In an attempt to bolster its ranks with thrifty members of the gaming community, the Entertainment Consumers Association recently partnered with a few online retailers to offer its members some nice deals on video games, including a pretty sweet discount on purchases from Amazon. To accompany these offers, the ECA had its own spectacular deal: One free year of membership, which would normally cost $19.99. All applicants had to do was provide their credit card information, sign up and enjoy the discounts that were being passed along to ECA members.
Sadly, this is where the idyllic tale begins to go south. Shortly after the ECA began offering the free year of membership, the Amazon offer mysteriously disappeared. This drew the ire of the group's new members, but would be quickly forgotten when the option to cancel the auto-renewal of the membership fee, through the ECA's website, also vanished without a trace. An ECA forum moderator explained the option only appeared "for some browsers, but it wasn't intended to be there, wasn't a working option and was removed as soon as we became aware."
Now, users who were drawn in by these discounts can only cancel their memberships (and subsequent annual $20 fees) by sending a letter directly to the ECA's accounting department (the address is posted after the jump). What's worse, those who canceled their auto-renewal plans with the temporarily available online option could still be locked into the annual fee, if the moderator's claim that it "wasn't a working option" is accurate. We've contacted the ECA to find out if anything is being done to inform these honorable, due-paying members that they're still, you know, due-paying members.
Update: ECA president Hal Halpin issued a statement in response to the complaints, the full transcript for which can be found after the jump. He explains that the Amazon deal was taken down due to an exploit the ECA's new members found within the offer. He adds that simultaneously, the ECA updated its site as part of a "long planned for Content Management System upgrade," at which point they found a non-functioning feature which "looked to give some members the option to opt-out of the association." The option, which Halpin claims was never functional, was quickly removed.
[Thanks to everyone who sent this in!]
To cancel the ECA auto-renewing membership fee payment, mail a written request to:
Attn: Accounting
ECA
64 Danbury Road, Suite 700
Wilton, CT 06897-4406
ECA president Hal Halpin's response:
We were disheartened to read some of the coverage and comments related to complaints regarding our member cancellation policies this morning. The issue seems to have begun following a guest article that I penned a few months ago, where I highlighted the various policy issues that gamers should be aware of – from Net Neutrality and Universal Broadband to Digital Rights Management (DRM) and End User License Agreements (EULAs). I concluded the piece by providing those who had taken the time to diligently read the article with a coupon code, encouraging them to sign up for a free trial membership... the logic being that we'd like to have readers who care about the issues among our ranks. For about four weeks following the publishing, we had a small bump in new member acquisition, but they were not coming from the article, unfortunately. These new members were coming from websites and forums that were solely promoting the coupon code, sans important reading.
Within a relatively short period of time, some of the new members found an exploit in one of our partners' promotional codes and spread the word. The partner tried to resolve the situation, during which time we removed any references to the program, but ultimately it was decided that the offer be terminated. We advised members as soon as we were aware and reassured them that we were working on additional offers with new partners. We updated our website during the same timeframe in a long planned for Content Management System upgrade and an inactive back-end feature became visible, which looked to give some members the option to opt-out of the association. We were alerted to the error and removed the non-functioning feature immediately. Because it was viewable and then removed, those same few members became concerned that it was a feature that had been live all along and was suddenly removed. We then attempted to explain the situation and allay their concerns.
There were then concerns about the auto-renew structure of our payment system and business model related to that same function. We explained that we are working on ramping up infrastructure to become more automated going forward, but due to a small but active number of members who were repeatedly joining, leaving and re-joining the organization – in an effort to exploit our member benefits and unduly take advantage of our partners' generous offers – we would require a mailed letter, as per our membership agreement. Needless to say, that incensed the exploiters who then contacted the Better Business Bureau (BBB) and their personal banks to report that we attained their membership under fraudulent conditions, in effect committing fraud themselves. Upon investigating the opened investigations, the respective banks and BBB all found ECA to be soundly reputable. We understand that several of the banks have since opened fraud investigations into their customers and that they take such matters very seriously.
Over the past few years, membership in the ECA has grown substantially, the primary reason for which is directly attributable to the important work done by the association, partnerships formed with coalitions, parallel trade associations and corporations, all eager to help defend the rights of game consumers. We have added many valuable benefits for members including discounts on games-related goods and services, purchases and rentals and a whole host of additional affinity benefits. We have several retail partners who offer significant promotions and several more, which are in the process of being finalized. It is important to note that the number of members who were/are involved in this unfortunate issue is very small and not representative of the organization as a whole. We sincerely thank the dedicated ECA members and the gaming community for their understanding and support on this matter and we look forward to continuing to grow the organization to suit the needs of the consumers.
