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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:37PM CaramelZappa said

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But rumble is a last gen feature!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:38PM emperorzeroxx said

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I feel sympathetic to your situation however it is not the game companies fault your color blind.. simply the amount of gamers that fit in that 10% of males is not really worth the effort or cost for game developers to give a crap.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:43PM CaramelZappa said

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Yea, it's not their fault, but they could still be accommodating. It takes almost no effort to include a second set of textures with symbols to make it easier for colorblind gamers, and that's 10% more people that can enjoy your game. If you look at it only in terms of money, say a game sold 100k units, and 10k of them are colorblind. If these people hadn't bought the game because of something so simple and easy to add that's $60,000 down the drain.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:15PM emperorzeroxx said

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wow you are really dense caramel... do you develop games? a whole second set of textures would not be an easy task, and would cost a lot more than they don't. And as for the tea bag kid, the only reason libraries include those ramps is because they have to by law due to the Americans with Disabilities Act. However before that act they treated it the same way as the game developers are treating you color blinded people, just wasn't worth the money....although ramps really aren't expensive...but still...
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 2:12AM Deschain said

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I tried to down vote you more but it would not let me for what ever reason.

So, instead emperorzeroxx, I'm just letting you know personally that your posts are bad and you should feel bad.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 2:55AM eat it said

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tea bag I addressed this in detail up above. I'm all for them adding an option for the color blind. but that library comment is stupid.

video games are a luxury. and it is also a young industry. everything is not perfect, but it's slowly getting better. Things take time.

if you are going to get upset about this then why not complain about controllers and how they are only made for people with two hands. Especially the Wii, why does nintendo hate amputees so much? where do we draw the line? Why has no game ever offered closed captioning? not subtitles, but things like "wind blowing" "Dogs barking"

again it's a young industry, companies have deadlines and budgets to meet and sometimes they just have to go for the majority to stay afloat. They are not receiving money from the government. and there are no laws forcing them to do so.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 3:12AM emperorzeroxx said

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ah finally someone else on joystiq with intelligence, I've gotta agree with space. Especially considering the economy is in a recession right now you can not expect them to add unnecessary expenses to there already low budget when such a small percentage of people will make use of it.. and also as he mentioned there are many types of disabilities out there. You guys are just selfish to think you are of more importance than other disabled individuals.. heck there's even disabilities far worse than amputees out there. They can't help everyone... you just gotta live with it or choose the games you play more wisely and stop being such babies.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 1:37PM (Unverified) said

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the downvote system on joystiq was a pretty stupid addition imo... emperorzeroxx made valid, intelligent points.

"zomg, you have a different opinion than me, DOWNVOTE!"



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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 4:15PM Deschain said

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He made the type of point Bobby Kotick or any other money hungry CEO would make. In other words It's not a good one. The amount of time and money it takes to accommodate colorblind and deaf people is minimal. Sure there are several disabilities out there, but common ones like these are easily integrated into the gaming experience.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2010 12:29AM ShooShooShooMF said

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@eldee

Downvote = Democracy.

Nitwits get their posts downvoted and made nearly invisible, while the special people get pretty blue tinting around their magnificent messages.

God bless America!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:40PM (Unverified) said

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Please fix this 2K!! It is so frustrating to do the hacking mini-game like this, I get it wrong about 50% of the time. Red and green look exactly the same. Put stripes or a star or something in the green spaces or better yet give us back the old hacking mini-game.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:56PM CaramelZappa said

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Honest question: If you can't distinguish between red and green, how do you drive? Can you even?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:01PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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"better yet give us back the old hacking mini-game."

You shut your mouth.

