With the exception of Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII, games have rarely needed more than the 25 GB offered by a standard single-layer Blu-ray disc. The lack of demand hasn't stopped Sony and Panasonic, though. The two companies have developed a new technology called "i-MLSE" that can increase the capacity of a single-layer disc by about a third, to 33.4 GB. According to Nikkei Electronics, i-MLSE is a processor-intensive method that will allow players to properly calculate the read-error rate, a stumbling block that prevented larger capacity discs.
Presumably, it will only take a firmware update to ensure Blu-ray players (like the PS3) can utilize the new disc format. Sony plans on encouraging widespread adoption through the Blu-ray Disc Association, which shouldn't be a problem considering Sony plays a pretty large role in that organization.
[Via Engadget]
Reader Comments (31)
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 4:35PM Goku1910 said
so what other exclusives may have needed more than 25GB? I know Resistance 2 came close by having the capacity at 23GB or so...
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 4:42PM (Unverified) said
Well, Uncharted 2 filled it, Killzone 2 may have come close.
Uncharted 3 will definitely fill it. MGS Rising probably will. GT5, maybe.
But this would be cheaper to make than a DL Blu-ray disc.
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Uncharted 3 will definitely fill it. MGS Rising probably will. GT5, maybe.
But this would be cheaper to make than a DL Blu-ray disc.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 4:52PM (Unverified) said
No...Gabe Newell would fill it with his favorite pictures of food >,>
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Posted: Jan 5th 2010 5:24PM gameforall said
@Bradwart The Echidna
MGS Rising can't, as it also has to fit on DVD, "for that box"
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MGS Rising can't, as it also has to fit on DVD, "for that box"
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 5:29PM (Unverified) said
@gameforall
"A recent Famitsu interview contains information on the end product specs for Final Fantasy on the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 console. The PS3 version of the game will apparently be uncompressed and ship on a single dual-layered Blu-ray disc, while the 360 alternative will feature audio and video compressed media divided across multiple discs. No specifics were given as to how many discs the 360 version will have, but we’re thinking three to four."
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"A recent Famitsu interview contains information on the end product specs for Final Fantasy on the PlayStation 3 and the Xbox 360 console. The PS3 version of the game will apparently be uncompressed and ship on a single dual-layered Blu-ray disc, while the 360 alternative will feature audio and video compressed media divided across multiple discs. No specifics were given as to how many discs the 360 version will have, but we’re thinking three to four."
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 4:51PM Goity said
LBP used about 40gb of a dual layer Blu Ray.
Also, the takeup of this isn't going to be widespread surely, because most old players wouldn't support it, and its use in games is probably quite limited if it takes up vital processing power.
Also, the takeup of this isn't going to be widespread surely, because most old players wouldn't support it, and its use in games is probably quite limited if it takes up vital processing power.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 5:26PM IREWolfman said
A little slow on the news? This is old :P
Sony is the BDA so it should go through!
If more space makes things better then all the best!
Will it improve read speads though?
66.8 Gb on a Dual layer would be nice. More FMV's for games.
Sony is the BDA so it should go through!
If more space makes things better then all the best!
Will it improve read speads though?
66.8 Gb on a Dual layer would be nice. More FMV's for games.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 8:09PM KinseySS said
* Apple Inc.
* Dell Inc.
* Hewlett-Packard
* Hitachi, Ltd.
* Intel Corporation
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic Corporation
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson SA
* 20th Century Fox
* Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
* Warner Bros. Entertainment
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* Dell Inc.
* Hewlett-Packard
* Hitachi, Ltd.
* Intel Corporation
* LG Electronics
* Mitsubishi Electric
* Panasonic Corporation
* Pioneer Corporation
* Royal Philips Electronics
* Samsung Electronics
* Sharp Corporation
* Sony Corporation
* Sun Microsystems
* TDK Corporation
* Thomson SA
* 20th Century Fox
* Walt Disney Motion Pictures Group
* Warner Bros. Entertainment
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 5:41PM axendo79 said
I would imagine it would come in handy with the new 3D movies coming out, and arent they supposed to be on the same disk?
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 5:42PM Gunegune said
The extra storage space is less likely to be used with video games (in this generation) and more likely to be used with Blu-ray 3D.
Blu-ray 3D creates more overhead and will likely require more disc space. I don't believe i-MLSE will allow for higher bit rates, however.
We are likely to here more about at CES 2010.
Blu-ray 3D creates more overhead and will likely require more disc space. I don't believe i-MLSE will allow for higher bit rates, however.
We are likely to here more about at CES 2010.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 6:01PM davebo said
Well all video game usage aside, as an editor for a video production studio, I was rooting for blu-ray over HD-DVD from the beginning just for the extra space. Adding even more space to blu-ray just makes me happier, because I can always cram more video onto a disc. I won't be happy until entire seasons of HD shows can fit on one disc.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 11:06PM (Unverified) said
yeah that would be awesome...they did say blu-ray could handle 8 layers (200gb)...hopefully current players will be able to read that...if they actually do an 8 layered disc.
