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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:08PM PR0F3TA said

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Europeans have the best laws regarding TV and Media. Its almost open to everyone.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 9:53AM Ashitaka said

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And regarding Internet too. I still can't believe that so many people complain about their ISP's and about their bandwidth caps when I've had an unlimited bandwidth for more than 5 years.

Well, you were promised 'change' :P
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Posted: Jan 18th 2010 1:56PM Sneets said

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I wish it was the case. The problem here in Europe is that every country has its own regulations and laws, and every media content owner has different marketing strategies in each country. So it's almost impossible to bring things like pay-per-view-IPTV on the market without making seperate contracts with the dependencies in all the countries one by one. The US have a huge advantage there, because it's only one country you have to deal with as a content provider.

Best example is Apple and the iTunes Store. It took ages for them to bring the music store to europe back then. Recently, it took ages again to bring their pay-per-view tv content to us. And I don't even know if HD Movies are accessble here already.

Maybe europe might have more of those sophisticated service-providers trying to be bring cool new hardware and technologies to their subscribers, but the overly complicated laws are a gigantic hurdle to be taken every time.

Here in Germany I can't even watch most of the free tv-channels over the internet, because they have only licensed their material for broadcast in germany, and putting it on the web would mean that you COULD watch it anywhere (yeah, you can install IP-based filtering, but explain that to the guy making decisions up there..). So there we have the law-trap again.

I think as always the grass seems to be greener on the other side ;-)
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:18PM (Unverified) said

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Question: Will this work in Amerika? Just curious.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:38PM ArchiGamer said

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No, mainly because Amerika doesn't exist.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:39PM (Unverified) said

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Ok, then. I'm good to go. Thanks alot Mr.Magoo
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:21PM SmilinGoat said

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So basically this is At&t's way of still getting you to "rent" a box from them if you still want all the features they advertise.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:24PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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exactly. You still have pay the service fee for the set top box.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:33PM Navarr said

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Actually, AT&T's boxes are Freely Loaned. They do however require a "programming" fee :p
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 3:00AM seriousam7 said

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*sigh*

i am disappoint
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 10:10AM HDE said

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The first box (DVR) is free.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:23PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Yeah Sony has some TV thing on the PS3 in the UK as well. This is so limited it borders on the pointless but I'm sure the service will continue to improve until eventually the 360 can function as its own set top box (that'd be sweet). As it stands now it would run best on a mobile device like a smartphone as opposed to an x-box in another room of the house. Streaming Netflix from the 360 provides more flexibility in terms of content and control.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 1:18AM d889 said

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i love how your post is actually VERY good and yet you are ghosted

i live in the US and have an xbox and know its the truth, cable/satelite companies do not want stuff like this, they want to give you all the new features and whatnot but in the end they WANT to sell/rent you a set top box.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 11:04AM thranx said

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The issue is not the paying for a set top box. In the US, the same people providing internet service sell tv too. They don't want their customers able to buy tv through that internet connection when you could be getting it from them.

IPTV has traditionally followed an ala carte model as well where I can pay 6 bucks for ESPN and not pay a dime for HGTV, or vice versa. Comcast gets paid to include the lesser channels in their lineup. If they can't sell you a package that includes the channels that also pay them, it's not profitable for them.

As long as the cable companies are also our ISPs, we'll never see a reasonable change. It's more likely that we'll see comcast/cox/tw start to block what few IPTV options that are out there.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:23PM (Unverified) said

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This isn't surprising to me. I have U-verse, and I hope this new Xbox feature will lower my bill. I currently pay $7/month per TV this service is on, and it really adds up.

Not being able to record on the Xbox also isn't a big deal, Currently the service comes with a 320GB HD for the DVR, and with the efficent codecs that at&t uses, is plenty enough for hundreds of hours of recorded programs.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:26PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Heres what I don't understand: Can you control media on the set top box and the 360 independently? Lets say you have one set top box and one 360 ... is that basically one channel view or two separate individual tuners per box? Because the way you put it into perspective it does makes sense for multi set top box households that also have multiple 360s.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:39PM (Unverified) said

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IPTV doesn't use "tuners" it uses dedicated video streams. In case of U-verse, this system allows for 4 independent streams of which 2 can be in HD. In other words each house can watch or record 4 different channels at the same time, if you want to watch HD content only 2 channels can be in HD. If you live in a household that has a lot of people, Uverse might not be right for you.

