FFXIII development started on PS2, delayed launch by a year and a half

FF13's graphics are not "failure". They don't look bad at all. That being said, I don't think it's anywhere near the best looking games I've seen this gen, but they're far from "failure"

DS and PSP really is their bread-and-butter in Japan at this point. The really hardcore JRPGs are on the consoles, of course, but they also all have DSes or PSPs.

In the West, the hardcore JRPG fans are still on the consoles, but it's a diminishing market in the West anyway.

gmoyajp: that... made no sense....

@BigFat

I've played the game and the graphics are amazing. They're far from average but like most things graphics are wholly subjective. The world they crafted in this game is one of the most beautiful worlds I've seen. You said the graphics were a letdown and described them as "failure" ... LOL

You are basically saying that the real time graphics aren't as good as a CG trailer and that means the graphics are terrible? Are you really that naive or is this just some console warrior crusade?

Protip: CG graphics are pre-rendered. They can look as good or as bad as the company wants them to. If I remember right, weren't they saying the in-game graphics would look as good as current CG graphics? If so, that's not much of a stretch. Most current gen games look better than the CG cutscenes released during the PS1/2 era.

Calling any part of the game a failure based solely on low-quality youtube videos when you don't even like that genre in the first place is pretty idiotic and asinine.

Bigfat, just stop. Seriously. Watching a low-quality YouTube video is not the way to determine graphical quality.

Using the Cell isn't just referring to graphical quality, seeing as the Cell and the RSX are two distinct things.

Once the game launches, (not that you'll be able to tell, as you'll play the inferior 360 version) the graphics will look great.

Actually developers are using the cell in tandem with the RSX to create better graphics than just using the RSX by itself. So, having the cell does mean better graphics. This is usually only realized and utilized on exclusive games.

The graphics are beautiful. Not good, great, ok, average ... but exceptional.

You're just being a jerk because you don't like final fantasy or the PS3. In fact, you are the only person I've seen complain about the graphics. We all know why that is.

It sounds to me that you are just bitter at its success. Big deal, people like a franchise you don't. Get over it. What exactly does it need to evolve to? Its such a cliche argument that doesn't hold any weight. If you want a tactical shooter rpg then Final Fantasy isn't made for you. No reason to waste time being bitter because millions of other people are excited about a game you don't like.

Actually I do remember way back when those cg trailers were given as an example of how ffXIII would look in real time, so Bigfat does have a solid point, even if it's made in a way that could sound fanboyish, depending how you're interpreting it.

Most RPG develoeprs were content to stay with the PS2 because they werent sure which next gen system to follow, or if they even needed to follow one of them, because there's like 250 million PS2s in circulation. To abandon a user base like that for one that barely had 3 million in the first year would be madness unless you truely had a game that couldnt be done on that generation of hardware.

If the original game was intended for the PS2 then it would have been a very different game than what they're putting out now.

If they were playing the wait and see game then they failed since everyone laughed off the PS3 at first.

Also, the PS2 had around 140-150m last year, so probably around 120-130m when the PS3 released.

Fudgery dudgerykins... That was a reply to Johnny care of @ BigFat.

I think it stems fron this:
http://kotaku.com/5430803/bioware-on-the-decline-of-the-jrpg

"The fall of the JRPG in large part is due to a lack of evolution, a lack of progression," BioWare co-founder Greg Zeschuk told Destructoid last week.

People repeat that talking point almost verbatim since Zeschuk made the statement on that fateful day. Since then we've had this sort of new breed of Western RPG fanboys who have to trash and rail on everything not made (RPG wise) by a Western developer. I don't agree with the notion that all JRPGs are the same, either. You've got turn based, real time, strategy and hybrids of everything in between. What western RPG developers have been able to do is sort of combine action and shooting genres with the rpg genre.

White Knight Chronicles is going to push the genre as a whole forward, I think. You've got the epic single player campaign, real time combat, character customization and the end-all-be-all of online modes that features 4 player co-op and the creation of a virtual town to farm and sell goods to other players. I'm interested to see how it's supported.

"for years gets released after all these years "

Grammar fail, upvote this.