Miyamoto mentions new hardware, new MotionPlus games

In other news, hardcore tech nerds are disappointed that the Wii's system specs do not cater to hardcore tech nerds.

Seriously, the major complaint that people seem to have against the Wii is that it is not like its competitors. I dunno about you guys, but part of the reason I LIKE Nintendo is because they are nothing like their competitors; for better or worse, they always do their own thing, and you can take it or leave it.

Leave it up to people who don't know what the hell they are talking about to troll the Wii.

"oh, look. I read a article on why the Nintendo Wii isn't as powerful as the 360 or PS3"

Thanks for the obvious dumbshit.

@gatotsu911
" the Wii is that it is not like its competitors."

You can say that again, the Wii's competitors have too many good games. I hate not being able to count them all on one hand.

@Giroro: The fact that the console has been underserved by third-party developers is not an inherent flaw in its design. If anything, it's more indicative of the "bigger is better" mindset that pervades the market right now, that Nintendo specifically wanted to get away from.

Depends on how you define revolutionary, of course. A revolution nominally destroys an old way of thinking and replaces it with a new one, which he has at least partially done this generation (creating a new way of thinking about the definition of gaming, though he certainly hasn't destroyed the old notions about it)

@Khan

Thats true. I was specifically talking games themselves. What games has he done lately that have innovated? I'm genuinely asking.

http://www.toysrus.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3448401&CAWELAID=298470657

click on the profile.

mystery solved

I don't think it was any sort of mystery to begin with...

It really wasn't a mystery. It's pretty much well known and I even put a pretend URL in case there was confusion. I think you already knew all of that though.

I akin it to what Halo was able to do with the FPS genre.

It just added custom levels. It did nothing to redefine the actual experience, though i'll grant that it did supply a near-endless stream of content

The problem is that user-made levels are a poor substitute for professional content, but content is content.

I never said it built the genre. But, it did a lot more to push it forward than Galaxy and NSMBW combined. I was having this discussion with my fiance a few minutes ago over a cigarette. I asked her point blank (she loves both games): between Galaxy and LBP which game do you think is more fun to play and why? She said (after contemplation) Galaxy is more fun to plau and it's because the difficulty is easier but its not so easy that she can breeze through it. Then, I asked her which once she felt pushed the platforming genre forward more: she didn't hesitate and said LBP because it offered a more customizable and creative experience.

If you think that all LBP added was a level editor then you haven't put any time into the game.

I didn't say it raped SMG I said it took the platformer genre and made that its bitch. Thats because it did things no other platformer has ever done, and pushed the genre a lot further than other modern platformers. They took the torch and ran with it.

"Neither game is perfect and both are enjoyable in their own ways, but to categorically state that LBP is so vastly superior to SMG, especially when things like review scores clearly disagree, is absurd."

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps3/littlebigplanet
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supermariogalaxy?q=mario%20galaxy

2 points difference on the average isn't "clearly" anything. Besides, I was talking about the genre as a whole and I still think LBP did more for platformers in one game than we've seen from the collective development community in two console cycles combined.

"but ultimately fell short by ignoring core gameplay tenets of the genre"

The controls are physics based, not canned animations like SMG/NSMB so you have to understand how much pressure to put on the buttons when you jump, for example. Not every jump is the same jump, some people didn't like that because they were used to Mario.

What was wrong with the level design of the on disc ones? They were themed and oozing with personality and unique little challenges. The challenge levels are also super fun and addicting.

Everyone making a platformer has to try and one up Little Big Planet because of what MM was able to build.

"I didn't say it raped SMG I said it took the platformer genre and made that its bitch. Thats because it did things no other platformer has ever done, and pushed the genre a lot further than other modern platformers. They took the torch and ran with it."

1) Do you not know what being one's bitch means? Don't play semantics with me.
2) By saying that, you're also saying that SMG didn't do things a 3D platformer has never done. I'm saying that in terms of pushing the genre forward from a gameplay perspective, SMG did a lot more.
LBP did great co-op and...had a level editor. I'm not going to say that it was anything innovative because it's insanely complex if you want to do anything truly creative with it. That was really the main selling point of the game before it released – that it had a level editor that was supposedly simple yet deep; but it was ultimately so inaccessible for most people that it was kind of a failure in that sense. It was more deep than it was simple.

I'm not saying it didn't pushing the platforming genre forward (BTW, this argument is irrelevant anyway, since we're talking 2D vs 3D), but in terms of design and rethinking the fundamentals of the genre, it is a very far cry from being able to say anything was reinvented.

"The controls are physics based, not canned animations like SMG/NSMB so you have to understand how much pressure to put on the buttons when you jump, for example. Not every jump is the same jump, some people didn't like that because they were used to Mario."

They weren't 'used to Mario', they were used to every other platforming game ever.
If Mm REALLY had reinvented the genre as you said, the lack of precision-based controls would have been an asset to the game and something that was praised.
But since they didn't ACTUALLY do anything to re-think the genre, there was no shortage of players who lamented the controls.

"What was wrong with the level design of the on disc ones? They were themed and oozing with personality and unique little challenges. The challenge levels are also super fun and addicting."

I've only played maybe 15-20 or so levels, so my opinion is very much so open to changing, if/when I pick up a PS3; although I at least know I'm not the only person to take issue with them. Still, from everything I played, nothing stuck me as either exceptionally creative or have that 'challenging but fair' design about them.

Contrary to what you might think, I actually DO like the game. It just did nothing to knock my socks off, is all.

"By saying that, you're also saying that SMG didn't do things a 3D platformer has never done. I'm saying that in terms of pushing the genre forward from a gameplay perspective, SMG did a lot more."

I'm saying that LBP has done things no other platforming game has ever done to this point. Thats a fact, not opinion. Galaxy was basically sunshine played on round worlds.

"I'm not going to say that it was anything innovative because it's insanely complex if you want to do anything truly creative with it."

It's not innovative because you can't hack it? Thats rich. Mod Nation Racers is basically the idiots version of Little Big Planet. They made it so anyone (even a toddler) could make a level. Hopefully it has enough depth for people who want more customization. Mod Nation Racers you could say is a more customizable version of Mario Kart. LBP is completely different because you can create whatever you want from scratch.

"it was ultimately so inaccessible for most people that it was kind of a failure in that sense. It was more deep than it was simple."

It's a failure? There are in game tutorials for beginners, there are online tutorials and workshops. If you want to be good at something you've got to put the time into it. I'll take something thats deep over something thats dumbed down any day. The community doesn't have a problem and basically it helps separate the have's from the have not's. Thats my fear with Mod Nation: so simple anyone can easily recreate your level.

"I'm not saying it didn't pushing the platforming genre forward"

So you agree with me then? Why waste your time countering an argument I never made in the first place? Placate your ego or defend the home team?

"No way are they ever going back to the core market" Do you mean people who buy Animal crossing? Or 2D Mario games? Who exactly is Nintendo's core market?

I guess Super Mario Galaxy 2, Zelda Wii, Metroid Other M and Sin & Punishment 2 have all been canceled...

Those games don't even register on the boner scale.

Sounds like it's time to ask your doctor about Cialis.

@Samfish: That was the most perfect response I have ever read.

They like playing havoc with thread continuity

:P

Wait - so you get a headache and now Mario Galaxy isn't any good? This takes anecdotal evidence to new heights. :)

I get a headache playing Conduit and that doesn't mea- wait, bad example.

I don't think Mario Galaxy was genre-changing, by the way, but I do think it was genre-defining (the kind of definition that could be paraphrased as 'this is how you make the best 3d platform game ever, up to this point').