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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:11PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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What information can you find in a gaming mag that you can't find on the Internet? With community forums and all the community/developer interaction I don't see how a magazine is an efficient source of information anymore. Not to mention, trailers, gameplay vids, dev diaries. I think it's safe to say the industry has evolved enough in recent times to neglect paper media.

I think these types of subscriptions to "e-magazines" are completely ridiculous as most consumers want something tangible in their hands when they fork out $5-$8. Subscriptions sites however, like IGN, that give you 'more' for your yearly subscription (personal blog, collections, etc) I think are the way to go.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:55PM (Unverified) said

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But it's not just a matter of "who has the information." Presentation matters. Form matters. The feeling of getting something in the mail matters. I think magazines' best asset is that they can be tools for discovery: they're platters of content that show me things I didn't know I cared about.

On gaming blogs, I find myself more often skipping over headlines if they don't feature a game name I don't care about, or if they don't catch my attention, or if they reuse the same boring stock art as an centerpiece for a story on Microsoft or Bobby Kotick. I rarely feel like I'm "stumbling" into content--and that's a feeling I like.

Maybe those are just my reading habits. Overall, I'm surprised how binary some people choose to be about this "debate." Can we possibly live in a world where people read things from more than one source?
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:17PM goatchumby said

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If done right, digital magazines can give a bit of focus for developers looking to promote their product. Instead of having to scour 15 different sites for all the content mentioned (images, trailers, etc.) they can all be found in one feature.

Not having to enter some bogus birth date for videos would be great too.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:28PM ch3burashka said

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I agree with all three comments here: magazines are, by the old model, set in stone and by the time they come out, those same articles can now be found on their own website, and I am frequently disappointed because a magazine signifies a finished, polished product with a feel of exclusivity. Now, that feeling is gone.

However, there is a solution: the presentation of the magazine, but with the immediacy of the internet. If a magazine can somehow be made to incorporate updated articles and reviews, I would be very much willing to subscribe. One could say my idea already exists, in the form of the internet version of the magazines, but I'm talking about the refined experience a magazine embodies.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:55PM MrAlex said

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I dropped magazines when I got into this blog, any information that isn't already on the web is generally speculation or in some cases straight up lies.

Having them in a digital format won't change this.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 8:51PM Gwr said

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A magazine can still have some big pros.
Its easier to access all the information, sure for some it might be fun to check every blog newssite and forum for the newest information but for some its a hassle.
Or we just don't have the time anymore.

If someone can get the biggest gaming news of the week, condense all the information with some good trailers and the related information all in a good layout I would pay for that. If its like 50 a year, like the Live account. I'd pay for that. A way to easily remain in touch with everything that would save me a lot of time.

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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 11:16PM benameco said

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I see a particular problem here: Most games are controlled by moving the iPhone/iPod Touch back and forth using its built in accelerometer. It’s easy to hold a small physical device like the iPhone in two hands and tilt it every which way. It’s not as easy to do that with a 10 tablet computer. If games are the biggest thing being downloaded, it would seem to me that either there are a lot of freecell and scrabble enthusiasts out there, or these games aren’t being downloaded to a tablet sized device. Apple Tablet Compiled Details: http://is.gd/77Uea
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:18PM Cap Morgan said

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Printed magazines are a dinosaur.

Sad to admit it but the internet has killed the print medium.

Now what am I going to read on the crapper?

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:26PM Uncle Jesse said

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I don't think I'm the only one that's used a laptop on the toilet... right?
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:28PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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I'm on the crapper now!

:splash:

:courtesy flush:
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:33PM OneOfSwords said

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Congratulations -- you win the award for First Person To Say The Same Old Thing Yet Again With No New Insight And End With a Toilet Joke.

Your trophy is in the mail.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:16PM Marco le Polo said

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CONGRATULATIONS OneOfSwords! You've won the award for Biggest Douche Bag on Joystiq!

And look! Here's your award, no need to mail it!

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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:20PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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I am Captain Planet and I approve of the above comment.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 3:16AM Dao Jones said

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Isn't this supposedly the fellow that was hired by Activision for their community site?

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/22/interview-dan-amrich-of-activision-community-site-one-of-swords/

If so, I now see why they hired him.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:22PM zsavior said

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The other problem is this, my girlfriend is a huge fan of books she got an E-reader. When I saw it I made a little fun and talked about a laptop screen and such. I am completely and totally wrong, if that tablet uses an LCD screen reading on it will not be good for your eyes.

