Tom Watson, a member of British Parliament, has developed a sort of folk hero status among European gamers this morning. After his fellow MP, Keith Vaz, promised to decry the violence depicted in Modern Warfare 2 (specifically in that one scene) in the next session of Parliament, Watson publicly defended the game on Facebook and Twitter. He then kicked it up a notch and started a pressure group called Gamers' Voice on Facebook. The group's mission statement explains that its members will discuss "how UK video gamers can find their voice in newspapers and government."
It was a wise, pre-emptive move on Watson's part -- as promised, Vaz brought up the game during today's Parliament session, explaining that it's so violent that "even the manufacturers have put in warnings within the game telling people how they can skip particular scenes." He inquired how the government was planning on "protecting our children." Watson stepped in and dropped the timeless observation that the UK already has a game rating system which restricts the game's sale to minors, and that it's more important to protect the gaming industry than it is to "create moral panic" in the media.
If you want to stay informed of Watson's other heroic, industry-defending activities, you might want to join the Gamers' Voice group. (We hear that shortly after that Parliament session, he doused a burning orphanage, then ate an entire maple tree for breakfast. Seriously!)
Reader Comments (58)
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 5:42PM harusame said
Yeah, that one has only been used twice before.
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/03/initial-modern-warfare-2-budget-was-ridiculous/
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/23/pc-modern-warfare-2-gets-steamworks-steam-cloud-steam-achievem/
They could at least have added Dead Space Girl there somewhere.
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http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/03/initial-modern-warfare-2-budget-was-ridiculous/
http://www.joystiq.com/2009/10/23/pc-modern-warfare-2-gets-steamworks-steam-cloud-steam-achievem/
They could at least have added Dead Space Girl there somewhere.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:05PM (Unverified) said
If he really wants to do start "protecting out children", he should try to get a clamp down on Age Ratings, and the access children have to these games ... at least that woud make a lot more sense
Seriously, it's just a joke how easy it is to get hold of restricted games in the UK. I bought Duke Nukem when I was 12 lol.
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Seriously, it's just a joke how easy it is to get hold of restricted games in the UK. I bought Duke Nukem when I was 12 lol.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:27PM Toop said
I agree, but Duke Nukem was a while ago. It was much easier to get game underage back then. I was playing Unreal Tournament well before I was out of elementary school.
I live in Canada, and I think the first game I got "carded" for was State of Emergency or Manhunt. These days retailers like EB often refuse the sale of games to kids that are younger than the rating. I don't know if selling adult-rated games to minors is illegal though. Either way, most of the adult-rated games seem to get into kids hands through their parents, especially at the price of game software lately.
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I live in Canada, and I think the first game I got "carded" for was State of Emergency or Manhunt. These days retailers like EB often refuse the sale of games to kids that are younger than the rating. I don't know if selling adult-rated games to minors is illegal though. Either way, most of the adult-rated games seem to get into kids hands through their parents, especially at the price of game software lately.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:33PM (Unverified) said
I don't agree that there's a problem either with kids playing these types of games.
I played games and saw movies that I most certainly shouldn't have when I was a kid. But to say that there's a problem with that is simply foolish. My parents are quite good really, I've been taught to understand the difference between what happens in a videogame and real life. And they knew that they could teach me that, and that I was intelligent and mature enough to understand, so they were more lenient on allowing me to see content too "mature" for me. And I turned out fine, I'm studying at uni and doing great in my life. (not trying to toot my own horn, lol. Just illustrating my point)
So as long as parents can educate their children on these matters correctly, there shouldn't really be a problem.
However, we all know that not all parents can/will take as much care with their children as they should (a sad fact, but one that we must accept exists), especially with videogames. So, I think that there should be more of a barrier to stop children accessing games like this.
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I played games and saw movies that I most certainly shouldn't have when I was a kid. But to say that there's a problem with that is simply foolish. My parents are quite good really, I've been taught to understand the difference between what happens in a videogame and real life. And they knew that they could teach me that, and that I was intelligent and mature enough to understand, so they were more lenient on allowing me to see content too "mature" for me. And I turned out fine, I'm studying at uni and doing great in my life. (not trying to toot my own horn, lol. Just illustrating my point)
So as long as parents can educate their children on these matters correctly, there shouldn't really be a problem.
