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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:14PM Mr Khan said

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I say that the law should be against institutions that make piracy solutions available to the general public, and that the consumer is never liable for stuff they pirated. Look to The Pirate Bay case, or how Mininova was just taken down. If we make those groups the sole parties legally responsible for pirating, it would shift the burden away from this very scary class war that's basically going on (of the big capitalists trying to terrorize consumers nation-wide), and make it a simpler war of the corporate world (where WB would focus on fighting TorrentReactor or FilesTube, or even basic search engines like Google for making these things available, rather than trying to sue John Doe into oblivion in order to terrorize the populace)

Their current practice is basically terrorism. Make a very dramatic example of a few people, because they lack the resources to get them all, and try to scare everyone into their line of thinking due to the possible consequences.

Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:21PM (Unverified) said

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Great Radiohead reference

Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:21PM The Nasty Nick said

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Of course I'll use proper citations.

This is civilized America not bestial jungle land goddammit!

Posted: Dec 5th 2009 6:23PM KaiCherry said

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No. It is extremely communistic. Sorry. It doesn't matter how long the exposition is or how eloquently you try to frame it :)

A creator sets the value. A market determines if that value is worth it to them. The inverse "collectivist" scenario you float is exactly what the previous respondent claimed it to be.

You want people to "grow up"? Here's an idea...goes back over 150 years:

Instead of some people plundering some other people...or everyone plundering everyone...

How about we try "no one plunders ANYONE"...how's that for a grown-up way of handling the situation? :)

-K

Posted: Dec 5th 2009 8:10PM edit said

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Kai Cherry, to plunder is to take something away without right to do so. That you have received some information without paying does not mean you have plundered it. It is, in fact, still there.

Now before I get you started, I'm not actually advocating piracy. Consider the information on the internet that you get for free legally. Youtube videos, millions of websites of content (including this one), the open source movement, even services like google. I don't see these creators setting a value. There are an infinite variety of ways money can be made from 'free' content, and the effectiveness of a method differs depending on the content and the demographic. Is a website 'communistic' if it offers its content for free and gives visitors optional means of support such as donations or hard copies?

What you call collectivism is simply the nature (and strength) of the internet. Information is shared, people become more connected. Now we can keep fighting ourselves and attempt to set up barriers (reducing connectivity) and watch while people find ways around them every time, over and over and over, or we can start dealing with content in a way that makes sense in a globally connected international community.

Call me a commie if you wish. Like I said, I'm not pushing an agenda. The internet and everything on it has risen out of this direction we're moving in as a collective. I'm just watching and thinking about tomorrow.

Posted: Dec 6th 2009 3:12PM blash said

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There's a very big difference between physical goods and digital goods. Physical goods can be counterfeited - anything from money to wallets to watches to furniture to anything else. The thing about physical goods is that if you buy a counterfeit Rolex, you generally buy what you thought was genuine, and then when it falls apart on you you blame Rolex - not the counterfeiters. That's the real problem about physical piracy - is that it harms the reputation of the original makers, because it's passed off as the real thing.

Digital media piracy is different though - trying to regulate internet piracy on the basis of customs and corporate protection is like trying to say that internet piracy should be fought because it does the equivalent of selling scratched discs. That's not what Internet piracy is entirely - pirated materials are (generally) clearly marked in terms of quality - music is anywhere from crap 128 kbps quality to FLAC rips, and movies can be anything from CAMs to DVDRips. When the color or audio sucks on a rip, we know its the fault of the rip - not the content's original producer. Producers of fake Rolex watches have no reputation - producers of pirated materials have names (think aXXo) and reputations and try to uphold them. Trying to fight digital piracy because you're concerned that people downloading Michael Bay's new movie are going to think that it sucks is non sequitur - people will think that the movie sucks because the movie sucks (bad acting or whatever), not because the audio cuts out in the middle of the movie and a "property of Paramount" watermark cuts on-screen.

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