Supreme Commander 2 declares war in March, 2010

even then its no good, i mean the best console RTS is Halo wars, that game sucked balls when you compare it to not even the best PC RTS's. consoles have proven to be able to play FPS's and so on with reletive success, but for an RTS you need the mouse and keyboard combo. not until touch screen become compatible wioth console will we see a good RTS on a console.

Have you been playing games this generation? Yeah, RTSs are still a long ways from perfect (and a long ways from performing as well as their PC counterparts) but, for the most part, RTSs on consoles have been pretty decent. They are at least playable now, and somewhat intuitive. They've definitely dropped the frustration a lot since StarCraft 64. Hell, Red Alert 3 may as well be a next generation game compared to Battle for Middle Earth II as far as the controls being vastly improved.

I've played through just about every RTS on 360 (save for End War and Stormrise). I know I'm not getting the full experience, but I enjoyed playing them for the most part (Supreme Commander was a glitchy mess on 360). Keep the console RTSs coming, they just keep getting better.

It's not so much poorly optimized as it is overly ambitious. You see, Supreme Commander simulates every single action in physics--there's no dice rolling with your hits. If you see that it hit, it hit; if you see that it missed, it missed. The problem is that when you have 500+ units on the field, all of them firing ballistics, you're simulating thousands of objects at once, plus each unit has its own individual AI. That was just too taxing for most 2007 hardware to handle.

Didn't have a problem playing Supreme Commander, or Crysis on my machine. Ran fine, even when I was going all out, this is simply on a E8500 Wolfdale, and a GF260GTX V1.

@ Einhander,

Yeah, I know all that. I can't get it to run over 20 FPS even when there's only like three buildings on the map. There's something sadly broken in that game.

Also, Total Annihilation did the same thing with physics-based projectiles, and it ran great back in the day.

@ Everyone else,

Why bury me down for? Because I mentioned piracy?

The processor is everything for this game. Going from a slow dual-core to quad was like night and day. But even a fast dual-core should be fine.

"Because I can't spell"...?

That's painful.

Yeah! Best year in gaming! Look at all those original games, new ideas and fresh approaches.... oh wait, i've already played all those games. Maybe i have a time machine in my brain....

@ t_m,

Says the guy with GLADOS as is avatar. You know portal was a spinoff of the Half-Life games, right? Innovation *can* happen inside established series, fyi.

All I know is that list contains the sequel to the best RPG I've eve played AND Badass: The Game. Coupled with Lost Planet 2 and Dead Rising 2 and t_m can just GTFO.