You don't see nearly the amount of coverage of Second Life (or as we call it in these parts, PlayStation Home's creepy, aggressively pornographic uncle) these days as you used to, and BBC did a little digging to find out why. Their discovery? Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but Second Life sucks. It's overly complicated to control, it's full of some truly horrific human beings, there are many better social networking hubs and (perhaps most importantly) companies that sunk a bunch of money into it rarely got their investments back.
What the BBC seems to be implying is that Second Life was largely a media-created phenomenon, with journalists and public figures so smitten by the idea of a virtual world, no one stopped to notice that it was a wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Besides, everybody knows that HiPiHi is where it's at.
Reader Comments (97)
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:45AM HighFiveJesus said
yes i'm not sure how this is misleading. A female covered entirely in hair with a dog or horse head isn't really a good thing in the first place.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 2:06AM (Unverified) said
You know what would make a really good looking furry more attractive? Make it not a furry...
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 2:46PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
Not in the least, Mr. Pirate.
Look, as gross as I find furry pr0ns to be, I don't mind if others enjoy it. But, uh, keep it off of Joystiq, k? This isn't even the place to be posting any kind of pr0ns, anyways.
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Look, as gross as I find furry pr0ns to be, I don't mind if others enjoy it. But, uh, keep it off of Joystiq, k? This isn't even the place to be posting any kind of pr0ns, anyways.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:33AM (Unverified) said
The real reason SL has really lived this long is just mostly due to the fact that when they say "you can do anything!" they really mean YOU CAN DO ANYTHING. Build anything you want, script anything you want, and animate anything you want. True the interface is a bit clunky (and I'm not a huge fan of it) but I think it's a relatively small price to pay for a free virtual environment where I'm free to create just about anything I could imagine.
Though sadly it is true that having the ability to create anything means making good and bad things. But honestly the same can be said for the internet as a whole.
Also that screenshot doesn't do SL much justice these days really. It can look FAR better then that. But because almost everything in the world besides the land and some official areas are made by the people who interact with the world, no it doesn't look amazing. Some people in SL are REALLY talented though and produce models and textures that are pretty close to current-gen.
Though sadly it is true that having the ability to create anything means making good and bad things. But honestly the same can be said for the internet as a whole.
Also that screenshot doesn't do SL much justice these days really. It can look FAR better then that. But because almost everything in the world besides the land and some official areas are made by the people who interact with the world, no it doesn't look amazing. Some people in SL are REALLY talented though and produce models and textures that are pretty close to current-gen.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:44AM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
"...I'm free to create just about anything I could imagine."
Hold it. Trying to upload anything to Second Life costs 10 Linden Lab Fun Bucks. Which I think is worth a US penny... or a dime... or some insignificant amount... but it isn't free. You'd either have to pay them to have SL monies, or try earning in the virtual world somehow.
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Hold it. Trying to upload anything to Second Life costs 10 Linden Lab Fun Bucks. Which I think is worth a US penny... or a dime... or some insignificant amount... but it isn't free. You'd either have to pay them to have SL monies, or try earning in the virtual world somehow.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:55AM (Unverified) said
Actually you're right that I forgot only people with old enough accounts still get a bit of money every week. New players do indeed need a way to get money for uploading their own stuff.
However there is also a buttload of free content like textures or sculpted prims you can pick up if you really can't spare the cash. It's not as free as "free" but pretty damn close still. At least it's dirt cheap.
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However there is also a buttload of free content like textures or sculpted prims you can pick up if you really can't spare the cash. It's not as free as "free" but pretty damn close still. At least it's dirt cheap.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:37AM (Unverified) said
I got a second life whore once. It was like $4.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:45AM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said
Did you catch a computer virus from her?
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:51AM husher said
doggy style? oh yeh i went there.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:04AM serge808 said
Second Life was fun, but creating stuff was really confusing. I lost interest quick. I don't understand why it hasn't been shut down by now. I guess there are a lot of guys who like pixel chicks controlled by other dudes.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 2:59AM (Unverified) said
Since they shut down the Matrix Online, where else are we supposed to get our cyber-punk rave fix?
