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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:22AM sonicspike41 said

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It certainly sounds like a cool idea, but if it's only going to work 1/10 of the time or less, it sounds like the kind of thing they really should have refined some more... or perhaps they refined it too much and made it too specific.

Either way it's still cool as an early look into the future.

Also, welcome to Joystiq Mr. Rick Dakan.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:24AM (Unverified) said

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Wow... $300...
Did you keep the receipt?
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:24AM I AM IRONHIDE said

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until I can actually choke people with my thoughts, I'm not impressed.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:03AM Courtney said

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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:44AM Il Giuda said

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with this type of device you DON'T have to think "go right" but you have to instinctively try to force your brain to do something without actually doing that. It's not like doing a fake movement, it's really like to force your brain to send electricity to nowhere. I saw one of that thing work, the person was using it sweated only to write "hello", and was after one month training...
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:49AM nighttime said

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I would love to see Justin McElroy rub his temples while wearing this, hell i'd love to see Justin just rubbin'
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:39AM Ashkental said

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So.... you're the rubbing type of guy, eh?
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:56AM WMcPete said

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Temple rubbers.... Paul Reiser... Jeff Goldblum... Jerry Seinfeld... Is that what those guys are doing whey are rubbing their heads? Trying to control things with their minds?
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 8:51AM MaliceMajorE15 said

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Its hard not to feel taken advantage of when you have been taken advantage of. Thats how it works generally
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:48AM Evi1d33d said

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I'm pretty sure it's just a bunch of EMG sensor that monitor your facial muscle activity. So when you 'concentrate' you tense your facial muscles and the EPOC will pick it up.

So it's no mind reader at all, it's just an 'Emoti'on reader that looks at your facial movements.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:49AM ArtificeDrake formerly known as said

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It scares me how close "mind-reading controller" is to "mind-controlling reader"

just saying... *ominous*
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 9:58AM HighFiveJesus said

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problem with these awesome toys is that there is no software support from anything we already might use it with.
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Posted: Jan 28th 2010 2:19PM (Unverified) said

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Actually it comes packaged with the ability to set it up with most games you already own.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 10:11AM sindbad said

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Best line: *Playing a slow motion game of Pong that's harder and more frustrating than Ninja Gaiden on its toughest setting is not a happy experience.*

First step towards our Holodeck/Holopad-based gaming futures.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 10:15AM Vhayste said

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The idea is good but the technology is still in its infancy. It is an innovative idea but I don't think we'll be seeing a really reliable mind-controller device anytime soon.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 10:23AM BIGGEN said

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being the geek that i am, i do want this. however, i'll wait for the everyday geniuses who crack ps3's and iphones and create better software to tell us what it can really do. those are the peeps i trust with my money.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 10:51AM (Unverified) said

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PS3 isn't cracked. That was a serious exaggeration on his part.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:29AM KaCeX said

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Look at his avatar... it's barely a Homo habilis... what do you expect to explain to this guy?
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:45AM BIGGEN said

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@bradwart

you totally missed the point
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 3:25PM (Unverified) said

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At least he still has Geico...
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:25AM Levi said

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Not cool until it replaces kb&m for counter-strike and tf2. Then even I'd consider buying it and trying to hide my ownership of the device from my loved ones, so I can hear "UNSTOPPABLE" as a result of my thoughts.

It'll be neat when these get good enough and mainstream enough that people bitch about them like they bitch about the FragFX controllers
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:26AM KaCeX said

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I'll keep my keyboard and mouse, thank you very much
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:53AM OverMuch said

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Am I the only person that remembers playing a PC skiing game in the early 90's that utilized "brain waves?" You put your hand on this sensor thing, and concentrated on moving left or right as you skied down a hill.

I played it at Tower Records in, like, 91? Someone help me out here.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 12:48PM Essential17 said

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Very interesting review, thanks for posting. I usually don't click on the 'full article' button, but this was quite good actually.
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 4:58PM Glossophobia said

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Rick Dakan...the author of the Geek Mafia books? Sorry if this is the wrong guy ;)
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Posted: Jan 27th 2010 11:36PM (Unverified) said

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If this is anything like the jedi force trainer, it takes time. I spent like 5 hours on it and I can barely go between the 3 levels. It's a train your brain kind of thing, I bet you buy one of those for your 6 year old kid and when he's 16 he'll be able to use his computer without moving.
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Posted: Jan 28th 2010 2:43PM DarknessBear said

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Haha, that thing is totally fake. Read the reviews... it is just automatic you don't have any impact. It is for kids... damn man...
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Posted: Jan 28th 2010 1:09AM (Unverified) said

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I have been working on Brain-computer Interface (BCI) for a while. I don't know much about the algorithm used by Emotiv EPOC. But most of the BCI nowadays use the change in brain signal during motor imagery (like imagining moving your hand, instead of actually moving it. Not visual imagination, but imagining subjectively moving your hand. Yes, that a bit hard to explain...) for control. During motor imagery, there is a decrease in energy of the brain signal in certain frequency band, so the computer can analyze this signal feature and classify your intention. And different motor imagery (like moving hand, moving legs etc.) will have different spatial distribution over your head and so can be used to differentiate against different kinds of intention.

