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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:06AM B3astofthe3ast said

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The pirates always win. DRM can always be broken, anything they try can be worked around. They're only punishing loyal consumers.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:35AM whymog said

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You're right. And that's exactly why I think Mark's on the right track by suggesting the most important step in combating piracy is to make sure paying for and owning a game is as inviting and seamless as possible for a user. Inobtrusive DRM solutions, a hassle-free installation and usage experience and free trials that offer a fair sample of gameplay are all critical aspects of making intellectual property more appealing to own.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:43AM jennyhanger said

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Speaking of piracy, Gamers love free-play especially if we are talking Modern Warfare 2 :D But be careful now, it seems Microsoft had tighten their belt and
have recently banned 1 million xbox live players for using a pirated copy xbox games

so much for the "free-play" world: http://bit.ly/one-million-players-banned-on-playing-modern-warfare-2
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 3:12AM levilynned said

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@jenny

wow, I thought the link you are posting was not cool, but it turns out it all makes sense it has relativity with the article about piracy.

Nice feedback: http://bit.ly/one-million-players-banned-on-playing-modern-warfare-2

oups for the pirate-gamers...
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 4:02AM dr steve brule said

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lets seeeee ... it goes in the order of up vote, up vote, down vote, down vote to win this post right?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 10:02AM gonintendo said

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@whymog exactly. I wanted to see how borderlands ran on my pc, but I couldn't find a demo. I had to torrent it. now that I know how it runs (not to great on a 4850, but I'm getting a 5850 for christmas) I might buy off steam after I get my new card. if gearbox had simply put out a demo, they wouldn't have had one more person added to the # of people that pirated the game. I also had to put my self at risk of getting a virus. ( I have a second install of windows for personal stuff and and my other is for gaming, just in case)
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 3:03PM phinn said

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This is what you get
This is what you get
This is what you get, when you mess, with us
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 6:08PM The Punisher said

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I felt that the articles tone was more based on finding people who are illegally downloading things online and then fining them. DRM is useless like you said, but I think the authorities will go after people's pocket book.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:11AM That Burning Sensation said

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You better believe it could happen here. Corperation's rights come before the citizens. John McCain is working with his lobbist buddies to block the Net Neutrality Bill. The Neutrality Bill prevents ISP from blocking or controling your bandwidth. Go to this link - http://rawstory.com/2009/10/mccain-net-neutrality/

"You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world"
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:16AM Alan Smithee said

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The main problem I have with net neutrality is that it gives the feds more control over the internet. The internet exists mostly without regulation, and that's a good thing. Handing over control to bureaucrats will only hinder things.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:37AM Guess Who said

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Ignoring the fact that one government can't possibly control the entire internet, that's a remarkably ignorant comment. Net neutrality doesn't give the government power to regulate the internet, it simply takes away power from ISPs to place restrictions on internet access.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:44AM Cheesus Crust said

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Guess Who is right, this would help A LOT of people with Comcast and its caps. I have FIOS so I don't care lol
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 2:24AM RKN said

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Verizon is also thinking of caps and too bad its FIOS service is so scattered, all I have in my area is evil Comcast or AT&T DSL and U-Verse. Comcast for sure has a 250gb cap, AT&T has no cap in my area, yet........
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:19AM That Burning Sensation said

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As we speak ALL of the ISP are talking about how they can block their competing websites etc or slow access to them. The paradigm is shifting, and it is beginning with intellectual properties such as movies, music, games, books all in the attempts to protect copy-rights. That means no privacy. They want to make loaning your friend a copy of their product a crime. That is why Microsoft is looking to move all of their content and IP to the Xbox brand. They control the means of commerce. They see the ship is sinking on the PC: open source, pirating, so they wish to impose a complete will over all consumers.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:41AM RKN said

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Right, MS absolutely loves having absolute control over its customers on the Xbox and LIVE. Lucky we have the PS3 and other entities as solid competition or it would really be bad.
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Posted: Dec 6th 2009 5:41PM Ordeith said

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So you mean like Apple?

Talk about control.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:19AM neftones said

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bravo on the Radiohead ref.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:25AM The Nasty Nick said

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I'm currently working on a piracy research paper and this was great. Gave me some awesome ideas for my thesis and some good ideas to support it.

