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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said

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this website is so shady. as a member who now has to go through hoops to cancel, I hope it gets shut down.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:27PM R V said

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oh I hope so too. They have been worthless, only screwing us over. I don't see why anyone would want to be a member anymore. Bastards are making me pay for certified letters.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:36PM profeteer said

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And I fell for it. I knew I shouldn't have trusted a company with a cock shaped logo.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:52PM mywhitenoise said

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I hope it gets more than just shut down, hopefully it turns into a class action lawsuit and they have to pay out the ass.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 4:47PM Bolts said

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Am I going to have to start buying pre-paid disposable check cards to do all my online transactions safely now?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 6:01PM ch3burashka said

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Also, they have the MOST pretentious booth at PAX.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:04PM s ls said

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Thank you for posting they Joystiq. ECA is a scam, and shouldnt be trusted. They claim to fight for gamers yet they screw them over and use them.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:05PM s ls said

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this*
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:05PM Peter Moore said

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That's bullshit. I'm usually against going to court to solve all your problems, but that should be grounds for a lawsuit.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:06PM (Unverified) said

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unfortunately it sounds too legal to sue, but something should be done?

I'm not a member, but would anyone be interested in starting an angry mob?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:11PM HappyFunBall said

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/grabs pitchfork
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:11PM s ls said

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CAG is going nuts, many people are trying to do something about this. ECA reputation is ruined and they'll never be able to recover from this which is good enough for me. Serves them right.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:28PM Temidien said

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Solace, what's your CAG tag?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:41PM s ls said

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I don't post there just check for deals and such.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:55PM sqlrob said

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Didn't AOL get dinged over something similar? An AG may still take it up.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:07PM Temidien said

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Got about a month of an awesome Amazon discount, saving me over a hundred bucks on games, before this was stopped owing to abuses. CAG is aflame with discussion about why it was taken away, most citing users generating more discount codes than they needed (stockpiling) and taking advantage of glitches that allowed them to stack the codes.

As great as it was, I'd rather it was all taken back than have to see honest folks stripped of their cash because of cancellation issues.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:10PM (Unverified) said

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This article missed another key point about canceling by snail mail, per the ECA's policies:

"12. Receipt of Mail. ECA cannot guarantee that it receives any mail that Member claims to have sent. Member should, at Member’s own expense, send any notices to ECA in a form to ensure to Member that their communication arrived at ECA, which form may include but not be limited to FedEx, UPS, USPS Return Receipt Requested and USPS Certified Mail."

Meaning that they can just take your letter, throw it away, and deny they ever received it unless you use some sort of traceable correspondence. Awesome.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:26PM sunfiredragon said

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Exactly. So effing shady...
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:10PM Kyammi said

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Kudos to Joystiq for picking this up. I am also signed up on ECA, and hopefully this issue will be resolved by the time my sub expires.

I have a feeling the ECA could face some serious criminal charges if they keep up these practices, other such corporations who have acted similarly have.

It's a shame that a consumer group should act worse than the companies and politicians...
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:12PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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its bullshit...I signed up back in June or July....and NEVER got a SINGLE DISCOUNT CODE for AMAZON....

its ok tho.....I have since gotten a new visa check card....so I don't even have to worry about it trying to auto renew...
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:23PM Liquidfox00 said

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When they can't auto-renew your fees because the card is no longer active they will send the charge to collections thus ruining your credit score. You're not out of hot water yet.

Send them a registered letter. It costs five bucks.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:38PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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I've been doing that for 5 years with various magazine subscriptions....hell even the notorious Columbia House DVD membership........have yet to see anything on my credit.....I'm good
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:54PM aristokrat said

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I'm curious about this as well. I signed up with a Virtual account number (which now no longer exists), so that they could not auto-renew, but am now worried about the collections threat. I only got 2 codes (one used to great effect on my MW2 prestige edition).
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 4:37PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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I would be VERY surprised if they could pull that off when the Great Columbia House never put shit on my credit....and I have fucked them over like 4 times
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:12PM (Unverified) said

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This kind of bs will ensure that we wont be able to have a proper organization going for a while, since no one would trust another "ECA".
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:19PM cantbeatmegaman said

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WTF?! I was sad that the Amazon deal went away but I was supporting a good cause. But if they're pulling this crap, screw them!!
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:25PM sunfiredragon said

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Exactly. So effing shady...
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:26PM sunfiredragon said

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Comment fail...blah blah blah
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:27PM (Unverified) said

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Gupta's Law of Anomalies applies here.