Usually it is the motor imagery that is important. Saying "right" out loud in the heart can't create a clear signal for the device to work on, simply because verbal intention won't produce noticeable change in brain signal. Of course, over time the brain will adapt and you can stop imagining the hand movement and think directly at the intended action. But it is always better to start with motor intention first.

BCI is really as much about the subject as the device. That said, I am still doubtful whether such a small device can do the job well. In research we usually use brain signal amplifier that costs more than $10,000.
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Posted: Jan 29th 2010 1:45AM (Unverified) said

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I've had one of these (the develper version) for a while. The reviewer has not been entirely fair! The damn thing works - but the user has to train quite a bit more than the reviewer seems to have. Spend a few hour playing with it and you start to get it. Scrunch up your face or strain too hard and it won;t see your brainwaves - only your muscles.
Let's go through it. Expressiv (the facial expressions) does not need to be trained at all. It does a passable job of working out your expression and it works in real time. The avatar on screen looks like a slightly hyperactive version of your face. He didn;t mention Affectiv at all - the software tracks your emotions (or some of them - excitement, meditation and engagement). Cognitiv (the magic Jedi stuff) is fabulous and works ok almost immediately, but you need to spend a bit of time to get it going. A few hours of playing is all it takes. Hell, who wants a flashy new brain interface that doesn't take a bit of skill to use?
As for the sensors falling out all over the place, he obviously didn't read the troubleshooting sections on Emotiv forum. Check it out - this is super easy to fix!
Now for the killer - you can link all these detections to keystrokes that can fire up your existing games. Smile, and you can send :-) to your avatar in Second Life. Think LIFT and you can type the levitation spell in your Harry Potter game. Check out the Emotiv user forum for other games - someone is even playing Portal.
The Cortex Arcade app is a third-party application. The game that comes with the Emotiv is called Spirit Mountain. It's not too bad toshow what the tech can do - the background colour links to your excitement level, sound gets louder, softer, faster and slower with your mood, and there are a few cool mind training activities.
Now to blow you away, one of the developers has hooked the EPOC up to a 5-axis robot arm. Check out the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cq35VbRpTY
This thing is super-cool. Just takes a bit of getting used to. From a standing start I can get into a game in less than 2 minutes. Not exactly plug and play, but not as bad as 5-10 minutes as the reviewer said.
And it really reads brain waves.You can freeze your face and muscles, talk, pull faces, whatever, and the detections still work fine.
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Posted: Mar 2nd 2010 4:21PM (Unverified) said

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Is it not excactly like a baby learning how to walk. It takes a while, because the brain has never learned to do it before. With this device your brain also needs to learn what moves the cube, for example... The way to judge it is ofcourse by looking at it. So who could expect that you could control your computer in a day with this device?

If I want to move something to the right, I can think of the word "right" but in another language it is probably different (rechts in dutch ;) ) so that probably is not the way to go. Thinking of an object in your mind moving that direction might....

I think this device is all about learning. If it can distrinct different thought patterns...

Though I have no experience with the device (yet...)
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Posted: Oct 28th 2010 4:30AM grundge said

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This thing is such a scam. I knew that the second I read that it had a built in gyroscope...that little baby is what is doing all the mind reading magic. It has obviously been programmed to work in a way that the user believes he/she is thinking the actions, but insead its the gyroscope picking up the slight movements of the users head that gives the actions.

Of course it wants you to think hard...UP UP UP because while you are not aware of it, there is a very good chance that you are also nudging your head upwards at the same time. The gyroscope picks up even the slightest movement and then sends that message to the computer.

Very smart scam indeed, I can see how the dim witted can easily duped by such a scheme.
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Posted: Nov 16th 2010 8:34AM carbonecz said

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@grundge

That's the first thing I've tested and I couldn't find any correlation between the gyroscope and those actions. I even mapped different actions for gyroscope and thoughts and the software never confused those two.

However all this is nothing new, a lot of it was possible even 40 years ago just not as non-invasive device for $299.
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Posted: Feb 1st 2011 3:28PM TenTwentyOne said

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This is a great review of the Epoc. I do some work with Lexus Magazine, and they recently did a piece on the Epoc, and included an interesting video demonstration. It's definitely worth the look for anyone who's interested: http://drivers.lexus.com/lexusdrivers/magazine/content.do#:/pub-share/magazine/html/Lexus-Lifestyle/Mind-Games.html
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Posted: Nov 30th 2011 6:22PM Brain0Man said

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I found the EMOTIV EPOC to be a poorly made device. I believe there are better alternatives out there.
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