Nintendo appealing French flash cart ruling

It's easier to think of 3rd parties as the victim.

Well, where I live, you automatically pay more than the actual price of blank CDs/DVDs because the music industry is legally entitled to their share of cash for these. So even if you use that CD/DVD to burn a video from your vacation or whatever, these guys recieve money for it.

On the other hand, the flashcards' primary use is obviously to play pirated games while Nintendo makes zero money from these. Of course there will always be the guys who are using these to play homebrew only, but seriously... You guys are a minority. So you can't really compare that to pen and paper.

What? So you're in favour of people been able to copy and sell games illegally?

And clearly the best solution is to simply ban them altogether.

I was actually swaying to the nintendo side but after reading your comment...screw them.

The power of the internet strikes again

Of course, let's not pretend people use flashcarts for anything other than piracy. "Homebrew," lol. Like anyone cares about reading eBooks on the screen, at barely legible resolutions, or the countless physics demoes (that's worth paying for a flashcart!)

The only homebrew people use on flashcarts are NES/Genesis/SNES emulators, which again is another form of piracy.

I agree with Elranzer, only a fool would think that the absolute primary use of these carts is anything else than piracy. Either that or someone who has some kind of reason to defend them...

I know loads of people who own DSes, and I struggle to name even a SINGLE one who doesn't have an R4 card or similar (I for one don't). And with a rare exception or two, none of them buy any games. It's almost a rule. In fact some of the very young ones (one of which I'm unfortunately related to) ridicule you for actually spending money on DS games.

Come on Morrigan, I'm all for freedom to do with your own stuff what you want, and sticking it to the big corporations, but this is one over-abundantly clear case of people being cheap goddamn thieving motherfuckers by the millions.

I know loads of people who play games on the PC, and I struggle to name even a SINGLE one who doesn't have an Internet connection. And with a rare exception or two, none of them buy any games. It's almost a rule. In fact some of the very young ones ridicule you for actually spending money on PC games.

But by your very reasoning, people shouldn't be allowed to connect to the Internet because there is a rampant piracy problem on PCs as well. There's a vast array of uses for both platforms, just as there is an abundancy of people willing to abuse them. You can't just issue a blanket ban on one tool that people will use to cheat and cross your fingers and pray it will solve the problem.

You fail to see the other sides point. Do you yourself actually use a flashcart for homebrew? I don't know many people with flashcarts, unlike the other posters, but the few I know who own them wouldn't waste memory with homebrew. Not many people do.

The primary use of the internet isn't for pirating games. The internet isn't produced by companies who know that they'll be making money off of a product that people will almost solely use for pirating games. Quit making ridiculous comparisons, please.

They did with the DSi. The new security was broken within weeks, if not days.

Legitimate homebrew? The only homebrew that anyone cares about are emulators to pirate older Nintendo games.

FFS, Elrazner, it was retarded the first time you said and it wont get less idiotic or more true the more times you repeat it.

Yeah, god forbid them and their greedy fat faces try to actually do something about the fact that not buying any games for your DS because you can get them for free has become like a rule among kids, and their parents.

Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Fred: in case you're some thieving piece of shit trying to defend their own cheapness: shut up.

In case you're an extremely rare legitimate case of someone who uses their cart for proper legal homebrew only, who thinks there are more than four of you in the world: shut up.

Good god you're dumb.

Just calling people dumb doesn't help your argument. Then again, there's nothing that will.

Common data storage standard widely used for anything and everything across all hardware, versus a device which is specifically created to circumvent anti-piracy measures in a single games console, and almost exclusively used by everyone to steal games?

Ok yeah. No. Go sit in the corner.

and another prime example of ZOMG not pirating happening with flash carts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_UHPoXOtfQ

I would fully agree with you if it was actually feasible to do this.

There is always a way. We have to come together as a society and make this happen.

Screw sequels, I'd prefer new IPs.

Also: I'm not defending the pirates, but really, if you took away their flash carts, do you expect them to go out and buy the games?
I don't. Maybe a few of them; but the money they spend will hardly cover the money spent making the things illegal. Maybe everyone will feel a little better if they stop thinking of pirated copies as "lost sales".

If you're thinking of it that way, I'm a pirate for only buying my games at pawn shops. Cause, the devs never get a penny from that sale. Am I any better then the people who download them?

I didn't say just sequels, I also said that it'd be great if they KEPT making games with the same kind of ambition (obviously not in those words). Sure most devs keep making games, but when one heart-felt product fails, they go back to making generic and uninspired games that they KNOW people would buy regardless.

Heck, it doesn't matter if it'd stop them immediately. It's the idea of taking away most of the tools they'd use. Obviously we can't remove every tool they'd use, because at that point we'd remove every single thing used to just enjoy/make a game.
But the fact is, this type of product is obscure to most purchasers other than the occasional pirater - with legit users even less than them.
It's like creating a law that bans something that halts one freedom but removes all the legality from a horrible loophole people use: The few suffer, but the many benefit. Awful, tough, and sucks: But if used correctly - it has more pros than cons.

Do I consider you a pirater? Naw, I consider you the person who encourages pawn shops to keep buying games from people... which might encourage people to purchase a game in a store knowing they have a good place to sell it.
'Sides, not all things could be bought legitimately - if you consider "extinct" games. Which I do purchase from eBay... they're no longer sold new so the companies can't benefit from them.

FUCK JOYSTIQ'S COMMENTING SYSTEM-- NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

Hmm. My comment was meant to be a reply to "I can't think of Nintendo as a victim." Not sure what happened, but that's that, since I can't edit.