Yes it will be great for color spreads and such, but when it comes down to it and prolonged reading like a magazine for example, it will make your eyes just feel tired.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:35PM Brendan H said

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LCD's are fine for reading. Most people have no problem with eye fatigue when using PCs all day at work and at home.
Also, any kind of eye fatigue is more likely due to the act of reading itself. The problem isn't with a backlit display, it's with having to concentrate on small, detailed text. That's the real reason for eye fatigue.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:53PM samfish said

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"LCD's are fine for reading. Most people have no problem with eye fatigue when using PCs all day at work and at home."

True, but consider that when people read and stare at those LCDs all day, they don't have their eyes intensely trained in one area. Your eyes are constantly darting around your screen, down at your keyboard, etc, which helps to prevent eye fatigue. It also is a significant factor in why people's attention spans go to hell on the internet and why people don't like reading long form articles.

It's different with a magazine, book or even e-Ink. You don't have a (relatively) bright light shooting into your retinas the entire time which helps you stay focused.

There are other issues with LCD screens, too. Fonts will be one of them. Partially because by-and-large, people are still going to be stuck using sans-serif fonts since they read better on screens. Part of that reason is because the back light is blasting your eyeballs, although there are definitely other reasons to not use serif fonts on a screen. You don't have that problem with an eReader and ePaper, though, furthermore actual paper.
So from a design standpoint, that's potentially somewhat limiting and unfortunate.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:27PM Brendan H said

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Ok, did some checking. I finally found some scientific proof on the America Optimetric Association's website of something called Computer Vision Syndrome (CVS).
http://www.aoa.org/x5374.xml
But one thing I noticed: all the scientific sources are over a decade old! The most recent reference was in 1996 and the oldest was from 1981! I haven't been able to find any kind of study that deals with current technology. If anyone can find something recent, please post it here! I'd like to see if studies have been done using current display technology.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:26PM Giroro said

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Why would anyone pay for the same info they can get online for free?

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:55PM liquidsoap89 said

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That's the question of the ages right there!
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:05PM aristokrat said

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That's why magazines need to get out of the news business and into the writing business. Offer educated context and analysis, etc, since those things are not as easily reproducible. Unfortunately for the gaming media, gaming news is almost entirely news-based other than reviews and thus easily replicated.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:55PM samfish said

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They said that about .MP3s, too.

By and large, people seem to prefer reading a magazine to a website. It's just that magazines have become antiquated and slow compared to the web.
Present people with an attractive looking product that gives them everything a website does and more and there's not much reason people wouldn't buy such a thing.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:06PM Giroro said

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so samfish, are you saying that there's people out there who when given the choice of reading downloaded news off of a website and paying to download a 'magazine' from a website, they would opt for the 'magazine' provided it's formatted nicely?

I mean when you pull the physical medium out of the equation, paying for magazines is about as appealing as apple-tablet speculation on a gaming blog.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:22PM samfish said

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Essentially, yes. If you can make people feel that they're getting their monies worth, I'm sure folks would gladly plunk down 99 cents or whatever for a collection of news and features all in one place.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:27PM Gun Barrier said

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I hope this tablet will cost less than $400, or you can consider me a lost purchase.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:36PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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.........seriously?

You, uh, do realize this is Apple, right?

We'll be lucky if this thing launches at 4-5x the price you're hoping for.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:44PM rTwelve said

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It should cost more than an unsubsidized iPhone (32GB is $700 I believe). Bonus points for you if you get a Verizon subsidized one for maybe $599? After you sign away 2 years.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:49PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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Ahh, yes.

And then $150-200 a month afterwards.

/sigh
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:00PM aristokrat said

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So you think they're going to launch a scaled-up-iphone tablet for $1600-$2000? You don't have to like Apple to know that even they would realize that's crazy. Your fanboyish trolling of this article is quite apparent.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:07PM Marco le Polo said

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Yea srsly. It'll come with 2GB ($1400) and the 4GB ($2000) version and will come out with the 8GB ($2500) and the 16GB ($3000) versions 11 months later, etc. with faster speeds and the ability to put it in a manilla folder.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:36PM NaeemTHM said

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"And then $150-200 a month afterwards."

The hell terrible service do you have in Italy?!
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:28PM Giroro said

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Can we please shut the hell up about the Apple Tablet until tomorrow, AFTER we know what it is/if it exists?