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Posted: Jan 5th 2010 6:26PM (Unverified) said
My porn collection will definitely fill it, and would also require a second disc.... probably 3.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 6:57PM (Unverified) said
You idiots. Stop relating this to gaming. Questioning why games would need more space. This will be an immense help for movies. Especially with the new Blu-ray 3D specification.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 10:39PM tenacioustoaster said
Joystiq just so happens to be a... gaming news website
what the hell do you expect us to relate it to?
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what the hell do you expect us to relate it to?
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 7:28PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said
Pretty versatile format it seems. Hopefully it sticks around for a while.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 7:32PM Punx said
hmmm.. you think that firmware could also fix the loud fan when
trying to watch blu ray movies??? it never used to be like
that until a firmware from last year.
trying to watch blu ray movies??? it never used to be like
that until a firmware from last year.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 8:51PM Nobledevil Gaming Optimist said
Shouldn't they be focusing on just making it read faster? Well, for movies it's perfectly fine, it's not exactly like I got a random loading time while watching District 9, but for games and computers, the real issue seems to be read/write times. Of course I'm a half-noob when it comes to this stuff, so anyone who wants to correct me feel free.
Either way, as long as the tech moves forward I'm happy since I love new technology.
Either way, as long as the tech moves forward I'm happy since I love new technology.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 9:11PM The Kong said
Guys I know this is really off topic but I need PS3 help and don't feel like going on the forums...
My PS3 only works on my HD TV with HDMI cables. if i try using Component or any other cables. the screen remains black and there's no sound. I need to put it on my living room TV but it doesn't have HDMI... what am i supposed to do?
My PS3 only works on my HD TV with HDMI cables. if i try using Component or any other cables. the screen remains black and there's no sound. I need to put it on my living room TV but it doesn't have HDMI... what am i supposed to do?
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 9:33PM (Unverified) said
you have to reset your console. when its on standby hold down the power button for a few seconds until it beeps and then plug it in with component cables and turn it on and the ps3 will recognise your cables. Or you can reset in settings somewhere.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2010 1:39AM kentuckyfried said
Ice ~
When the ps3 is on standby mode (the red light is on), press and hold the power button for an extended period of time (the manual says about 5 seconds, but just basically let your index finger sit there), the ps3 will power up with 3 beeps instead of 1, and then will automatically configure itself to the correct resolution of however you have it connected to the t.v.
This's all in the manual, but I know, I ran into this same problem as well when I didn't have it on me and I was over at a friend's place trying to set up the console.
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When the ps3 is on standby mode (the red light is on), press and hold the power button for an extended period of time (the manual says about 5 seconds, but just basically let your index finger sit there), the ps3 will power up with 3 beeps instead of 1, and then will automatically configure itself to the correct resolution of however you have it connected to the t.v.
This's all in the manual, but I know, I ran into this same problem as well when I didn't have it on me and I was over at a friend's place trying to set up the console.
Posted: Jan 5th 2010 11:03PM (Unverified) said
"With the exception of Metal Gear Solid 4 and Final Fantasy XIII, games have rarely needed more than the 25 GB offered by a standard single-layer Blu-ray disc. The lack of demand hasn't stopped Sony and Panasonic, though."
yeah because everyone knows that Blu-Ray discs are only used for games and not movies.
yeah because everyone knows that Blu-Ray discs are only used for games and not movies.
Posted: Jan 6th 2010 8:04PM (Unverified) said
I wouldn't mind if they made 2 or even 3 discs games for playstation 3. Imagine how much more there could be with that much room. I dont understand why some people dont like multi disc games, final fantas 7 was 3 discs and it was amazing.
Posted: Jan 10th 2010 6:16PM Kgg said
I'm pretty sure the reason why companies mostly doesn't use multiple discs, or even multiple layers is the increase in cost (correct me if i'm wrong). That's why developers love having so much space to muck around in, sure a single blu-ray may cost more than a single dvd, though the price may not be that different. When you start having one disc of blu-ray compared to "three to four" dvd's however, you will probably see a difference in price for the producers or developers.
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Posted: Jan 6th 2010 1:31AM kentuckyfried said
More is always better. Well, at least as long as the load times don't increase proportionally...
Posted: Jan 6th 2010 6:23AM calgaryaltahotmailcom said
Load times have never been a real problem for me, gives me time to take a sip of water or eat a cookie ;)
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Posted: Jan 6th 2010 2:42PM (Unverified) said
load times suck in demons souls when i need to kill 2 guys. go to nexus, go back to said 2 guys kill them, rinse and repeat. i spend about the same ammount of time loading as i do farming their souls.
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