Hal Halpin – ECA President
Reader Comments (102)
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:02PM (Unverified) said
this website is so shady. as a member who now has to go through hoops to cancel, I hope it gets shut down.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:52PM mywhitenoise said
I hope it gets more than just shut down, hopefully it turns into a class action lawsuit and they have to pay out the ass.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 6:01PM ch3burashka said
Also, they have the MOST pretentious booth at PAX.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:05PM Peter Moore said
That's bullshit. I'm usually against going to court to solve all your problems, but that should be grounds for a lawsuit.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:06PM (Unverified) said
unfortunately it sounds too legal to sue, but something should be done?
I'm not a member, but would anyone be interested in starting an angry mob?
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I'm not a member, but would anyone be interested in starting an angry mob?
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:07PM Temidien said
Got about a month of an awesome Amazon discount, saving me over a hundred bucks on games, before this was stopped owing to abuses. CAG is aflame with discussion about why it was taken away, most citing users generating more discount codes than they needed (stockpiling) and taking advantage of glitches that allowed them to stack the codes.
As great as it was, I'd rather it was all taken back than have to see honest folks stripped of their cash because of cancellation issues.
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As great as it was, I'd rather it was all taken back than have to see honest folks stripped of their cash because of cancellation issues.
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:10PM (Unverified) said
This article missed another key point about canceling by snail mail, per the ECA's policies:
"12. Receipt of Mail. ECA cannot guarantee that it receives any mail that Member claims to have sent. Member should, at Member’s own expense, send any notices to ECA in a form to ensure to Member that their communication arrived at ECA, which form may include but not be limited to FedEx, UPS, USPS Return Receipt Requested and USPS Certified Mail."
Meaning that they can just take your letter, throw it away, and deny they ever received it unless you use some sort of traceable correspondence. Awesome.
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"12. Receipt of Mail. ECA cannot guarantee that it receives any mail that Member claims to have sent. Member should, at Member’s own expense, send any notices to ECA in a form to ensure to Member that their communication arrived at ECA, which form may include but not be limited to FedEx, UPS, USPS Return Receipt Requested and USPS Certified Mail."
Meaning that they can just take your letter, throw it away, and deny they ever received it unless you use some sort of traceable correspondence. Awesome.
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:10PM Kyammi said
Kudos to Joystiq for picking this up. I am also signed up on ECA, and hopefully this issue will be resolved by the time my sub expires.
I have a feeling the ECA could face some serious criminal charges if they keep up these practices, other such corporations who have acted similarly have.
It's a shame that a consumer group should act worse than the companies and politicians...
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I have a feeling the ECA could face some serious criminal charges if they keep up these practices, other such corporations who have acted similarly have.
It's a shame that a consumer group should act worse than the companies and politicians...
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:12PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
its bullshit...I signed up back in June or July....and NEVER got a SINGLE DISCOUNT CODE for AMAZON....
its ok tho.....I have since gotten a new visa check card....so I don't even have to worry about it trying to auto renew...
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its ok tho.....I have since gotten a new visa check card....so I don't even have to worry about it trying to auto renew...
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:23PM Liquidfox00 said
When they can't auto-renew your fees because the card is no longer active they will send the charge to collections thus ruining your credit score. You're not out of hot water yet.
Send them a registered letter. It costs five bucks.
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Send them a registered letter. It costs five bucks.
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:38PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
I've been doing that for 5 years with various magazine subscriptions....hell even the notorious Columbia House DVD membership........have yet to see anything on my credit.....I'm good
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:54PM aristokrat said
I'm curious about this as well. I signed up with a Virtual account number (which now no longer exists), so that they could not auto-renew, but am now worried about the collections threat. I only got 2 codes (one used to great effect on my MW2 prestige edition).
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 4:37PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said
I would be VERY surprised if they could pull that off when the Great Columbia House never put shit on my credit....and I have fucked them over like 4 times
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:12PM (Unverified) said
This kind of bs will ensure that we wont be able to have a proper organization going for a while, since no one would trust another "ECA".
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:19PM cantbeatmegaman said
WTF?! I was sad that the Amazon deal went away but I was supporting a good cause. But if they're pulling this crap, screw them!!
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:27PM (Unverified) said
Gupta's Law of Anomalies applies here.