I have never been so sick of hearing about an unannounced product before.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:35PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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Certainly you've gotten used to the endless circle-jerk-fest that occurs every time a new Apple product is released.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:49PM Giroro said

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I have, but usually I don't have to ignore tech blogs until AFTER the product has been announced. There's been iTablet crap plastered all over the place for weeks. I mean, even gaming blogs are desperately trying to thing up stupid reasons to post walls of moot speculation, and that is sad.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:43PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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you tired of hearing about it? you must frequent Engadget too.....I SWEAR they have been throwing out 5-10 post a day over the last month about the damn Apple Event and the stuff that may or may not be there
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:20PM Giroro said

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-I think my comments are broken-
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:26PM Giroro said

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It's not liking something I'm trying to say but short posts seem to work - I don't read engadget.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:32PM Giroro said

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is there some kind of filter now? i cant even link.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 8:22PM kojo87 said

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@ Chris D. im super sick of all the Apple nonsense on Engadget lately. my favorite was the HP Slate post. they have an actual tablet computer with a name, pictures, a video, specs and pretty much everything but a price and release date. it gets one little post. the Apple tablet which might not ever exist, gets 5 posts a day about speculated stats and image mockups. i don't understand why something is barely newsworthy until Apple does it. then they claim the site has no bias.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:45PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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CONGRATULATIONS OneOfSwords! You've won the award for Biggest Douche Bag on Joystiq!

And look! Here's your award, no need to mail it!

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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:49PM Mr Khan said

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reply fails are always delicious.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:59PM Captain Planet Planeteer Power said

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It's almost better this way.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:56PM KirbyCommando said

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but... you weren't the one who made the original comment... do you just want to use the middle finger?
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 7:53PM Kif said

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No, no. The Captain made the original comment, but reply failed, then Marco le polo came in and helped get mr middle finger to the right place.

Look at the post times.
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:48PM Mr Khan said

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It's all about content. Gaming Magazines are stuck in an awkward position, that they (usually) do not have the ability to generate premium, exclusive content, or at least exclusive content that isn't easily scanned onto the internet.

It's quite clear that people don't want what the magazines have to offer, and making them digital is not going to fix that. It may even make their plight worse, as it levels the playing field between them and the internet behemoths that have set them back anyway.

What they need to focus on are features. Features are what are saving the big news magazines (like Newsweek, which has largely reoriented itself as a quality-feature story mag, though i don't know if it's helped sales at all). Magazines need to capitalize on their ability to draw a more premium readership, who probably will be interested in more premium content (good editorials).

If the magazines could raise themselves above the general standards of fanboyishness offered by even the most prominent of gaming sites (IGN, GameSpot, 1up), they could build themselves something worthwhile.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:08PM aristokrat said

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Wait, you want them to go against the current trend of anti-intellectualism and anti-openmindedness that dominates most news channels? But how else will people get their increasingly dumber viewpoints reinforced?!?
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Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:55PM Kilau said

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I only clicked here because I saw Tim Tebow

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 5:57PM aristokrat said

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This is the longest article I've seen on Joystiq in a long time, and much more comprehensive than usual. Ironically, this ties into the idea that higher quality journalism is worth some kind of premium. One of the problems with gaming is that the news rarely needs any kind of content or analysis, and this is probably one reason why gaming media has suffered as much as it has, whereas other arenas have people wanting to know what the news means and therefore needing a quality writer. Of course, I mean no offense to the Joystiq staff, but it seems that their biggest determining hiring factors were affinity for gaming and sense of humor (puns, especially).

Ultimately, this comes down to the same point I've made regarding Natal: if someone is clever enough, they can always make money of a great idea. It's not the obvious paths that are the lucrative ones.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:03PM Brendan H said

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The possible comparison to the ipod & itunes affect on the music industry doesn't quite work. People were still buying music before the ipod. Music labels weren't losing money and going out of business like the print industry is. You can already legally get most of the content (or similar content) that newspapers and magazines offer freely on the internet. The shift to digital content for print has already been made.

Posted: Jan 26th 2010 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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That's not really true. Before iTunes, torrents and limewire/Napster were destroying the music industry. iTunes made it really easy to buy songs and buy them in smaller, single song packages than before. It reintroduced people to the idea of paying to songs again.

Today the music industry is a lot healthier than it used to be.
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