However, we all know that not all parents can/will take as much care with their children as they should (a sad fact, but one that we must accept exists), especially with videogames. So, I think that there should be more of a barrier to stop children accessing games like this.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 2:33PM blash said
Honestly, it's not the job of the government to protect the kids, it's the job of the parents.
What else is out there that can damage our little poor kiddies poor, poor, minds? Pornography? Religious (that isn't their parents') propaganda? Dare I even say, politics from either side of the spectrum?
Some of this is regulated. Some of it isn't. In either case, it's up to the parents to decide what they want to expose their children to, because there are censorship laws regarding advertisements (i.e. what will be shown in public) in both the UK and the US. Your kid's home is your home and you get to decide what to bring into it.
But don't punish the adults who are not children and have the power to make the choice on whether or not to buy the game. Don't make an injunction against selling the game that will target adults too, and trust in the parents of these children that they will protect their kids, whether that trust is warranted or not.
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What else is out there that can damage our little poor kiddies poor, poor, minds? Pornography? Religious (that isn't their parents') propaganda? Dare I even say, politics from either side of the spectrum?
Some of this is regulated. Some of it isn't. In either case, it's up to the parents to decide what they want to expose their children to, because there are censorship laws regarding advertisements (i.e. what will be shown in public) in both the UK and the US. Your kid's home is your home and you get to decide what to bring into it.
But don't punish the adults who are not children and have the power to make the choice on whether or not to buy the game. Don't make an injunction against selling the game that will target adults too, and trust in the parents of these children that they will protect their kids, whether that trust is warranted or not.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 5:09PM The Blank Mage Returns said
Ha, I just remembered getting my grandma to buy Unreal 2004 (Christ, I'm OLD now) and she asked "Um, are you sure this is the game you want?" while looking at the box art. But, hey, I can get legally drunk now, take THAT, ratings system!
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 5:11PM The Blank Mage Returns said
I'll let you guys continue being intelligent now, don't mind me.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:07PM Aurailious said
What is with today and seeing good things in the World of Gaming?
Keep up the good work World, keep it up.
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Keep up the good work World, keep it up.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:31PM JXCGunrunna said
Agreed. Anyone who sees games as being manufactured like they are just a physical object should have no room to talk about games. Games are art like movies, tv, music paintings and sculptures. They are ideas expressed through a medium.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:44PM JeezWhiz87 said
Ugh, I love games, but just because it's entertainment doesn't make it art. John and Kate plus 8 is "entertainment", but I don't think anyone is calling it art. A roller coaster is entertainment, but I don't think anyone is calling it art. I'm not saying games don't have artistic elements, and many of them are quite visually stunning, but entertainment =/= art.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:10PM (Unverified) said
Ahh, the joys of a nanny state. At least there are always a few who are willing to speak out. Bravo, sir.
The only thing government is supposed to 'protect' people from are threats from foreign powers, not evil games/books/movies.
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The only thing government is supposed to 'protect' people from are threats from foreign powers, not evil games/books/movies.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:12PM (Unverified) said
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:25PM (Unverified) said
Sorry for the double reply, but this is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
"We know that you’re too busy fighting off your biological urges and being l33t hax0rs to Get Involved, but politics is cool, m’kay?Nobody ever seems to do anything for The Kids! All the decisions are made by suits, man. That’s so lame!!! We know you think of yourselves as responsible citizens, but what you wanna do is turn that thought into an action, dudes.
Get involved – to the extreme!"
http://ithinkimdying.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/02.gif
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"We know that you’re too busy fighting off your biological urges and being l33t hax0rs to Get Involved, but politics is cool, m’kay?Nobody ever seems to do anything for The Kids! All the decisions are made by suits, man. That’s so lame!!! We know you think of yourselves as responsible citizens, but what you wanna do is turn that thought into an action, dudes.
Get involved – to the extreme!"
http://ithinkimdying.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/02.gif
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:26PM (Unverified) said
WARNING: Getting involved in politics may cause premature ageing and a sudden loss of friends.
lol
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lol
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:59PM freaparn said
@Toop: Reading an entire article before commenting always be my mad priority, yo. That can't be said of everyone, mind you.
Their rampant abuse of ironic marketing aside, seems like this guy actually has a pretty decent grasp on reality and a sense of humour, or has picked some savvy support staff to make him appear that way. We need more people like him in government the world over.
