Nintendo's Aonuma: Majora's Mask the result of Miyamoto challenge

WW > OoT

Metacritic says otherwise, Mr. Moore.

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/n64/legendofzeldaocarina?q=

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/cube/legendofzeldathewindwaker

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

All you Biodome fans better shut up, because Metacritic PROVES that Dirty Cop, No Donut was the better film.

http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/dirtycopnodonut

http://www.metacritic.com/video/titles/biodome

Metacritic can suck my dick.

Also, you're an idiot to use Metacritic as your argument.

You guys should call it quits right here. There is no way in hell that argument could ever be settled.

OOT FTW

It's settled, since the guy considers Ocarina to be his crowning achievement...right?

Sorry, I'm gonna go with WW FTW. An incredible game that was.

I think they were about equal. I'd say WW is better if sailing wasn't so tedious.

Sailing was amazing.

I think that OoT was ultimately the better game, but nowhere in gaming history is there a better "Fuck you" than WW's Link shoving the Master Sword into Gannon's face.

Wind Waker would be the best Zelda game if it ended halfway through.

Yep, he is that very person. You got to tip your hat for his dedication.

Majora's Mask and especially Wind Waker are both better than OoT. By FAR, I'd say.

You're all asshats!!!

A Link to the Past was bar none, the crowning achievement for all Zeldas with OoT and WW only winning the tie in the 3D genre but still second to LttP.

Silly children...

"WW was made more recently so of course its better then OOT"


Regardless of whether WW is better than OoT or not, that's a stupid thing to say. Just because something's newer doesn't mean it's better. Just look at, oh, 90% of all new games coming out.

Windwaker > Majora's Mask > OOT > Link to the Past

But those are by so slim of margins that it's almost impossible to distinguish them. All of the Zelda games are absolutely fantastic, even the ones that I'm not really a fan of, like Twilight Princess.

But to throw my final 2 cents in on the subject, Windwaker is the best because once you get free reign of your travels the games pretty much just goes "Good job. You got this far, now it's time for you to go on a damn adventure!!!!! Here's a vague hint to go about thataway, but who cares!!!!!" And sends you on your merry way. Along the way you constantly get sidetracked, be it with mini dungeons, giant sea monsters, fighting with the gods, or getting your own private villa, but that's ok, because it's all a part of this epic adventure across a mostly uncharted world that you have to discover for yourself.

And if that isn't epic, I don't know what is.

Actually, I liked all the Zelda's and think (yes, even part 2) are awesome. I haven't played any of the handheld ones but have played all the Nintendo console versions.

For all claiming Ocarina of Time (you lazy fucking typers) is the best Zelda game, I'd like to mention that Twilight Princess was an absolutely amazing game as well.

In my opinion, Twilight Princess was basicially OoT with better graphics and no Ocarina.

OoT will always be a favorite no matter what though because for many older gamers it was the first 3D Zelda game and will ALWAYS have nostalgia associated with it that no game, even if god created a perfect one, will ever out do.

Just admit that you'll always pick Ocarina of Time because your not objective in the very least and we most arguments (intelligent ones) will stop there.

In the most recent Nintendo Power, a reader wrote in who said it best. Now I'm not going to choose sides and say which is the best Zelda game but basically what he said was that no matter which game is their favorite (its usually for sentimental reasons, which is fine), many Zelda fans are ultimately setting themselves up for disappointment with each new game in the series.

The next Zelda for Wii could be the greatest game ever but it still wouldn't change the fact that maybe you played A Link to the Past first or that Ocarina of Time was the series' first 3-D game. One could use Twilight Princess as an example. It was a fantastic game and yet, deep down, many fans may have already decided it wasn't going to be their favorite even before they played it.

And if the fans continue with that mindset, where can the series go but downhill when they aren't willing to give it a chance?

Actually I think Ocarina of Time was way better than Wind Waker. Wind Waker had the cooler look and I also loved that speech of Ganon, where you learned about his motives at the end of the game, but Ocarina of Time just had the better level design AND more dungeons. The structure of each dungeon had you manipulating the temple itself. I guess, most of you don't remember exactly, because you played Wind Waker more recently, so here's a little refresh for your memory:
Deku Tree : Giant spider web
Dodongo's Cave : dragon skull
Jabu Jabu's Belly : That one pit in the second room, you in the end arose from
Forest Temple : The lift with the 4 ghosts
Fire Temple : Giant Pillar you had to smash into the lower floor, so you could enter the Boss door, you've been seeing all the time
Water Temple : The whole water level adjustment things (which most of you probably hated, but I think it was genius, loved the temple)
Shadow Temple : The boat and the pillar you had to turn into a bridge
Spirit Temple : The giant statue

And Majora's Mask had a similar type of level design with the pipes in Great Bay or the central pillar in Snowpeak etc. Wind Waker was the first step away from that pattern (which is not bad, just different) where these prominent features that made the temples unique were less important.
Also it has less dungeons and they tried to artificially stretch the game's length with that sequence where you had to sail across the whole map to find sea charts and with these sea charts sail across the map again to find Triforce Pieces. These are the only real problems with this otherwise great game, which puts it behind Ocarina of Time

I agree with Moore on his second comment, it is foolish to use another person's opinion in an argument.