Mediaroom 2.0 allows the Xbox 360 to act as a Uverse set top box replacement that can control and record content to the Uverse household DVR.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:54PM The Punisher said

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What's so great about IPTV is you're only limited by the bandwidth of the provider. You could easily record 10 HD channels if the provider had that much bandwidth

I hope Verizon FiOS makes the switch to IPTV.

I currently have a 25mb upstream and a 25mb downstream.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:19AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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So my question is does each 360 in the house take up one of those streams from the box or does it function as the box itself and is only showing and controlling the live image on the stream the set top box is hooked up on? Imagine something like slingbox if you don't understand what I'm asking. My cable box has two tuners in that I can record and watch a separate channel but over my slingbox I can't watch the stream I'm recording (on a laptop) and watch a separate channel on the television.

So, 1 box = 4 streams. Does that mean 1 stream live on tv, seperate stream on 360 #1, third stream (from same box) on 360 #3 and up to your fourth stream on 360 #4 simultaneously? If not multiple streams from one box the only plus side is you can watch it in your bedroom (for example) when you aren't in the living room but not two separate streams from one box at the same time.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:55AM Ordeith said

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Johnny5:

If it behaves like it does with Windows Media Center (no reason it shouldn't)

You can watch a different channel on the 360 that is displayed on the set connected to the DVR. You can also watch recorded TV on the 360 and live on the DVR, or vice versa.

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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 1:25AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Thanks Ordeith.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 7:54AM Usr666 said

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Ditto, I wonder too if they are going to up the Uverse box to record 4 HDs then, currently I can only record 2.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:42PM (Unverified) said

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It will be interesting if at&t will still charge to use your own Xbox. AFAIK the cable company doen't charge you to access their services if you use your own equipment.
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Posted: Jan 8th 2010 11:48PM (Unverified) said

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AT&T U-Verse charges $7 a month for each TV box. With this I can replace three of the boxes I rent from them with xbox 360s. Of course I will have to keep the one central one since they require it but I can lower my monthly bill by $21. Of course I will have to buy some xboxes but in the long run it will pay for itself.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:02AM The Punisher said

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I have Verizon FiOS and love it.

Currently I have their weak 160GB DVR. I don't do a lot of TV watching, so I often record something only to have it overwritten for the next program.

I plan on buy this for myself and my parents.

http://www.cetoncorp.com/buy.php

Because Verizon uses Cable Cards I can just rent one for $3 a month instead of the $16 for VZ's DVR. I can record 4 HD channels at the same time and store all this content on my 2TB HDD on my Windows 7 PC.

Then I can use the amazing Guide that Media Center offers.

I'll get this for my parents as well. Hopefully when Natal comes out it will allow you to do video conferencing like the Live Cam does.

The single Xbox will serve all their entertainment and communication needs for the living room.

My parents love the Wii, but I think they will enjoy Natal a lot more since they can just jump in and out of the camera instead of trying to take the Wii remote strap from off their wrists.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 1:40AM andysexton said

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Caveman....I'm getting a cablecard tuner, too. I've currently got an HTPC running Win 7 Media Center and love it. I have two Clear QAM HD cable tuners and two ATSC (Over the Air) HD tuners. Love Media Center. I can have as much storage as I want (current DVR drive is 1.5TB with some other shows archived on my server and accessible at any time), and the interface has no peer. Much better than cable boxes or Tivo.

I love can start watching a show on the HTPC, stop it, and go pick up right where I left off with the Xbox in the bedroom.

I also have a bunch of my DVDs archived on my server and can play them with full menus, etc on the PC (have to encode them in a different codec if you want them on the Xbox in extender mode).

Media Center is the best feature MS puts in windows that nobody uses.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:08AM (Unverified) said

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Eh...Dish Network HD is all I need. Besides, most of this wouldn't be avaliable in my area.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:24AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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I'm getting interested in some of these satelite offerings as they continue to add high definition channels and even 3-D channels. I'm likely to adopt a 3D television sometime in the next two years if carriers start to allow subscription to stuff like the newly announced ESPN 3D, History Channel 3D etc. Now that the Blu-Ray profile is being updated with 3-D support and most new HDTVs coming to market will be 3-D capable I'm really considering another upgrade even though I just upgraded in late 2008/early 2009.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:27AM The Punisher said

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I don't know. Which technology is going to win in the 3D battle?

http://gizmodo.com/5084121/giz-explains-3d-technologies

I'm waiting until a clear victor is decided. No need for another Beta-Max vs VHS or Blu-Ray vs HD-DVD battle.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:36AM (Unverified) said

