A column in the Washington Examiner explores the continuing intersection of the military and gaming -- actually, can we call it a long-standing rotary, with concepts and people coming in from all different directions and popping out randomly? Anyway, one of the more interesting parts is the reference to a 2008 MIT study, which apparently found that 30 percent of Americans aged 16 to 24 had a more "positive impression" of the Army due to the America's Army video game. The game also impacted recruitment more than all other forms of Army advertising combined.
Later in the piece, an Air Force colonel is quoted as saying that young recruits are "naturals" when it comes to flying the Predator drones, but that he had concerns about the video game generation "distorting the reality of [war] from the virtual nature." In other words, while video games granted the pilots their skills, it also made it harder for them to weigh the consequences of their actions. But considering it's real life and a job, wouldn't it be the boss's role to tell them "game over" (er, discharged!) if they were inclined to take the drone on a joyride to blast buildings willy-nilly?
[Via GamePolitics]
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:04PM (Unverified) said
Well, considering some of the implementations use 360 controllers to fly these things...
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:07PM (Unverified) said
I can't wait for people to use this as evidence of how 'Americans are violent' and 'The army is brainwashing kids!'.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 11:11PM (Unverified) said
Hmm...interesting. A DualShock 3 would be better suited, I think, though.
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Posted: Nov 19th 2009 3:26AM smcn said
In late October there was an interview on NPR's Fresh Air with Jane Mayer, who wrote about the drone program in The New Yorker. It turns out one of the Army's best drone pilots is a 19-year-old high school dropout.
The full transcript of the interview is here: http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=113996743
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The full transcript of the interview is here: http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=113996743
Posted: Nov 19th 2009 8:13AM (Unverified) said
I don't know if it was for predator drones, but in an ad for the British Army (over here in the UK) they were using an Xbox 360 controller for something.
Xbox 360 best controller - confirmed :P
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Xbox 360 best controller - confirmed :P
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:05PM Special Agent Steve said
Man, I could totally fucking do that.
After all, I am a special agent.
And my name is Steve.
And I play Videogames.
And I like planes.
And I like cookies.
Where am I?
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After all, I am a special agent.
And my name is Steve.
And I play Videogames.
And I like planes.
And I like cookies.
Where am I?
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:29PM Special Agent Steve said
Actually, I just predator droned your mum. And I didn't use a plane.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:37PM Manifest37 said
What exactly is the point of a UAV. Is it only an excuse to give you points?
It really doesn't do anything, right?
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It really doesn't do anything, right?
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 11:04PM aristokrat said
Unless like everyone else they have cold-blooded on.
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Posted: Nov 19th 2009 1:02AM Puertoricarious said
sly: what? UAVs are pointless? some of us actually still shoot our enemies with our guns to get kills, you know. when i'm playing with friends we make sure our kill streaks mesh....some people with UAVs, some people without. that way those of us without UAVs can use the UAVs of their friends to help them get up to their first killstreak reward.
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Posted: Nov 19th 2009 6:52AM BananaBoat said
UAV's are only pointless if you are going for one of the higher killstreak rewards, and you aren't on prestige mode yet (which I'm told lets you have four killstreak rewards). If you do UAV, your options are somewhat limited when it comes to getting an AC130 or Helicopter Gunner. If you forego the UAV, you can get predator at 5, which should get you to pavelow at 9ish, which should get you the rest of the way to the AC130. Obviously you'd have to give up either the pavelow/harrier/etc or the predator in order to have the UAV though, which is sort of a killer.
Whatever the case, I've heard reports that there are predator pilots needing tons of therapy because of just how effective the drones are. With a camera pointed directly at what you are blowing up, it tends to be a lot more traumatic than blind firing around a corner and hitting something, or firing blind at a mountain side full of hidden enemies (which happens a lot in Afghanistan). I certainly wouldn't ever want to do it, but I realize that someone has got to.
My vote is for all the twelve year olds on Xbox Live that use the N word ten times a match while questioning my sexuality. I think predator drone piloting would man them up.