Thanks Joystiq! You're amazing!
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:05AM leksicon said

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lol maybe you can draw some parallels between plagiarism and piracy
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 2:26AM (Unverified) said

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Don't forget the citations! :)
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:31AM (Unverified) said

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tl;dr
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:21AM (Unverified) said

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I just want to know something: are you purposely trying to troll us or does it just come naturally?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:32AM (Unverified) said

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tl;dr
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 7:52AM original fred said

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let me try:

r u trllng us or r u 4 srs??
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 6:51PM whymog said

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Hey Joystiq -- you should take a page from the Something Awful forums and start handing out probations and bans on a more consistent basis. Shutting up a blatant troll for a week at a time ought to cut down significantly on this garbage.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:34AM (Unverified) said

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Alan Smithee: Do you even know what net neutrality is? You're a fucking moron.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:35AM Guess Who said

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As someone whose Steam and XBL name is Karma Police, I love this article title.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:41AM (Unverified) said

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Wow, I'm surprised about the quality of this article. Usually Joystiq's comments on piracy are limited to "it suxx torrentz suxx," and that's before you even reach the comments section (*shudder*).

Great article, Mark. Was a good read.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:52AM t3hguitarman said

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But does he buzz like a fridge?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:12AM Funkmaster General said

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That Hitler hairdo, man, is making me feel ill.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:53AM Rollins said

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I read "I am the law!" as "I am the lawl!"

Almost appropriate for an officer who polices the internets.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:09AM The Nasty Nick said

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Dude lol there's a difference between plagiarism and having sources. Obviously I'm not writing a 7 page paper off the top of my head.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:19AM (Unverified) said

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http://www.metronews.ca/toronto/entertainment/article/380978--music-fans-be-very-afraid

This is a very real possibility for North America as well.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 1:59AM Enosoma said

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If this happens in North America, I'm demanding two copies of each game I buy in every box. And a DVD copy mailed to me, after I purchase downloadable games.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 2:02AM BananaBoat said

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The speeding ticket approach doesn't work because it's impossible to actually verify which person on the end of a connection did the actual pirating. Do you ticket the owner of the line? What if it is a public library or a school? Even if you ticket the owner, how can you prove (and we're talking about a criminal case here, not a lawsuit with a fairly low burden of proof) that any actual infringement took place, and if so, that the person accused is the culprit? Then there is the issue of so many people doing it that it is impossible to ticket them all, which is an insurmountable problem.

I don't have a better solution, but tickets for every act of infringement isn't the way to go (especially if it would lead to disconnection).

Great article as always. LGJ has become one of my favorite recurring segments.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 3:14AM jtenma said

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Indeed. Excellent article Mark!
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:35PM emperorzeroxx said

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LOL policja, that's hilarious... gotta love dem tharr polacks
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 3:45AM onlineatron said

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Joystiq..... I fucking love you for that title reference!
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 4:09AM ouenwoof said

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I usually avoid complaining about DRM (not that I support it, I'm just sick of talking about it :P), but honestly, if every method of distribution were just like Steam (once you buy, you have infinite installs to any computer as long as you're signed into your profile), that would most likely eliminate the common excuse for piracy: that you're just not really entitled to the product you payed MSRP price for.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 4:13AM dr steve brule said

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that's karma chameleon right?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 4:52AM The Monarch said

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tl;dr


awesome Radiohead reference
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 7:36AM UNCSamurai said

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You can't stop the signal, Mal.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 7:38AM UNCSamurai said

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Can't stop the signal, Mal.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 9:10AM Scuffles said

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Woohoo I look forward to the modern day witch hunt. I wonder if they will burn the suspected pirates in a public display or just put the thumbscrews to them until they confess and repent.

What harm could possibly befall from an organization with little oversight being told to go out and do whatever it takes..... I just hope they televise it, it would make a great series and the irony of them eventually "processing" someone for illegally downloading the show would be priceless.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 10:55AM (Unverified) said

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Is there a reason that the policeman in the picture are Polish?
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 11:08AM edit said

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What we need is not a step up of enforcement of existing copyright laws, but a rethink of how intellectual property is licenced and distributed to consumers.