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 7:05AM LaughingTarget said
Your sister site, Massively, has a hard on for Second Life. They post something about it almost daily. Might want to tell them it's irrelevant.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 7:38AM RogueJedi86 said
The reason Massively covers Second Life so much is because it's the replacement for the original Second Life Insider blog in this network. Check out www.secondlifeinsider.com, you'll see the most recent post was 2 years ago, saying the new home is Massively. Plus SLI's columnists are the ones who post the SL news on Massively. So it's not really Massively having a hard on for SL.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 9:01AM LaughingTarget said
It probably stopped being updated because no one cared to read it. If Second Life was worth writing about, it would have its own site just like WoW Insider does. So, yes, they do have a hard-on for the game.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 7:09AM Muskie said
Hey, gongratulations on the Furry troling guys. your wonderful and well thought out comments about how Being a furry is abhorrent and wrong has made me see the light. I'm deleting all my furry friends and contacts, and moving forward as a plain old human who likes to bang chicks and drink beer.
NOT.
Seriously, joystiq. a little comment moderation might be nice.
NOT.
Seriously, joystiq. a little comment moderation might be nice.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:06PM HighFiveJesus said
You realize you always WERE a plain old human, and thats all you ever will be. sticking feathers up your ass does not make you a chicken, it just makes you a furry.
I doubt joystiq wants people to embrace the idea of pretending to be a wolf in heat, while your wolf buddy in the designer jeans takes you from behind, howls and draws what it looked like for all your little buddies to masturbate to.
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I doubt joystiq wants people to embrace the idea of pretending to be a wolf in heat, while your wolf buddy in the designer jeans takes you from behind, howls and draws what it looked like for all your little buddies to masturbate to.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:13PM The Pirate said
See, now i never understood this. All a furry is, is hentai! Not all people who like "HENTAI" are fucked up ya know.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 2:49PM (Unverified) said
People troll furries because it's easy, and all you're doing is proving that. No one would be objecting if you chaps wern't so indignant all the time!
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 3:39PM HighFiveJesus said
@pirate
these are furries
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/furry-4827.jpg
http://giwayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/furry.jpg
however those are opportunities rarely obtained by furry fans so they make the art as a way to pretend without really seeming like a crazy person in a costume. the perversion has just run rampent in the art especially since the concept of being around other furries leads to sexual acts. and if not, then they just draw the acts as a way to pretend, again.
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these are furries
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/furry-4827.jpg
http://giwayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/furry.jpg
however those are opportunities rarely obtained by furry fans so they make the art as a way to pretend without really seeming like a crazy person in a costume. the perversion has just run rampent in the art especially since the concept of being around other furries leads to sexual acts. and if not, then they just draw the acts as a way to pretend, again.
Posted: Nov 22nd 2009 5:08PM MickeyHusky said
@Freestyle Farfetchd
"No one would be objecting if you chaps wern't so indignant all the time!"
Way to generalise! If you generalised Africans, or Indians, or the French you'd be considered a racist, so why do you generalise furries?
THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME!
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"No one would be objecting if you chaps wern't so indignant all the time!"
Way to generalise! If you generalised Africans, or Indians, or the French you'd be considered a racist, so why do you generalise furries?
THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME!
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 8:36AM (Unverified) said
I played this game for an hour a couple of years ago. And in that hour i was ridiculed for improperly putting clothing on so it looked like i was wearing a box. So naturally i tried to pull it off like i was solid snake. The people that were hanging out in the quad or whatever decided to chase me around and somehow put a gian flashing neon sign above my head that said N00b. I definately needed a hug after that.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:24PM Freeballer said
reguarding furries; I don't think there's actually anyting wrong with fur persey.. Because some of use change our appearance or try things we could never do in real life. The REALLY dumb thing with furries and sl is the idea of "yiffing". Thats not even mentioning the bizzare body changes people do there.
