Microsoft files motion to dismiss Datel suit, cites Apple and others in defense

LOL

Well, a memory card is not an OS, that example doesn't work it doesn't apply to this.

The correct example would like saying OSX should only work with Apple branded flash drives.

In any case, this is not fair for the users and actually undermines their image that they care so much about third party companies to (as long as they don't compete with Microsoft products)...

Yes, OSx86 works on non-Apple computers. But... it's not exactly perfectly legal.

Psystar got into quite a bit of trouble trying to claim otherwise...

I thought iTunes let you import any song though. So if I buy a song from amazon or some other online marketplace I could import them into iTunes and then from there put them onto the iPhone/iPod.

Also, while it may or may not be illegal, you have to admit that it's a rather bad move for consumers. If Microsoft is the only one allowed to make official cards for the Xbox 360 then that also means they can control the price of such cards and use their monopoly to ensure that they are the only winner. Much like how everyone hates their Xbox 360 HDD prices.

For the sake of the sake of the customer getting a good deal (and not being screwed into paying $30 for only 512MB of memory) they should at least open the platform up some. Perhaps let anyone who pays a small licensing fee make their own third party cards.

A better way to put it would be I can't use itunes with any other mp3 player aside from an ipod/iphone. (Like how palm hacked the pre so it could use itunes, and apple patched it so you couldn't) Point is that things are proprietary.

And yea, it's definitely a dick move and bad for the consumer. But they're still in the right and have every right to protect their platform. Ideally MS would open up memory so you could just use any usb drive or swap in your own 2.5" hdd like the PS3. Hopefully as the PS3 continues to gain steam MS will try doing that to stay competetive, since the PS3 is already better from a feature/price perspective.

So basically:

Microsoft did a perfectly respectable [but still a dickish] move.

Datel wants to complain about something they can't.

End of story.

Microsoft is in the right? If a person can engineer their own storage solution for a product then why can't they sell it?

They can sell it, but MS doesnt have to make sure it works with their system. MS isnt saying that Datel cant sell their memory cards, all they are saying is that they have a right to restrict what type of memory cards can be used with their product.

What should happen, is that Datel lose and have to stop making the cards (or at least the cheat side of things), but MS have to sort their storage out. When it's £25-30 for 512mb, and a 4gb usb/M2/sdhc can be got for £10, It is out of order, obviously there's the MS formatting, but the price increase is excessive..

That's what Steve Jobs wants you to think!

And with that video Datel just contradicted thier whole legal case.

All they have to do is put it back on their computer, get a 512 Micro SC card and viola, the card works. It's funny that Datel never did any testing of the card after the ban to find out that the card was not disabled but just gimped to the maximum that MS allowed for the MU's. Once this is found out Datel will have a hellstorm on thier hands for false accusation.

Look at my YouTube video... I got an updated MAX Memory Card that breaks it up into four different 512MB cards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsuYgqAgoKU

@eviloni5

I actually believe this issue (that a 512MB microSD card still works with the Max Memory) will be pivotal in the case. MS should have had the size limit built-in from the beginning.

If Datel shows in court that their product will still work on the 360, but is now limited to the size of the official memory cards...I think the jury will see the truth. Microsoft couldn't compete on storage size or price, so they tried to castrate their competitor.

And if they had legal standing to sue Datel for creating the Max Memory Card, they would have filed for an injunction before the DMMC was released. If they did, then it's pretty obvious that they lost.

The fact that MS disabled the use of storage solutions larger than what they provide, that is definitely anti-competitive behavior. MS knew about the DMMC before it was released, and their Xbox vendors had to have seen it on store shelves during their rounds, yet they said absolutely nothing publicly, until Major Nelson's blog announcement advising people to back up their save files.

If Datel loses, I hope they start selling the Max Memory Cards with 512MB microSD cards (or multiple 512MB microSD cards), for dirt cheap, to undermine MS on cost. Better than getting nothing for all the returned Max Memory Cards that they will have on hand, both new or used.

What makes it even funnier is, you CAN run another OS on a mac...
O_o

I thought most Macs these days ran on standard hardware... things like Pentium processors, nVidia cards, etc.

I suppose you'd just have a hell of a time finding drivers for Mac OSX if you were trying to build/upgrade your own computer though.

@ Poon - Well officially run another OS anyway

you have it backwards; you can run any OS on an apple, but you cant run mac on anything other than an apple(legally or whatever).

Gotta call you out on this Dan, Apple officially says that you can run Windows on a Mac. They don't provide /support/ for the OS, but they do provide the required drivers and such. (Graphics card, audio card, multi-touch trackpad on the MacBooks, et cetera.)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/compatibility/

What you can't do however, is legally run OS X on a non Mac, but it can be done. Hackintosh anyone?

Not really. The Datel card slows your system when reading it. I've had Mass Effect and some other games crash a few times using it.

Out of all the things to comment on, I'm not the least surprised that's what you're complaining about.

I just think its funny that Microsoft had to admit they really haven't sold that many consoles...