Speaking at the Montreal International Game Summit, developers spoke out against the practice trying to scam the ESRB out of a lower rating. "They say to the ESRB that it's a Teen rating rather than a Mature to try and sell more; you can do this just by sending them a video that doesn't show the most violent stuff and then you'll get the rating that you want rather than the rating you should get," said Rémi Racine, the CEO of Wet developer A2M, according to Edge. "Maybe getting your game out at a certain rating will help that game, but it's really not going to help the industry as a whole."
For its part, the ESRB says that it regularly checks up on games post-release, and those publishers who try to cheat their way into a lower rating could be slapped with a $1 million fine.
So, while cheaters may never prosper, when it comes to those who try and cheat the ESRB, the axiom might more accurately be "Cheaters may prosper, but only for a little while, and not even really at all in the grand scheme of things." Yeah, you're right, it lacks some punch. But you get the idea.
Reader Comments (73)
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:22PM PlatinumSkeet said
The original Halo had it's rating changed from T to M...
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:45PM (Unverified) said
Yeah, I've got a promotional ad for Halo with the "T" logo on it.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 6:39PM Tiptup300 said
I'm just upset we still don't have a rated "R" rating. M is < R and AO > R. I really love what MW2 did. The No Russian mission was fantastic. I've always wanted games to be allowed to make the player feel un-nerved or uneasy.
I'm probably going to spontaneously combust for saying this, but, Thank you Activision, thank you for disturbing me.
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I'm probably going to spontaneously combust for saying this, but, Thank you Activision, thank you for disturbing me.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:33PM DeepFriedSushi said
i feel like sony might have done this with uncharted 2 considering it got a T rating.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:36PM Special Agent Steve said
Yeah, I just noticed that it did. Hmmm, that probably did help the sales a small amount.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:42PM (Unverified) said
From what I've heard of ESRB policy, if the first gets one rating, they just slap the same rating on the sequel.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:54PM (Unverified) said
Really? U2 had constant swearing and violence. How could it be a teen?
I live in the UK and age ratings are done by numbers, games like L4D and Bioshock are 18's (highest) whilst games like Halo are 15/16's. But pisses me off that MW2 is an 18 >_>
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I live in the UK and age ratings are done by numbers, games like L4D and Bioshock are 18's (highest) whilst games like Halo are 15/16's. But pisses me off that MW2 is an 18 >_>
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:00PM WiredKnight said
There was NOT that much swearing at all in U2. I don't think anyone ever says "fuck" throughout the whole game.
But I am curious about the violence. It seems that the violence and blood effects are on par with games like Call of Duty and Halo (rated M), maybe it's because the context is different. Playing an Indiana Jones type character fighting to survive I guess makes it a liiiiittle more okay.
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But I am curious about the violence. It seems that the violence and blood effects are on par with games like Call of Duty and Halo (rated M), maybe it's because the context is different. Playing an Indiana Jones type character fighting to survive I guess makes it a liiiiittle more okay.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:13PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
uhhh you can say shit a few times in a Rated T game....just like you can in a rated PG-13 movie...
Uncharted 2 didn't even use it that much....there was NO blood all over the place...why would it have got a M rating? "Gratuitous Treasure slinging"?
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Uncharted 2 didn't even use it that much....there was NO blood all over the place...why would it have got a M rating? "Gratuitous Treasure slinging"?
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:20PM WiredKnight said
The blood still pretty much jumps out of their bodies when you shoot them though.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:26PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
its not that much blood tho... no blood puddling no smears....that all goes into account....
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:27PM TheDarkWayne said
i dont understand the M rating for Halo or CoD either. In WaW maybe cause they added decapitations, leg explosions and what not but i havent ever seen that in MW2. And Halo, man, they dont even say fuck or shit, and the blood is just blood, no head explosions or maiming like other games.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:38PM (Unverified) said
I've even seen parent groups (shock) question Halo's M rating. Quite a few people feel that, at least, 3 didn't deserve it.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:39PM WiredKnight said
In CoD the blood splatters on walls behind enemies, same with Halo. I think the death animations in CoD are also a lot more visceral and realistic.
Like I said, I think context has a lot to do with it as well.
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Like I said, I think context has a lot to do with it as well.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:40PM WiredKnight said
@Bradwart
But on that topic, I am just fine with having fewer teens playing it online.
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But on that topic, I am just fine with having fewer teens playing it online.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 9:20PM Jacksons said
@DeepFriedSushi
First thing I did when I read this article, ctrl+F "Uncharted" It may not be as brutal as other games, but you're still shooting humans in the head with blood spatter. And when you compare it to other games with T ratings, example, the original Ratchet and Clank, it really doesn't make any sense at all.
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First thing I did when I read this article, ctrl+F "Uncharted" It may not be as brutal as other games, but you're still shooting humans in the head with blood spatter. And when you compare it to other games with T ratings, example, the original Ratchet and Clank, it really doesn't make any sense at all.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:35PM (Unverified) said
When has this happened?