I think the main problem is technical, support and outages. We all curse the lindens when it happens and we HOPE for a fix, it breaks again.. We HOPE for a fix
But then:
We have copyrigtht issues. Linden tries to fix, tries to fix.. Wait, no they didn't they tried to make it harder and when linden received many TOS violations they allowed it to continue.
We scream at them for bug fixes and instead they add features on top of other broken features, ontop of more. Its any wonder why its still working because I'd doubt anybody currently working there worked on original coding.
I think the main problem is technical, support and outages. We all curse the lindens when it happens and we HOPE for a fix, it breaks again.. We HOPE for a fix
But then:
We have copyrigtht issues. Linden tries to fix, tries to fix.. Wait, no they didn't they tried to make it harder and when linden received many TOS violations they allowed it to continue.
We scream at them for bug fixes and instead they add features on top of other broken features, ontop of more. Its any wonder why its still working because I'd doubt anybody currently working there worked on original coding.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 12:44PM Neowyrm said
That picture should explain everything, really.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:09PM RKN said
I wish things like drinking and smoking could be as ostracized as furry fandom. Sorry, I see nothing cool about drinking alcohol nor smoking.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 3:28PM (Unverified) said
You are right. Drinking and smoking Is not cool, It's fun as hell.
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Posted: Nov 22nd 2009 1:20PM (Unverified) said
why do you advertise your steam id? dont know body wanna play with you.. we too busy drinking and smoking
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Posted: Nov 23rd 2009 12:38PM (Unverified) said
lol iwas just playing around anyway =P
well about the nobody wanna play with you part..
even though alotta us are busy smoking/drinking =P
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well about the nobody wanna play with you part..
even though alotta us are busy smoking/drinking =P
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:26PM Muskie said
Eh? -looks at self in mirror- yup. human. I never said I wasn't. Doesen't mean I can't be something else on the internet, my friend.
Right now i'm running around Reinassance italy wearing a big white cloak killing people.
Later on I'm probably going to be tossing fireballs at dragonkin as a Gnome mage in Coldarra.
Just because when i'm web surfing, I pretend i'm an otter doesen't mean jack shit. cause you do very similar things. all the time.
Right now i'm running around Reinassance italy wearing a big white cloak killing people.
Later on I'm probably going to be tossing fireballs at dragonkin as a Gnome mage in Coldarra.
Just because when i'm web surfing, I pretend i'm an otter doesen't mean jack shit. cause you do very similar things. all the time.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:28PM Muskie said
It's called Role Playing, Nimrod. Get over it.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 1:39PM Muskie said
With regards to SL:
It's ambitious. it promised so much, gave us wonderful tools, and told us to go crazy. so we did. and what came out of it is a wondrous,lively world.
if you look past the endless deserted shopping malls.
it's just that the implementation of it COMPLETELY SUCKS BALLS.
You wanna know why it takes like, 2 minutes to download an AV? cause it has to download about 200-2000 Primitive objects, plus the instructions to modify them usign an incredibly simple set of rules, and then download the texture maps for the object.
And this is BEFORE the thousand lines of SLScript to make the damn eyes blink.
Call me when they redo the entire system using Procedural Generation, then i'll play again.
It's ambitious. it promised so much, gave us wonderful tools, and told us to go crazy. so we did. and what came out of it is a wondrous,lively world.
if you look past the endless deserted shopping malls.
it's just that the implementation of it COMPLETELY SUCKS BALLS.
You wanna know why it takes like, 2 minutes to download an AV? cause it has to download about 200-2000 Primitive objects, plus the instructions to modify them usign an incredibly simple set of rules, and then download the texture maps for the object.
And this is BEFORE the thousand lines of SLScript to make the damn eyes blink.