Replacing that was the best thing they did in this sequel. =P
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:02PM monkeyontherun4 said

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@ CaramelZappa

you know a light has 3 different lights.. so the bottom on means go and the top means stop. so its not hard to remember which one is go and stop
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:04PM sonicspike41 said

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I feel sorry for you. That's gotta suck when you mess up. Does Bioshock 2 still trigger the alarm when you mess up sometimes? I can just imagine you having low health, finding a safe in a nice quiet area, failing the hack, then getting shot to hell by security bots.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:04PM CaramelZappa said

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@Ian
Right, didn't even think about that. Stupid question, then.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:22PM Shadow0324 said

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My father is color blind and tells the difference of traffic lights the same way. He does think those flashing red lights (the ones with the bright flash behind it) are the way to go though. In a storm its hard to see....just pointing it out.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 3:40AM Manifest37 said

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I'm on the "bring back the old mini-game" bandwagon!!
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 11:06AM trickfred said

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I'd love the old mini game back too. I played the pipe game every chance I got. It was fun, and was actually a slight challenge in later levels (which I assume people whined about, the only reason I can think of for its removal). The utter mediocrity of the 'stop the needle' thing is ridiculously simple and boring. As for the fact that enemies paused while you played it, well, they could have just fixed that instead of replacing it entirely.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:45PM CaramelZappa said

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Best of luck. This shouldn't be a hard thing to fix and hopefully 2K will listen to their customers. They listened when the original game had problems with FOV in widescreen mode as well as with the ridiculous DRM the original game shipped with, so hopefully they'll listen this time too.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:49PM (Unverified) said

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*sigh*
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:41PM (Unverified) said

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Congratulations on making it to the bottom of my post this time. Quite an achievement. Perhaps next you could work on a rebuttle that had more than just insults.

Baby steps.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 10:42AM dotzeno said

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it's really hard to walk upstairs if you're legs don't work. oh RIGHT. they made elevators and ramps for that. DOH!
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:50PM (Unverified) said

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It's also really hard to game if you've got arthritis, you're completely blind, or any one of numerous other physical handicaps.

I feel for you, but just because a game is hard for some people doesn't mean they should run around patching it to dumb it down for everyone else.

Now I'm no expert on colour blindness (clearly) so if there is a way to make the hacking tool CB friendly without diluting the experience for everyone else I'm all for it. But seriously, using colours to distinguish between things is a pretty much game design 101, heck, it's life design 101. Isn't a little rich to be complaining about it now.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:53PM CaramelZappa said

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You sir, are an idiot.

Dumbing it down for everyone else? They just need to add symbols to the hacking game. And this can be an option, called "colorblind mode" in the menus just like every other game that has a colorblind mode.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:57PM Zugare said

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You are an idiot. There are simple ways to fix problems like this that do not dumb down the game in any way. And if the though of your game being playable to people with disabilities angers you so much, they can just put a toggle in the options.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:25PM (Unverified) said

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Clearly I should have added ADD to the list of example problems because seemingly neither of you two concentrate long enough to read past my second sentence.

Firstly, I made it perfectly clear that if there is a way they can modify it without watering the experience down for others then I'm all for it. Secondly, I'm not 'angered' in the slightest - how you got that from my post is beyond me.

The point I am making is that colour blindness is but one of many afflictions, syndromes, disabilities, disorders etc that can affect gamers. Where do developers draw the line? Do you want toggles and alternative settings in for everything?

Take epilepsy for instance, how do they deal with that? The put a warning up at the start of the game (if you're lucky) and press on. Would you rather Aliens VS Predators have an epilepsy setting in the menu that turns the lights on the entire game?

Pull your butt kissing politically correct heads in gentlemen, it IS still possible in this day and age to have an opinion without necessarily being and insensitive a-hole. Something you have incorrectly assumed me to be.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:31PM CaramelZappa said

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"without necessarily being and insensitive a-hole. Something you have incorrectly assumed me to be."

I never called you an "a-hole", I called you an idiot, and I stand by that statement.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:04PM (Unverified) said

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Congratulations on making it to the bottom of my post this time. Quite an achievement. Perhaps next you could work on a rebuttle that had more than just insults.

Baby steps.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:50PM (Unverified) said

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Colorblindness is surprisingly common, but it is still difficult to know when exactly to appease that demographic
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:14PM Dustin F said

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I think instead of burdening the game devs gamers with this problem should get TVs that can change the color palette.

It's a slippery slope once you start shoving political correctness down other people's throats. Target got sued because their website ws hard for blind people to read.