You can't blame Hot Coffee, as that wasn't a developer released patch.
I'm confused...
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You can't blame Hot Coffee, as that wasn't a developer released patch.
I'm confused...
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:37PM (Unverified) said
I've seen games that were rated incorrectly, yes. But it was always too high. For example, Halo 3 really doesn't deserve that M rating. Putting it in the same class as GTA and company?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:27PM (Unverified) said
I thought it was K-A, for Kompletely Abominable
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 6:47PM (Unverified) said
Darth: I thought that rating wasn't in use. They replaced it with E for...
I'm thinking of something...
E's an idiot?
Nope, got nuthin'.
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I'm thinking of something...
E's an idiot?
Nope, got nuthin'.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:39PM The Wicker Man said
Rating systems are the Emperor's New Clothes.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:45PM B3astofthe3ast said
What game got a lower rating than it deserves? Batman maybe?
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:51PM B3astofthe3ast said
I'm not sure, that game seemed to be very very dark and adult themed.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:57PM Erluti said
"Adult Themed" shouldn't mean the same thing as "high maturity rating". The ratings are to make us aware of content, so people can not expose kids to inappropriate content. But media can be "for adults" without including nakedness, swearing, or extreme/realistic violence.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:02PM WiredKnight said
Like Nightmare Before Christmas. It's a pretty dark premise, and it's "appropriate" for kids, but really it appeals more to an older audience.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:48PM Jaclo said
I remember finding it surprising that Uncharted: Drake's Fortune only had an M rating. I personally felt that the T rating was accurate, but I was surprised nonetheless.
Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard is rated T and it doesn't have any blood at all.
Personally, I think the ESRB aren't very good at rating games.
For example, any game with nudity gets an automatic M, but blood and violence (a la the first Uncharted) can still be rated T.
Which would you rather your kids see in real life? Someone getting shot or some boobies?
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Eat Lead: The Return of Matt Hazard is rated T and it doesn't have any blood at all.
Personally, I think the ESRB aren't very good at rating games.
For example, any game with nudity gets an automatic M, but blood and violence (a la the first Uncharted) can still be rated T.
Which would you rather your kids see in real life? Someone getting shot or some boobies?
Posted: Nov 19th 2009 5:52PM IrateGamer said
That topic is parodied in the South Park episode "Good Times with Weapons" by the way
I don't understand it either; why would parents rather let their children see how to kill humans instead of how to make humans?
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I don't understand it either; why would parents rather let their children see how to kill humans instead of how to make humans?
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:49PM Quack2TheFuture said
Arkham Asylum seemed like it might have deserved an M. There's a lot of murder for a T rated game in there.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:56PM LaughingMan11 said
That's true... there are psychopaths in the asylum and lots of people die in the course of the game, but it's worth pointing out that Batman does not kill. He is very unique among action adventure protagonists in this regard... compared to Batman, Nathan Drake, with his massive body count, is a genocidal maniac...
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 4:58PM Jaclo said
I'm really surprised that anyone felt that Batman possibly deserved an M rating. It had very little blood, very little language, no nudity.......
A T-rating was just right for that game.
Consider films....The MPAA rated Titanic PG-13 (the equivalent of a T-rating), even though it had full-frontal nudity and a sex scene.
I feel as though a game should only be rated M if it has lots of blood, gore, sex, and/or drug usage.
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A T-rating was just right for that game.
Consider films....The MPAA rated Titanic PG-13 (the equivalent of a T-rating), even though it had full-frontal nudity and a sex scene.
I feel as though a game should only be rated M if it has lots of blood, gore, sex, and/or drug usage.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:03PM jayrockslife said
Yeah thats one thing about Batman.. He never kills his foes, only incapacitates them.
Going off on a tangent.. thats one thing I didn't like about the Burton Batman movies.. They end up killing off most of the enemies that were showed.
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Going off on a tangent.. thats one thing I didn't like about the Burton Batman movies.. They end up killing off most of the enemies that were showed.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:24PM LaughingMan11 said
@jay
I know! Over Halloween weekend, I watched Batman and Batman Returns. In one scene he totally blows a goon up with a bomb. Gahh!
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I know! Over Halloween weekend, I watched Batman and Batman Returns. In one scene he totally blows a goon up with a bomb. Gahh!
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:30PM (Unverified) said
I haven't watched the Burton Batman films in so long...I prefer to forget the older ones existed.
Nipple suit Batman was a career low.
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Nipple suit Batman was a career low.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 5:08PM WiredKnight said
This is also troublesome because here we are, fighting the good fight, trying to get parents involved with what their kids are experiencing, trying to get them to pay fucking attention to the ratings and decide what's appropriate and what's not. Getting them to realize that not all games are for kids and the developers aren't to blame and that it's wrong to censor mature games for the benefit of children who shouldn't be playing them in the first place. And now here we find some developers are subverting the whole process! Thanks a lot guys for undermining the whole system.
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