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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:33AM samfish said

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You can mostly blame Ubisoft for this one. They not only didn't market it (which isn't surprising, since they straight up admitted they chose not to push the original, either), but they also chose to release it when not only Mass Effect 2 came out, but also against Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

It's even more insane because the original sold roundabouts 500,000 copies and had a lot of goodwill and mind share from gamers and the sequel is hands down considered vastly superior to the original. For them to not push the game is a crime. Those are the exact conditions needed to have a sequel outsell it's predecessor!


The Wii doesn't have enough of a built in core audience to support this kind of stuff without marketing. All I saw was an ad on Kotaku for it for about a week.. Ubisoft deserve scorn (more than they usually do) for letting the game whither and die like that. I wish Marvelous would have found another publisher.
This is one time when Sega would have been the smart choice.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:09PM Dopple Boppler said

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This is true, releasing it so close to Tatsunoko vs Capcom was a bad move; I'd have loved to check NMH2 out, but I've been dying for a good 2-D fighter so that's where my money went.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:20PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Not only Tatsunoko vs Capcom and Mass Effect but also Playstation exclusive MAG and on the heels of Bioshock 2. You had 360 owners buying ME2, PS3 owners buying MAG and sadly most Wii owners were buying NSMBW, Mario Kart, Wii Fit and Wii Play. I kind of expected lower numbers for tats vs caps but not this game. It should've done better.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:45AM (Unverified) said

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Proof in point, I didn't even know this game was out already....

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:55AM CaramelZappa said

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I bought it and would buy it again.

You know, you guys only had a handful of posts about NMH2 pretty early on in the announcements. You made sure to have thousands of posts about Mass Effect 2 but someone who doesn't visit too often would have easily forgotten NMH2 was even coming out.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:04PM ScottG13 said

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I like it and I like the improvements made on the first. Probably one of 2 or 3 games I'll buy for my Wii in 2010. I think I only bought Dead Space: Extraction in 2009.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:17PM (Unverified) said

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Put this game on the PS3 and it will sell (I'd buy it). Wii owners only seem to want rehashed 20 yr old Mario games to play/not play.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:22PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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As a Wii port to the PS3 it'd sell the same. Maybe if it was made from the ground up for the PS3 or 360 and people were expecting it, maybe then (and far from a certainty) it could've sold better.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:23PM samfish said

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So why don't you buy it on the Wii instead? There are obviously games you want on the system.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 2:07PM (Unverified) said

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ok hardcore nintendo fans where you at? If you liked the first one then im sre you gonna love this!(I know i did)

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:30PM Ashitaka said

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I guess No More Heroes 2

*puts sunglasses on*

Is desperately strug gling to sell

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:34PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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I wanna kiss you. (not really you ... but suzy kolber)
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:33PM Ashitaka said

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Aha. I know it's funny, but it was such an easy joke that I just had to type it xD

Btw, why is your name Tigre now? Odd, since the English spelling is tiger, tigre is a Portuguese word.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:36PM Ashitaka said

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I know it's NOT funny --'
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 5:26PM BPMOmega XBL PSN Steam said

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Tigre also means tiger in Italian, Spanish, French, etc....
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:33PM Ashitaka said

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Why does joystiq censor the word "strug gling"? ffs... Today it also censored "bug ging"... Is "ug g" a curse word?

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:35PM MasterYogurt said

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The REAL problem with all of this is that the hardcore buys, because the hardcore know and the hardcore reads.

The only difference between, say Bayonetta and Dante's Inferno for most people is clever and effective marketing. Show some damn commercials, get the average guy who plays games to know about it, and it sells. I GUARANTEE if Bayonetta had a Super Bowl commercial it could be selling right now, too - but if you just let the hardcore know, you'll get few sales.

Honestly, all this proves to me is that low Wii sales have less to do with the console's demographic and more to do with the common decision to not advertise, because the same thing is happening on other consoles.

That anyone can release a product and not tell people is just silly. You make people want it, then you tell them they want it, then you provide it. Game publishers tend to be good at the providing and making, but not so much at the telling - and that can be all the difference.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:49PM (Unverified) said

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NMH2 actually sold 22,904 units in Jan. according to the NPD report. It's not horrible considering it's only 5 days they're recording data for.

