2K Marin: Console wars 'drown out creative discourse'

by Mike Schramm on Feb 9th 2010 4:00AM

The initially Xbox 360-exclusive BioShock was one of the major salvos in the ongoing console wars, waged on message boards and comment sections everywhere (including right here on this very site). Speaking with Destructoid, BioShock 2 producer Jordan Thomas expressed hope that the multi-platform sequel -- which launches today -- doesn't play a similarly divisive role. According to Thomas, "platform partisanship" is just silly and it "seems to flood the critical channels and drown out other creative discourse."

Which sounds about right -- whenever a piece of news comes up that swings even close to the differences between the various consoles, the discussion usually degenerates into the same old arguments, and new and more interesting issues get drowned out like Andrew Ryan's old city. 2K Marin didn't ask in so many words, but we will: Would you kindly all just get along?

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Tags: 2k-marin, bioshock, bioshock-2, comments, console, console-wars, fighting, insults, jordan-thomas, message-boards, platform-partisanship, sdf, sequel, sony-defense-force, xbox

Reader Comments (59)

you're gonna get fired

nobody would comment on joystiq if it wasn't something to do with console wars

Somebody give this guy a medal, you have dissected why comments exist on game news sites. Only you possess the power to finally kill Bradwart.

Well, we could all make witty and insightful posts instead. They're pretty fun too.

Yes, Hyams, but that would require everyone to visit gaming news sites to be intelligent. Judging by the 7 year olds playing Halo out there, that isn't happening. There will always be idiots. Always.

That Guy is a voice of reason.

This is why I'm happy I own all the consoles.

As am I... Well, maybe not so much the Wii, but my PS3 makes for a lovely blu ray player AND gaming device and my 360 was my first proper entry into current generation gaming.

Well aren't you special. Are you typing from your personal jet too?!

*throws keyboard in jealous rage*

Yeah, I am lucky enough to own them all this generation, as well. Pretty much the only thing that keeps me more loyal to one over the other at this point is the controller. But I will keep which controller I prefer to myself so as not to incite a console war debate.

^ obviously talking about the Wii.

@NoughtSoObvious

I actually prefer the 360 controller to the other two.

Yeah. I was joking. I'd love a 360 controller with a PS3 (or Wii Classic for that matter) D-Pad.

Well, isn't that the kind of trouble you ask for if you make an exclusive title..?

If there really is a thing as "console wars" does that means that I'm a no good, backstabbing, triple dealing, covert low down spy for owning all three?

I feel dirty now....

You're a whore.

Hey now we talking about console wars not your m......

Oh you were joking, my bad.

Yeah I was ;) or was I :p

Anyways, I rather envy you.

Oh no we are having a decent time and breaking the rules of this so called WAR!

We must not get along....We m-m-must... choose SIDES!

"'platform partisanship' is just silly"

Exactly, I blame Sony for that "Resistance is PS3-exclusive" crap :p Flame on.

Yeah, we shouldn't blame anyone one company for the console wars that Sony totally started.

I thought Atari started the console war when they sued Magnavox over KC Munchkin on the Odessey 2.

I am an old fart.

Hey! The Sega Nomad was awesome. It was my first ever console (or handheld or whatever you want to call it) that was really mine and I didn't have to share with my sister.

It was all yours for like, 10 minutes... Then the battery died and it belonged to the wall charger..

Wonder why this is the first post with the tag "sony defense force"

Troll baiting

No console wars? like World Peace?! Who's he, a Miss World wanna be or somethin??

Every time somebody brings up a game in a console argument, the game gets free publicity. I don't see a problem with that.

Well, I guess 360's Bioshock exclusivity (and others) is a big eff you to PS3's GoW and Resistance-exclusivity.

Oh wait but Bioshock 2 IS on PS3. Big fail to me.

No...your fail is using first party titles to compare with third party ones

No, I think my fail is not understanding what you just said :p I didn't even know (obviously, since you pointed it out) there were first party and third party titles. Can you explain?

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Without exclusives, there is no need to choose in between an Xbox or a PS3. This could start a hardware monopoly. And monopoly is bad for the consumer. Exclusives are not necessarily bad.

Right on, and by rights it should spur more creative responses from other teams. Which is good for the industry as whole and all consumers of the software.

The only flaw I see in this utopian ideology is that most of these dev teams are not being paid by any of the big three per se, so they need to get the content out on as many platforms as possible. Else they have no job.

It would also help to have a sound money system in place that promotes good.....meh...nevermind. Just know there's a better way out there.

Man. Shooting himself in the foot at every chance possible.

Uhhhh third party exculsives....bad....

First party....not bad

Exactly what you said.

I wish there was just one console. Then all of the devs could focus on 1 version of one game or have more time to make more games as opposed to making the same game for different consoles.

@Space: It there was only one console, the manufacturer could charge as much as he want, and you had to pay, or GTFO. And the technological advance would be slower.
With more competition, better technology, better products, better price.

Space, you really need to rethink the pluses and minuses to what you just said. The minuses will win I am betting.

I'd say it has more to do with the immaturity level of a lot of video game enthusiasts. It's kind of sad how it's common knowledge that the average gamer is something like 20-35 years old but at the same time most games are made to target teenage boys with ADD.

I HATE console-exclusive games. While Im glad I have a PS3 since I love God of War and Uncharted (LBP was a blast too), I would like to give the likes of Mass Effect, Halo, and Fable a go.

Well Bob, since you did post at 7:30am this morning, I assume you were at home. If you were, I also assume you posted this using your computer (unless you were using your phone's browser). If that's the case, all three of those games are available on the PC and they dont' require any heavy specs to use in today's PC market.

Fable 2 and halo 3 aren't on PC....which is why I got a 360

I wish those games as well as Gears 2 were on PC as well. Maybe they'll come eventually.

if they came to PC at this point I doubt the will do shit in sales...not to mention I would be kicking myself...lol

@ ToTheMoon

Perhaps, like myself, he has a Mac.

also, BigBadBob, not only was Little Big Planet amazing, it still is!

"[W]henever a piece of news comes up that swings even close to the differences between the various consoles, the discussion usually degenerates into the same old arguments..."

Aided and abetted by "pro" game bloggers damn near every single time.

Oh, sure, they like to make-believe they're standing on the sidelines scratching their heads, wondering why commenters say the things they do, closing their posts with disingenuous remarks like "Would you kindly all just get along?" But it's all bullshit. "Pro" bloggers don't answer to their readership -- they answer to the person signing their paychecks, and that means succulent flame bait to drive page views up.

Jack Tretton speaks the truth...

Careful....I said the same thing 2 years ago and they deleted my post THEN my account "mysteriously" stopped working....

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