Fuck, meant to reply to the first comment

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Nah he's really clever and deep, he doesn't see the point of games because they have no point, they're round.

They might be round but I still cut myself on one, they have a point that goes all the way round.

It was ment to be a collecters edition as it says on it's box, but I would feel the Classic controller seems more comfortable than the GC wavebird with when I play it. Btw: why can't I play GC games with the Classic Wii controller?

Because when you play a GameCube game, it goes into "GameCube mode" where everything Wii-specific (wireless controllers, wireless internet, etc.) is shut off.

Well I've never seen a box, but just because it was part of a collector's edition disc (that also included the regular game) I don't see why we can't have a VC or Wiiware version. We all know it would sell very well.

I actually agree with you here, as much as it pains me to say so. MM is my second favorite Zelda game, but you're right in saying it could have used more work. It's an amazing game in what there is of it, but that's just it: "what there is of it". It has only four dungeons, the least of an Zelda game. Well, maybe five if you count the option moon "mini-dungeons". (By the way, the ramp jumping in the goron mini-dungeon? Ugh! So frustrating!) Yes, there are alot of side quests, which I love, and alot more than normal "prep work" to actually get into a dungeon, rather than just "I'm the Deku Tree. Get in my mouth and fulfill your destiny". But still, only four dungeons? The game is so brilliant, it's a shame there's just so little of it.

@ Drahken

While there may not have been as many dungeons in MM, I would like to contend that in response to that, there was a hell of a lot more to do in the world of Termina than in OoT, WW, and TP. MM felt alive, something that the other Zelda games just don't seem to be able to pull off. Not to mention, I also believe MM had the best dungeon in the history of Zelda, the Stone Tower Temple.

Honestly, I would like for Nintendo to go back to MM and recreate what they did right with that game, and find a way to incorporate it into the upcoming Zelda title, because while I love WW and TP, the games have felt a bit flat after the experience of MM. They have felt too simple, too much focus on just going through the dungeons, and while that's fun and all, having an engaging world outside of said dungeons would make the experience ten times better.

If you look around, the Ocarina combo pack for GC is only about 20 now, around the same you'd pay for the VC releases.

Amazing artwork .... i really wanted to see it more !

i was SO hoping that it would be link's final smash =/

@Platy I know that wouldve been awesome!

WW is my fave by a mile. Such an expansive world with so much extra lil stuff to do.

A Final Fantasy VII effect?

I agree with Markez. WW is my favorite LoZ title. Such a wonderful and beautiful game.

Simply put, it's idiotic to compare older games to new games. Games have to be judged on there merits at the time, not compared to games that are obviously going to be bigger in scope and better in graphics now. As someone who started gaming on the Atari 2600, I can safely say that OOT is the best zelda for it's time. Now i do believe that Twilight Princess is a better game, but it's wrong to compared them. Games should be compared with what was out in the same generation, and OOT was so perfect and revolutionary with the greatest graphics of it's time. Twilight Princess was a fantastic game too, amazing graphics, bigger game world, more to do, but thats to be expected with leaps in gaming and hardware technology. It wasn't as revolutionary, and playing it for the first time didn't give me the same sense of awe as OOT did.

OoT is in no way as overblown and overrated as FFVII.

I see what he's trying to say. It'd be like comparing SMB3 to NSMB. Sure, they're both 2D, but they're completely different games, really.

And in any case, SMB3 > NSMB.

Foetoid is right. It's impossible to compare games from different time periods using the standards of "graphics", "sound", "gameplay features", "animation" etc..

If we do, Rogue Warrior is definitely better than Doom, Quake, Deus Ex, etc.. when clearly it's not.

It's about how they were relative to their peers at the time. It's about the impact and impression they made with the tools they had available, and compared to what was there. That's why Doom is a much better game than Resistance, for example.

Speaking from the perspective of design, and design only, both games had their faults and points of genius. I don't think either (we're just talking about mechanics here) can be called better than the other.

I think Ocarina of Time definitely had a better twist, but I think that's the only thing it really had up on Wind Waker.

Foetoid nailed it.

When OoT came out it was a mindblowing game. It was the best game I'd ever played by a mile. Sure, WW and TP are probably better games if you would compare them to OoT in 2009, but that's not the point. I bet WW and TP will be surpassed themselves in the future. The real question is if a Zelda game will ever have as big an impact as OoT when that one was released.