When it boils down to it, the free sharing of information (call it piracy if you wish) is a core part of our technological growth and evolution as a species. There is a real push towards ever increasing connectedness, breaking down the boundaries between us, between people and information, that runs much much deeper than a 'desire to get free stuff'. It's a push to trancend our isolation as individuals and become a more deeply integrated collective. That's what the internet is all about, and the fast and uninhibited sharing of information is a key component.

As a collective we need to change our value system regarding art and intellectual property. We need to grow to a point where consumers volunteer their financial support to creators they value, in response to creators unleashing their work for free distribution and sharing across the global network. When this occurs on a large scale (it already happens on a small scale in little niche pockets of various industries), art and IP will live and die by how much it is valued by human beings, not by how effectively it is marketed or forced on a demographic. This will also liberate art from draconian "market realities" and help to unleash human potential on a large scale.

It'll be a long process getting there, considering how many unnecessary middlemen are shit-scared of losing their lucrative strongholds. See: game publishers, record companies, etc. The aim should be a direct and mutually supportive relationship between IP creators and IP users\appreciators, rather than a war between marketing giants and consumers. The change is being met with heavy resistence by these monopolic entities but unless they change their approach, they WILL lose out. The change is being driven by the very force of human evolution, and anything standing in its way will be crushed or left behind. The human collective WANTS to share information freely. All industries and marketplaces will be forced to adapt to that reality in time.

Of course, we have some growing up to do before the required sense of responsibility is there on a large scale. It's starting to happen, though. Radiohead letting people pay what they want for their last album, and it being a financial success, for instance. There's plenty of debate, but the change is underway and more people embrace these ideas with each successive generation.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 7:02PM Ninjanun said

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A beautifully idyllic world, it would be lovely if everything worked out like that but unfortunately money has to get in the way, there are those begging for a pay check at the end of the day. To bring it back to the music world for every good action like Radiohead's "pay what you like" album cost there's a million no-talent one hit wonder stars out for the cash and the fame, and when they can get it so easily there's no wonder. I completely agree with whoever said the main reason they don't feel bad about pirating music was MTV Cribs.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 7:38PM edit said

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You're right, but the interesting thing is that those one hit wonders out for cash (and the labels they're under) are the ones being hurt by piracy. Who's going to buy an album when they've downloaded it or checked out the songs on youtube and realized that most of the album is filler?

On the flip side, filesharing and music blogs facilitate the discovery of lesser known independent artists, and a fair portion of music fans (generally the ones who care about music) will then go and buy hard copies or concert tickets to support some of those artists, who they would not have known about otherwise. This is what I mean when I talk about consumers volunteering their financial support to artists - At this very moment it's a snap to find anything you want for free on the internet. It's therefore already true that artists who are genuinely respected are in a better position to earn sales from downloaders than the corporate-machine one hit wonders are.

Downloaders who have no interest in buying CDs or going to concerts (lets face it, they're out there) are effectively giving up their 'voting power', and won't influence the success or failure of artists. These are generally the people who are less passionate about music\art, and also the ones who are more influenced by marketing (you know, the ones who will eat up whatever commercial radio feeds them). The result, then, is a gradual steering towards an industry where respected artists are the more successful ones, and big budget marketing loses its power to squeeze quick bucks out of bad musicians.

This is why the big record companies are scared (and "losing" sales), and this is why I'm saying the things I'm saying. The change is happening. I don't think it's idyllic to think that the change will continue. Of course, record companies won't change without a fight, and there will be a lot of uncertainty and drama before any new balance is found, but it'll happen.
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Posted: Dec 5th 2009 12:33PM edit said

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Assuming you're responding to me, it's definitely not communistic. Financial success or failure of an individual creator is just as powerfully there.. That success or failure is simply determined more by how many people deem the creation worth supporting rather than how effectively it has been pushed on the population by large corporations.

In any case, regardless of how people want to label it, this change is happening. It's not an agenda being pushed, but an inevitability we are being magnetically drawn towards by our own nature. Time will tell.
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