Call me when they redo the entire system using Procedural Generation, then i'll play again.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 2:37PM (Unverified) said
Ugh, yet again another article that only looks at one tiny part of Second Life instead of all the amazing things people have created in world. That has got to be the ugliest picture I have seen from SL in a long time. Gone are the days people see SL for the creative outlet it really is, and only notice the furries (and really, not all of them are bad. I see many "cute" ones that are not there for any sexual purpose), goreans, and adult content. Many of us just stay away from the adult content and other ahem, odd things you can find around the grid. And even so, SL is so open you really CAN do anything. People can roleplay however they wish. But to me it's more fun to explore the user created and owned sims or admire the work people have put into creating their own scripted roleplaying or shooting games. And I highly enjoy drawing in photoshop and selling my work in world, running my business like I have been for years. Second Life deserted? Not from my view.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 3:03PM The Blank Mage Returns said
I'd like to take a moment here to ask
WHY, JUSTIN?! YOU KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU USED THAT PICTURE! NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE WROUGHT!
WHY, JUSTIN?! YOU KNEW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU USED THAT PICTURE! NOW LOOK WHAT YOU'VE WROUGHT!
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 3:08PM SpideyBR said
MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS!
Second Life was NEVER a hit, it was pure HYPE.
Second Life was NEVER a hit, it was pure HYPE.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 4:11PM (Unverified) said
Today I learned the official definition of yiffing.... thanks for that.
Posted: Nov 21st 2009 4:41PM The Blank Mage Returns said
The internet will teach you things no one should have to learn.
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Posted: Nov 21st 2009 9:43PM Seb640 said
I've read a bit of the forum, and i think i know where is the
problem...
Brace yourself, a lot of 2-cent psychology here !
Mostly, the link that have been posted here to "promote" furries, are
pinups, "designed" in a way to arouse, entice ! Pinups, in my books,
are to be classified as "object", because of their sole purpose !
Nothing else is there but to be attractive, let it be man, women, or
nice stainless steel Refrigerators, it can be anything, but it must
be attractive !
It sound sexist, but it isn't ! Trust me, you'll need to, if you want
to go through what's to come...
To begin with, I can't get interested about a different way of life
with only ONE image and i don't expect anyone else to be...
It's the same as if i was trying to promote pure eating pleasure by
posting the picture of a bowl of caviar ; If you're not interested in
eating fish egg, even a bowl of Almas Beluga won't get you enticed
about it !
It's 24k gold container and 25 000$/Kg price tag might though...
because pretty much everyone CAN relate to monetary value, we all
live it ! (I Bet you googled this one ; Almas Beluga)
The way we relate to thing is mostly by comparison ; Things we've
felt before against similar thing we might feel (a car against
another car, quantity for price, etc..).
Same thing with arousal. By definition, sexual arousal is the arousal
of sexual desires in preparation for sexual behavior. The word we want
here is PREPARATION ; You know what's going to happen ! You remember
how it feels, as you've probably felt it before. You can relate !
What must be asked is ; To what, those who likes furry artwork,
relate to ?
It can be a personality trait, the souvenir of anything but it's not
present in those who don't "get" it ! Sometimes it's as simple as
Rock and Rap ; Personal tastes !
Relating is half the job done ! You see the pinup, your brain works
his magic, plays the "relation" game with whatever "furry" is tied
to, and there you are !
Or,
You see the pinups, you have nothing to relate to, your brain doesn't
even try to bother ; One picture haven't got nearly enough substance
to create anything from scratch you could relate to, and no magic is
done ; You don't care !
Then, there are others...who react with disgust and criticize, with
destructive opinions. Righteous twats i like to call them !
Amazingly, their reactions is very easy to understand ! It's pretty
much the same for every conflict between humans...
REJECTION !!!
For the basic instincts in all of us, someone not "embracing" your
truth, is rejecting you ! It's as simple as that ! Our basic
instincts are.. well, basic ! We learn to counter them to become
socially functional ! Haters, are different, because they don't
relate, they are not interested in anyway in this art, which is fine
! They probably wouldn't make any fuss if it weren't those that are
really into it, and proudly showing it !
This creates a difference of opinion and might even attack then in
their sexuality or on another personal level, if unstable about it.
Instead of filing theses differences of tastes under "Personal
Choice" and accept that, neither side is wrong, they decide that only
one shall achieve rightfulness !
They let their basic instincts take control ! And since the best form
of defense is attack, they engage a war...