"If it sounds too good to be true it always is."

I feel bad for the people. Now they have to visit the... *shudders* ...post office.

You'll find workers like this there.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/newman-seinfeld-post-office.jpg
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:28PM DonaldMick said

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And how about this little nugget from their T&Cs:

"If the credit card provided by Member to ECA has expired during an attempt to bill fees per section 4, ECA will revise the expiration date and proceed with billing using the same credit card account."

So basically, they'll either carpetbomb your credit card with different dates or go by the 3 year-standard and keep right on going. Isn't this illegal?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:29PM (Unverified) said

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Probably. It depends-the regulations were just revised this year.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 3:43PM Vidikron said

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Wow... that should be illegal if it's not. How could guessing someone's CC information be legal?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:51PM GordoJones88 said

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They stopped with the Amazon discount codes because CAGs were severely abusing the system to their own advantage.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:31PM Courtney said

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There goes their reputation with gamers.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:34PM carg0 said

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this has been happening for decades, companies trying to sneak in fees for "services" supposedly rendered because they know a lot of people, especially the elderly, do not read their own credit card bill's. or fail to question when they see a suspicious charge.

our gov't allows these companies to pull this sh*t until enough consumers start complaining. until then, they simply claim ignorance because the credit card companies (like the Oil and Pharmaceutical companies) are the one's with all the money.

all i can say is PAY ATTENTION whenever your asked to provide your email address from any company that ALREADY HAS YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO when signing up for anything they might "recommend". they can then take that address and use that as permission to give out your CC number to whatever service you thought was free. like i said, this has been happening for decades.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:34PM (Unverified) said

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The fact that a consumer advocacy organization would resort to such nefarious tactics is disgusting. Shame on the ECA. Know what else is interesting? 'stiq stopped their guest post from the GamePolitics editor after a previous accusation of a lack of journalistic integrity when they were slagging the ESA in 2008...

Sketchy
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:38PM (Unverified) said

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Yay, I signed up for a 'free' account a few months back too! I'd be more pissed if they weren't in such a shitstorm right now...can't wait to be witness to the aftermath.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:40PM Erluti said

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OOOOOOHHH. I finally see it!
The logo is a big C with an E in one side and an A nestled in the other.
I couldn't figure out why their logo was an ugly drawing of a plug for a long time.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 7:29PM ipsum said

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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:53PM Nebenator said

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I bought my year membership for $20. In one week I find out it became free. The next week they stop making Amazon codes. And now I can't cancel my membership.
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Posted: Dec 3rd 2009 2:17AM scoville said

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Pretty much the same here.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:09PM ECVOICE said

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The ECA had really better come clean with its practices, AND with the disappearance of the Amazon Discount Code, which is still listed on their site (though "no longer available").

Their continued silence damns them further in the eyes of their supporters.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:17PM ProtagonistZero said

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I love how they say that it only appeared for "some browsers." That's not how websites work. If it's on one browser, it's on them all. This is all just BS that they're telling people. And IF their claim that it only appeared on "some browsers" is true, then it must have just been all the major ones, cause I use Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome, and it was there on all of them.

This company is playing games with it's customers, and deserves to get it's ass burned.

I love how they still list the Amazon discount under "Membership Benefits" with the caption that it's no longer available. If someone took the time to put that it wasn't available anymore, why not just REMOVE IT completely?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 4:46PM (Unverified) said

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Actually bryan you can write certain code in css so it will only appear on some web browsers.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:27PM Vcize said

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This is why you use virtual credit cards for subscription based services.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:56PM CaramelZappa said

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Good call.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 3:15PM Evi1d33d said

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Yup, I knew something like this is gonna happen so I used disposable Paypal cards.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:39PM ProtagonistZero said

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I also love how they say that they have grown too large to accept email as a valid way to cancel because too many people would be emailing them. Doesn't it take the same amount of people to read an email as it does to read a snail mail? And wouldn't an automated solution on their website eliminate all cancellation hasle?
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:43PM snakegriffin said

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TREE KILLERS!
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:40PM (Unverified) said

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Twitter hashtag: #theECAsucks
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