It's not fair to require everything be accessible to everyone because that is incredibly, prohibitively difficult to implement. What you do with these standards is eliminate any small devs from competition. Sure, in this case it's easy. So?

Instead, place the onus on the individual. If you are deaf, figure out a way to deal. If you can't do math, don't get math games or carry a calculator. If you're color blind, get a TV that screws with the colors until you can tell the difference. Take personal responsibility.

Games are not a right. Equal access to games is not a right. I realize I'll be downranked for this, but this blog doesn't cater to every disability, so it really is out of line to cast stones.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:17PM (Unverified) said

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Well said. I attempted to say the same thing above and was down ranked and flamed as expected.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:55PM TheStatelyOne said

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I'm pissed, being colorblind makes certain games unplayable
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:56PM 343 Guilty Fart said

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Totally off topic but I just noticed that the achievements for the new Borderlands DLC are up. Looks like you can level up to 61 now.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:01PM sonicspike41 said

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61? That seems a little random. I was expecting a nice even number like 60 or 70. Not that I'm complaining though since it gives me a reason to want to go back (and finally get some of the latest DLC).
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:58PM Wiizer said

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I guess you could say 2K....

*Puts on sunglasses*

.. didn't see that one coming.


(No seriously, I can't see right now... I put sunglasses on while indoors...)
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:02PM Ezio Auditore da Firenze said

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Do you wear your sunglasses at night?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:04PM PirateEmery said

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We're not asking for a handout... just that CERTAIN shades of red and green are not used right next to each other. I mean, one can easily exaggerate the green-ness or the red-ness to opposite sides of their respective spectrum and everyone would be happy.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 9:53AM eat it said

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While that would help come colorblind people it would make no difference at all and it might make it worse for other color blind people.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:05PM kentuckyfried said

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Well...I guess 2K should've included a trophy for "beat the game without doing any hacking." It might be hard to fix that "issue."

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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:16PM Dustin F said

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This comment section isn't accessible to those who are blind or too poor to afford a computer. Or people who lost their hands. Or children under the age of 3.

Some games won't work for epileptics or color blinds or deafs or speakers of X language.

And that's 100% OK. I wish they had left Wipeout alone. I wish they were able to present their work as intended, and those who have the misfortunate of a disability simply found other games to play.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:23PM (Unverified) said

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A great example of this is in Modern Warfare:2 the perk Sit-Rep (let's you see claymores on the map, even through walls) uses a "Holographic" type red, that not only blends in with certain backgrounds, but gets lost in explosions etc. I literally can not see it unless i'm 3 inches away from the claymore. A whole perk made useless.

Another example I saw the other night is that apparently when an enemy is in front of a smoke grenade, their name actually comes out a green color which can get you killed rather quickly.

If you've never had to deal with colorblindness good for you, it's a deceptively frustrating thing that when people have it can literally break a game and make it un-playable (puzzle fighter).
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 10:43AM dotzeno said

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thank you
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:31PM Trunks said

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This affects me too. And I own the game, so it's not like I can boycott it.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:34PM KRISC123 said

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My Brother is colourblind. but he is also a very good guesser...............
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:36PM GuardianLegend said

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On a semi-related note... I rented this for my PS3 and after seeing all those hacking games in Mass Effect 2... I've refused to do the hacking games in Bioshock 2. As a result, I find the game pretty difficult and am constantly low on ammo.

No more hacking mini-games, please, game devs!

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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:39PM mcarage said

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Oh wow I never even realized there was a red.

I just always went with blue when it appeared and I think thats the only time red appears so I never knew that wasn't green.

Damn parents (mainly mom) ruining video games for me.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:43PM CynicalStrike said

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Was I the only person who actually liked the Pipe Dream mini-game in BioShock? Keeping that would have avoided this issue outright.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 10:49PM CaramelZappa said

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I liked it too, but I can appreciate the new one since it doesn't distract from the action of the game and keeps things moving quickly.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 11:12AM trickfred said

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No, you're not the only one. Can't understand why they removed it.
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