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Direct seems to have their 3D plans more layed out, but I prefer Dish's hardware, software, and programming.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 1:35AM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Obviously 3-D tech that doesn't require glasses is optimum but it'll also be more expensive. I'm good with the polarized glasses from the movie theatre. It's not something I'm going to use all the time and would be there for specific occasions. In the future it'll likely be a set that does 3-D without glasses. I don't want to wait that long to get my 3-D on.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 4:52AM pibs said

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I have Dish, love the DVR but my only complaint was the loss of Voom. I still kept the package until I realized I could pay less and have almost the identical content that Dish replaced Voom with Netflix Instant Watch. I do lose out on sports events which is a bummer but honestly $10 extra for HD is kind of a ripoff, it should come free with the everything package. Paying for the same channels twice is dumb, I can understand if it was full 1080p only channels that had no SD counterpart but that is not the case.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2010 3:54AM (Unverified) said

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At&T only charges $7/ month for EXTRA receivers. The first one (dvr) is free. So if they don't charge for xbox's it wouldn't matter if you still needed to keep the main box.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:19AM majg said

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actually research.microsoft.com showed some working prototypes awhile ago.

Everyone is trying to be diplomatic which is why we won't get the truth, but content providers are wicked paranoid about change and operators are all paranoid about other companies stepping on their turf. US telcom and operators are really annoying.

Don't expect MS to call out these companies as being a bunch of nancy's... just sayin'.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 3:43AM NBShermanator said

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Mediaroom should use Natal, that way I wont have to search for a freaking remote anymore!
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 4:02AM CaramelZappa said

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So essentially it's the exact same thing as the set-top box I already have, except it's on my 360. Now what I'm wondering is if the guide button for the 360 will still work when I'm watching tv. That would be pretty sweet. Either way, I'm really looking forward to this because I want to free up an HDMI port on my tv and it would be great to not have to switch inputs when I want to go between tv/netflix/games.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 4:23AM CaramelZappa said

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dur my question was answered right in the article. That's what I get for just watching the video.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 7:42AM barkingghos said

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I didn't buy the Xbox for anything but to play games on it. If I wanted a set-top box, I'd get it from someone that can provide me a set-top box as a set-top box. Same thing for optical media player.

Too bade the days of video gaming consoles are dead. Now all we have are bloated, hot-running convergence products trying to sell you the world of french fries.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 1:59PM KeegdnaB said

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You're right, shame on Microsoft for adding extra value to their product.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 11:49PM KaneRobot said

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It still plays hundreds of games, you ninny.

Christ. People go out of their way to find stuff to complain about.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 7:51AM Usr666 said

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About time, I hope it actually comes out now. I've been waiting to use my 360 as a receiver to avoid the $8/mo charge I get now for a second receiver for 3 years.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 11:23AM c0bra95 said

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So, it's basically worthless. Why go through the Xbox at all, if you need a PC or other box to bake it work? Good TVs can take outputs from anything (including PCs).
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 2:14PM CaramelZappa said

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That's just how U-verse already works. You have a master dvr and the other set-top boxes in the house run off of that. This is useful because it can replace any of the boxes that aren't that master dvr. So as long as you have more than one tv in your house it's useful.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 12:05PM spid said

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Hmm, I thought the "limitations" as Chris wrote were pretty much what we would get. As some one else has pointed out saving money on an extra box is pretty good. I am looking forward to this since U-verse is expanding out in my city.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 2:33PM Hilltop said

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Calling it IPTV support is lying. Its like calling Media Center functionality broadcast TV support. The only time I consent support is when it does not need some secondary device running in the background.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 3:01PM CaramelZappa said

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I love when companies go out of their way to bring us new features for free and people still complain.
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Posted: Jan 9th 2010 5:46PM JoshHood said

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Partly relevant: PlayTV is awesome.
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Posted: Jan 11th 2010 3:09AM (Unverified) said

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I have at&t U-Verse, It's a basic IPTV system, where any media computer can actually be used for streaming tv as long as it has the software. The X360's interface and everything looks to be the exact same as the DVR's they install. The DVR they install is free, and it's 5 dollars for an extra receiver.. I currently have 5 tvs, 1 DVR, 4 Receivers..

The receivers use the DVR as the central place to see already recorded media, or record media, so instead of recording on the recievers.. your simply just streaming from the DVR.

I love the U-Verse TV, for the quality, features I get.. It's much better then Time Warner, the the internet is great. I'd gladly like to use my 360 as a DVR for... my computer monitor.. or anything. anyways, AT&T has a great network in place.. and it's growing rapidly all over where I live (Charlotte) Most neighborhoods across the areas are all being linked up rather fast.
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