Valve addresses Left 4 Dead 2 server lag on Xbox 360

Indeed it isn't, Wayne.

Haven't really experienced lag here, just really god damn retarded partners who think it's fine to run off alone really far ahead, then complain when the horde attacks them.

Wish I had more controllers for local :(

Even if there is no more lag, L4D2 still=crap

I'd just like to know what Vcize has to say on the issue. Not to single him out but anytime a PS3 game has even a smidgen of an issue with the online portion of the game he's always saying "see thats why PSN sucks and every PS3 game that launches has major problems." Yet, when it happens to a game on the 360 alas he is nowhere to be found or the issue is pacified.

recent examples:

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/11/ps3-modern-warfare-2-experiencing-multiplayer-issues-patch-expe/comments/23025268/comments/23025268/

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/11/ps3-modern-warfare-2-experiencing-multiplayer-issues-patch-expe/comments/23026611/

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/11/ps3-modern-warfare-2-experiencing-multiplayer-issues-patch-expe/comments/23027075/

I still think $3/mo is a fair price for cross-game party chat alone. I'll shut up when they finally bring it to the PSN, but until then the multiplats are being bought on the console that has it.

Because I buy my cards when I see deals. My last 2 cards were $35/each for 13 months. $35/12 = $2.90

no you're just the idiots claiming it's perfect because it's free and dragging it into every fucking article.

I think what a lot of the joystiq fan boys don't understand is that most people complaining about this review are not fanboys of L4D2. They're just gamers who are utterly shocked by the podcast and review. A lot of my friends who read it are certainly not L4D fanboys, but felt angry just reading the review because it wasn't a review. It was just Chris Grant bitching about how he can't aim quick enough to kill zombies. It's not like the AI is super duper smart. They're zombies, they just run at you and attack you. thus you shoot or melee them. I don't play on expert, I play on normal. and get through the campaigns fine. As do most people who bought the game. The fact that Chris Grant or at least the joystiq team can't get through it on normal. either mean they all suck at the game, or they should never play with Chris grant. I love joystiq, I usually credit there reviews highly and I listen to the podcast every week. But really Chris you should stay away from the games like your usual practice and let a real gamer review the games.

u know wat i think is hard? ...besides my penis.

jerking off and watching porn and not cumming withing 10 minutes.

why do they make it 30 minutes long? i never get to the end!

No, but I only payed $220 for my PS3 so I'm pretty happy with it. However, there's no cross-game party chat, so while PSN is free, it's not very useful to me and I much prefer to play my games on my 360 because of that. Even if I was paying $50/year for xbox live, I wouldn't care, because it's an option the PSN just doesn't offer, at any price.

I still think $4.16/mo is a fair price for cross-game party chat alone. I'll shut up when they finally bring it to the PSN, but until then the multiplats are being bought on the console that has it.

Happy? It doesn't change a thing. I don't give a shit about the price, it's about the features and the experience I get out of it, that the free alternative is unable to match.

I use XBL to keep in touch with fiends that have gone off to different colleges. We get on live, join a party, talk for a bit and usually all get into a game of Gears or COD. And when we want to play together it's ridiculously simple and easy. Not so much on the ps3. Because I use this feature EVERY TIME I turn on my xbox, it's pretty vital to online play for me. If you don't use your console for the same purposes, then be glad you have the PSN which is free and doesn't charge for them. $4 is less than some people pay for coffee every day, and it's not a big deal for me considering what I get out of it. I still have money to spend on all the games I want. $4 a month really doesn't put a huge dent in my gaming funds when your average game costs $60. I mean, shit, that doesn't even cover tax.

Why do you care so much about how other people spend their money? Is it because you're such a fuckin fanboy? Dark Wayne isn't going to show you where you've dragged this bullshit into every article, but he really doesn't have to. Almost every post I've seen from you is about how much of a PS3 fanboy you are, and I'm sure the whole reason you set your profile to private is so that it's harder for people to call you on it.

@ CaramelZappa

This day and age, it’s my own and many others opinion that a third party developer, especially one like Valve, should be able to support both 360 and PS3. The reason why the Orange Box port on PS3 was inferior is because it got handed off to an incapable studio at EA with no support from Valve. It doesn’t have shit to do with difficulty of production.

Here’s the deal, the Source engine is written in C++. In comparison, so was the engine Infamous was developed on, so obviously the PS3 can play games that run C++ without too much of a problem. Infamous was far from top of the line graphically, but it was a good looking game with few technical problems. With modification, the Source engine can run just as well on PS3 as it can on 360, and it’s not gonna take Valve’s entire 250 man dev team to do it.

This isn’t about supporting my platform of choice. The fact of the matter is I have a 360 and a PS3, and I probably won’t even be getting L4D2 until sometime next year, but it’s the topic and the principle of this that annoy me. If a developer is being paid to make a game exclusive, or is getting special support to make a game exclusive, that’s one thing, but Valve themselves has said they’re choosing not to support the PS3 and have gone out of their way to trash talk it.

The small scale downloadable space is a little different with me. I don’t really have the same expectations since the space is still growing, licensing is very different, development teams are smaller, budgets are smaller, and it’s hard to see who’s getting money for what. That may seem hypocritical to you, and I won’t argue with you if you feel that way, since I can understand you saying that, but that’s just how I feel about things.

The Wii is in a strange boat as well. Given the lack of technological power, the control scheme, and the user base, I don’t really expect any third party developer making 360/PS3/PC games to port to the Wii, Valve included. It’d be hard to downscale L4D to the Wii, the control scheme would be an issue, and it’s been proven that many hardcore games don’t sell *at all* on the Wii. On the other hand, Uncharted 2 topped the NPDs last month. Some type of Wii support would be smart, but it's not make or break in my books.

Bottom line is, I think that in order for Valve to be as competent and well versed as most of the third party dev community, they should be supporting the PS3.

I know the history of the Half Life on Dreamcast thing. I remember my uncle (the one who taught me to play HL1) talking about how he might get one if they do KB/M support and have online play. Then it got canceled when the Dreamcast tanked, leaked online, and then the PS2 got the port (with KB/M support) the year later.

And I know that Blue Shift was a Gearbox developed game. So was Opposing Force, the PS2 version that included Decay, and the canceled Dreamcast version. I actually specifically didn’t say that Valve had a direct hand in any of those ports because I think their first real console project was Orange Box on 360, though their games have been on the consoles for years. That was the point I was trying to make.

About god damn time.

haha. the only problem with playing on expert is u need 4 guys that actully know what there doing. not people like the above mentioned lol. but ya experts not that hard, id say the one i had a hard time with was the finale in carnival. thats it tho

oh ya. and the xbox is gay. y would anyone buy an xbox. waste of money. lol. this game is much better on pc