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Their rampant abuse of ironic marketing aside, seems like this guy actually has a pretty decent grasp on reality and a sense of humour, or has picked some savvy support staff to make him appear that way. We need more people like him in government the world over.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 4:08PM Mr Clickerson said
When the Hell did pro golfer Tom Watson get into the Parliament? lul /sarcasm
Just a coincidence, I see... Living right next to Tom Watson Parkway, the National- his golf club/housing development. Kansas City REPRESENT! /sarcasm x2
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Just a coincidence, I see... Living right next to Tom Watson Parkway, the National- his golf club/housing development. Kansas City REPRESENT! /sarcasm x2
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:36PM Phoenix654 said
Wow, I need to move to the UK. Sounds like at least one politician there is growing a brain and wants to focus on the ACTUAL issues at hand. When was the last time anyone heard an American politician defending the game industry or being concerned about creating a "moral panic?"
"What? Parents are afraid of video game violence? Violence that typically pales in comparision to cable television, movies, books, some comics and the visions in my head when I see Hannah Montana? I smell a jump in my popularity if I declare my complete revulsion at video games!"
Tom Watson for the British equivalent of President!* Or failing that, let's let him emigrate here and make him President!**
*I know it's Prime Minister, shut up.
**I also know it's Constitutionally impossible, shut up again.
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"What? Parents are afraid of video game violence? Violence that typically pales in comparision to cable television, movies, books, some comics and the visions in my head when I see Hannah Montana? I smell a jump in my popularity if I declare my complete revulsion at video games!"
Tom Watson for the British equivalent of President!* Or failing that, let's let him emigrate here and make him President!**
*I know it's Prime Minister, shut up.
**I also know it's Constitutionally impossible, shut up again.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 8:23PM El Stefio said
Don't confuse being on the right side of one matter with "growing a brain". British politics is one of the messiest systems in the known world, and pretty much every politician is completely out of touch with reality. *
* personal opinion that just happens to be the blatant truth.
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* personal opinion that just happens to be the blatant truth.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:43PM (Unverified) said
What? There are no palm trees or smoke in that image! Joystiq, quick, you got the wrong screenshot!
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:45PM (Unverified) said
Hey Brits! I'll trade Stephen Harper (Canada's Prime-minister) for Tom Watson. Anyone? Anyone?
No...
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No...
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:55PM (Unverified) said
We'll trade Obama for Harper. Sounds fair to me.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 2:23PM (Unverified) said
Canada's own version of Watson would probably be the NDP MP Charlie Angus (Timmins-James Bay). He's a staunch defender of digital rights (net neutrality, fair copyright law, etc.) and is an all around awesome dude. He even played in a punk band in his younger days!
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:50PM guadalupe1981 said
Im waiting for the modern warfare 2 dynamic theme
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0TqW-ZAY0
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g0TqW-ZAY0
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 1:58PM (Unverified) said
They need more politicians like this in Australia.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 2:39PM ScottG13 said
As a joke, I showed my girlfriend how quickly I could set up the ratings protections on my 360. I've NEVER looked at the system and I blocked M rated games from my gamer tag in about 20 seconds. It is exactly where you think it is (System Options) and works like you think (pick the things you're disallowing and click to confirm).
The system works, idiots. Use it.
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The system works, idiots. Use it.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 3:16PM xGeneral DEATHxDEETH82 said
That's what I've been screaming from the get-go. If parents just got a little more involved instead of saying "BLIMEY, I'M TOO OLD TO FIGURE OUT THIS CONTENT FILTER", they really have a lot of powerful tools at their disposal to keep graphic content off their kids' screens/speakers (in the home, at least).
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 5:05PM aristokrat said
It was easier to find before NXE (my girlfriend is now intimidated when navigating the dashboard), but still, I agree with you.
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Posted: Nov 9th 2009 2:56PM kenny goo said
Where in the fuck are guys like this over in the US?
Ugh. Anyway. While I don't belong to any Facebook groups at the moment, I'm joining this, just to give some visual representation of support, however irrelevant it may actually be in the large scheme of things.
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Ugh. Anyway. While I don't belong to any Facebook groups at the moment, I'm joining this, just to give some visual representation of support, however irrelevant it may actually be in the large scheme of things.
Posted: Nov 9th 2009 3:17PM Gaming Expert said
I normally don't like politicians but I like this Tom Watson.
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