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Whatever the case, I've heard reports that there are predator pilots needing tons of therapy because of just how effective the drones are. With a camera pointed directly at what you are blowing up, it tends to be a lot more traumatic than blind firing around a corner and hitting something, or firing blind at a mountain side full of hidden enemies (which happens a lot in Afghanistan). I certainly wouldn't ever want to do it, but I realize that someone has got to.
My vote is for all the twelve year olds on Xbox Live that use the N word ten times a match while questioning my sexuality. I think predator drone piloting would man them up.
Posted: Nov 19th 2009 5:42PM Sly C said
"sly: what? UAVs are pointless? some of us actually still shoot our enemies with our guns to get kills, you know."
yeah, and what would you want after you get those kills? a thing that shows you where the enemies are so you can run to them and get killed by them, or something that gets to them and kills them for you so you can killstreak higher? i would personally choose the latter.
that's why i said it was a godsend in COD4. because there were no better options, so it helped us do the only thing we could do. hunt them down and kill em. now that we have tons of other much more useful killstreaks, it's pretty pointless, especially considering how heartbeat sensors are effectively personal UAVs.
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yeah, and what would you want after you get those kills? a thing that shows you where the enemies are so you can run to them and get killed by them, or something that gets to them and kills them for you so you can killstreak higher? i would personally choose the latter.
that's why i said it was a godsend in COD4. because there were no better options, so it helped us do the only thing we could do. hunt them down and kill em. now that we have tons of other much more useful killstreaks, it's pretty pointless, especially considering how heartbeat sensors are effectively personal UAVs.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:11PM snarfoogle said
Predators are so overpowered, they always kill me when I'm inside
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:13PM (Unverified) said
Right, they are overpowered because they can somehow go through concrete like a knife in butter.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:22PM (Unverified) said
I'm not very educated when it comes to missiles but I'm sure one wouldn't have a problem going through at least the roof on a building at impact.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:41PM TheDarkWayne said
really depends on the missile, some are designed to explode after theyve penetrated a building. The predators currently used by the US military use either Hellfires or Stingers which are primarily anti tank and anti air, respectively
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:47PM (Unverified) said
One of these will punch through concrete (and it's not the biggest one). The newest model is over four times more powerful.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-28
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:51PM (Unverified) said
Speaking of which, Bruce? Would you talk to Mr. Fox about getting us a few of these? Thanks.
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Posted: Nov 19th 2009 10:39AM Uphillbothways said
I just stay away from windows and doors when I see the predator incoming and I've yet to get killed by one when I thought I shouldn't have.
Now here's what pisses me off: Trying to get into a building with a predator coming down and there's some douche trying to get out the building and we just keep running into each other with neither of us able to get out of the door. And then we both die. People seriously need to have an eye on their radars...
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Now here's what pisses me off: Trying to get into a building with a predator coming down and there's some douche trying to get out the building and we just keep running into each other with neither of us able to get out of the door. And then we both die. People seriously need to have an eye on their radars...
Posted: Nov 19th 2009 1:08AM Puertoricarious said
this is great....and all i've done is enter my name!
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:19PM (Unverified) said
That...sounds extremely optimistic.
Why not just create a new Galactic Empire?
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Why not just create a new Galactic Empire?
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:25PM Misanthropic Gamer said
"In other words, while video games granted the pilots their skills, it also made it harder for them to weigh the consequences of their actions."
Really? Really?! For fuck sake. Anyone who has trouble telling the difference between fiction and reality shouldn't be piloting a fucking drone to begin with.
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Really? Really?! For fuck sake. Anyone who has trouble telling the difference between fiction and reality shouldn't be piloting a fucking drone to begin with.
Posted: Nov 18th 2009 10:38PM Dr Perry Ulysses Cox said
Weighing the consequences of their actions is different than being able to tell the difference between fiction and reality.
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Posted: Nov 18th 2009 11:46PM (Unverified) said
The deterioration of reality derives from a form of insanity. Normally a chemical imbalance in the brain.
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