"If it sounds too good to be true it always is."
I feel bad for the people. Now they have to visit the... *shudders* ...post office.
You'll find workers like this there.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/newman-seinfeld-post-office.jpg
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"If it sounds too good to be true it always is."
I feel bad for the people. Now they have to visit the... *shudders* ...post office.
You'll find workers like this there.
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-2/newman-seinfeld-post-office.jpg
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:28PM DonaldMick said
And how about this little nugget from their T&Cs:
"If the credit card provided by Member to ECA has expired during an attempt to bill fees per section 4, ECA will revise the expiration date and proceed with billing using the same credit card account."
So basically, they'll either carpetbomb your credit card with different dates or go by the 3 year-standard and keep right on going. Isn't this illegal?
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"If the credit card provided by Member to ECA has expired during an attempt to bill fees per section 4, ECA will revise the expiration date and proceed with billing using the same credit card account."
So basically, they'll either carpetbomb your credit card with different dates or go by the 3 year-standard and keep right on going. Isn't this illegal?
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:29PM (Unverified) said
Probably. It depends-the regulations were just revised this year.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:51PM GordoJones88 said
They stopped with the Amazon discount codes because CAGs were severely abusing the system to their own advantage.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:34PM carg0 said
this has been happening for decades, companies trying to sneak in fees for "services" supposedly rendered because they know a lot of people, especially the elderly, do not read their own credit card bill's. or fail to question when they see a suspicious charge.
our gov't allows these companies to pull this sh*t until enough consumers start complaining. until then, they simply claim ignorance because the credit card companies (like the Oil and Pharmaceutical companies) are the one's with all the money.
all i can say is PAY ATTENTION whenever your asked to provide your email address from any company that ALREADY HAS YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO when signing up for anything they might "recommend". they can then take that address and use that as permission to give out your CC number to whatever service you thought was free. like i said, this has been happening for decades.
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our gov't allows these companies to pull this sh*t until enough consumers start complaining. until then, they simply claim ignorance because the credit card companies (like the Oil and Pharmaceutical companies) are the one's with all the money.
all i can say is PAY ATTENTION whenever your asked to provide your email address from any company that ALREADY HAS YOUR CREDIT CARD INFO when signing up for anything they might "recommend". they can then take that address and use that as permission to give out your CC number to whatever service you thought was free. like i said, this has been happening for decades.
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:34PM (Unverified) said
The fact that a consumer advocacy organization would resort to such nefarious tactics is disgusting. Shame on the ECA. Know what else is interesting? 'stiq stopped their guest post from the GamePolitics editor after a previous accusation of a lack of journalistic integrity when they were slagging the ESA in 2008...
Sketchy
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Sketchy
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 1:38PM (Unverified) said
Yay, I signed up for a 'free' account a few months back too! I'd be more pissed if they weren't in such a shitstorm right now...can't wait to be witness to the aftermath.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 7:29PM ipsum said
It looks more like this: http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j2...yA/ECAJizz.png
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:09PM ECVOICE said
The ECA had really better come clean with its practices, AND with the disappearance of the Amazon Discount Code, which is still listed on their site (though "no longer available").
Their continued silence damns them further in the eyes of their supporters.
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Their continued silence damns them further in the eyes of their supporters.
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:17PM ProtagonistZero said
I love how they say that it only appeared for "some browsers." That's not how websites work. If it's on one browser, it's on them all. This is all just BS that they're telling people. And IF their claim that it only appeared on "some browsers" is true, then it must have just been all the major ones, cause I use Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari, and Chrome, and it was there on all of them.
This company is playing games with it's customers, and deserves to get it's ass burned.
I love how they still list the Amazon discount under "Membership Benefits" with the caption that it's no longer available. If someone took the time to put that it wasn't available anymore, why not just REMOVE IT completely?
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This company is playing games with it's customers, and deserves to get it's ass burned.
I love how they still list the Amazon discount under "Membership Benefits" with the caption that it's no longer available. If someone took the time to put that it wasn't available anymore, why not just REMOVE IT completely?
Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 4:46PM (Unverified) said
Actually bryan you can write certain code in css so it will only appear on some web browsers.
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Posted: Dec 2nd 2009 2:39PM ProtagonistZero said
I also love how they say that they have grown too large to accept email as a valid way to cancel because too many people would be emailing them. Doesn't it take the same amount of people to read an email as it does to read a snail mail? And wouldn't an automated solution on their website eliminate all cancellation hasle?
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