Imagine conquered territory ; Someone who thinks like you, is an ally
to convert even more people into thinking like you, and in conquering,
what can't be conquered, must be vanquished !
(Hello 15th century religious crusades !).
Don't think that they are the only culprits though, as those who
responds to these acts, are just as guilty.
Solution ? There is none.
As long as there will be conquerers, you'll need defenders, we all
are, sometime, Righteous twats ; There are things worth fighting for
!
The only thing you can do is wisely choose your fights.
problem...
Brace yourself, a lot of 2-cent psychology here !
Mostly, the link that have been posted here to "promote" furries, are
pinups, "designed" in a way to arouse, entice ! Pinups, in my books,
are to be classified as "object", because of their sole purpose !
Nothing else is there but to be attractive, let it be man, women, or
nice stainless steel Refrigerators, it can be anything, but it must
be attractive !
It sound sexist, but it isn't ! Trust me, you'll need to, if you want
to go through what's to come...
To begin with, I can't get interested about a different way of life
with only ONE image and i don't expect anyone else to be...
It's the same as if i was trying to promote pure eating pleasure by
posting the picture of a bowl of caviar ; If you're not interested in
eating fish egg, even a bowl of Almas Beluga won't get you enticed
about it !
It's 24k gold container and 25 000$/Kg price tag might though...
because pretty much everyone CAN relate to monetary value, we all
live it ! (I Bet you googled this one ; Almas Beluga)
The way we relate to thing is mostly by comparison ; Things we've
felt before against similar thing we might feel (a car against
another car, quantity for price, etc..).
Same thing with arousal. By definition, sexual arousal is the arousal
of sexual desires in preparation for sexual behavior. The word we want
here is PREPARATION ; You know what's going to happen ! You remember
how it feels, as you've probably felt it before. You can relate !
What must be asked is ; To what, those who likes furry artwork,
relate to ?
It can be a personality trait, the souvenir of anything but it's not
present in those who don't "get" it ! Sometimes it's as simple as
Rock and Rap ; Personal tastes !
Relating is half the job done ! You see the pinup, your brain works
his magic, plays the "relation" game with whatever "furry" is tied
to, and there you are !
Or,
You see the pinups, you have nothing to relate to, your brain doesn't
even try to bother ; One picture haven't got nearly enough substance
to create anything from scratch you could relate to, and no magic is
done ; You don't care !
Then, there are others...who react with disgust and criticize, with
destructive opinions. Righteous twats i like to call them !
Amazingly, their reactions is very easy to understand ! It's pretty
much the same for every conflict between humans...
REJECTION !!!
For the basic instincts in all of us, someone not "embracing" your
truth, is rejecting you ! It's as simple as that ! Our basic
instincts are.. well, basic ! We learn to counter them to become
socially functional ! Haters, are different, because they don't
relate, they are not interested in anyway in this art, which is fine
! They probably wouldn't make any fuss if it weren't those that are
really into it, and proudly showing it !
This creates a difference of opinion and might even attack then in
their sexuality or on another personal level, if unstable about it.
Instead of filing theses differences of tastes under "Personal
Choice" and accept that, neither side is wrong, they decide that only
one shall achieve rightfulness !
They let their basic instincts take control ! And since the best form
of defense is attack, they engage a war...
Imagine conquered territory ; Someone who thinks like you, is an ally
to convert even more people into thinking like you, and in conquering,
what can't be conquered, must be vanquished !
(Hello 15th century religious crusades !).
Don't think that they are the only culprits though, as those who
responds to these acts, are just as guilty.
Solution ? There is none.
As long as there will be conquerers, you'll need defenders, we all
are, sometime, Righteous twats ; There are things worth fighting for
!
The only thing you can do is wisely choose your fights.
Posted: Nov 22nd 2009 10:29AM Faceless Troll said
Looks like the media finally stopped getting kickbacks from Second Life.
Posted: Nov 23rd 2009 11:20AM (Unverified) said
Why would you ever get involved with Second Life








