, it's just not my cup of tea.

Now reading back through my original comment, I did come off like an ass and like I didn't even give the game a try. But I did give it a go, and I'm not really an ass.

The PC Trials 2 and XBLA Trials HD are two different games. They're not just different versions of each other.

Seriously. I searched all the sites. Where is this marketing copy? I want it! If I really like the game and want to brag to my friends I'll buy the one with leaderboards like you're telling me to do.

Looks like the latest release is Trials 2 second edition by skidrow. While this is probably a legit scene release, I'd rather have the marketing copy for the luls.

Half Life 2 got a lot of sales from pirates who suddenly found the AI stopped working partway into the 2nd or 3rd level ;)