In comparison Tatsunoko Vs Capcom sold 47,465 units during the same period.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 12:50PM Rocketboy said

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Gee, maybe they should have waited until summer to release it.

I plan on buying it, but let's see, I still have one more Dragon Age play-though to do, I'm replaying Mass Effect 2 for the second time, I want to start a new ME character from scratch so that'll be ME1 and ME2 that's on my list, the full retail expansion to Dragon Age will be out soon, and Final Fantasy is going to be here before you realize.

And that's just me. And that's not even all that's on my list. Right now is not a good time to bring out a game that isn't a AAA title. The only games that have a chance right now would be a first party Nintendo title, and that's because they will always sell.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 1:22PM (Unverified) said

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@Antimecha

Again another comment based on fact, yet rated low. I hate the readers of this website i swear...

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 1:33PM Gaddes said

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It's a good thing these guys aren't under EA or Activision... they'd probably be cleaning out their desks about now...

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 1:53PM RadiXe said

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the saddest part is not that core games are doing poorly on wii, it is that developers keep trying do make core games successful on wii. i guess the dangling carrot in front of them is too great a temptation to overcome, not realizing that they'll never get it.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 2:39PM CJLopez said

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Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan

NO ONE HAS REALISED (except a couple of people) THIS ONLY COUNT FOR 5 DAYS OF SALES!!!!

For real people, we know you hate the Wii, but the ammount of bashing it received withouth you realising this (i'me pretty sure no one did) its just a mayor facepalm...... no, facepalm is not enough.... FACEPAW!!!!!

http://verydemotivational.com/2010/02/01/demotivational-posters-facepaw/

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:01PM Johnnynumber5 is powered by cell said

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Mass Effect 2 came out the same day, also only 5 days of sales. You were saying?
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:16PM CaramelZappa said

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When you think about it, for an extremely niche title on a console not aimed at the "hardcore" with absolutely no marketing support or hype, 30k in 5 days is pretty damn impressive.

@Tigre

So now we're gonna compare everything to mass effect? Yes, it came out the same day, but of course a 360/PC Space RPG with tons of marketing and hype and a huge fanbase is going to sell better than a niche game on the wii (One where a lot of people didn't even like the original) They're in different leagues and don't deserve to be compared just because they launched on the same day.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:25PM HandheldAddictblogspotcom said

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30,000 units sold in its first week @ $60.00 MSRP

So it's "only" made $1.8 million in its first week ..... oh noes.

And of course now that the initial sales are in, they've COMPLETELY STOPPED SELLING IT. IT WILL NOT MAKE ONE PENNY MORE. That was sarcasm BTW. Like it's not going to continue to make more money. Come on.


Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:31PM CaramelZappa said

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It's a wii game, $50 MSRP
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 5:43PM Kinjiro said

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The developer doesn't keep 100% of the sales. Nintendo takes a big chuck , so does retailers and many more smaller bites goes to all the middle men who brought it to store selves.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 6:32PM xxxsam said

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What do developers actually get from a $50 sale, maybe $15? I expect, eventually, worldwide, this'll break even. Doesn't look like a smash hit though (and yes you can judge that much on the first five days).

Count me in as a Wii owner who didn't get it. No I wasn't playing some other game or whatever, it just didn't seem like my style of game. (Oh, and no I didn't really know it had been released, but I wasn't watching for it, so no surprise there.)

I have to say I don't entirely understand what developers are doing with 'hardcore' games for Wii; leaving aside Nintendo releases, and the kid games/shovelware, most of the high-profile Wii releases seem to be 'super violent over the top ridiculous macho killathon with toilet humour' (NMH 1, 2; Madworld; House of the Dead)...

You think of a 'normal', quality game which is maybe T rated, or at least M but not absolutely ridiculously violent... how many of those are there on Wii? I guess Conduit, but it was pretty so-so. Surely, but surely, developers would do better on Wii if they made games which can appeal to 'hardcore' fans (and the kind of drooling idiots who won't buy games if the title sounds a little bit girly), while still actually playable by 12-year-olds too. Kind of like Nintendo does with (console) Zelda games.

I mean, I have a Wii because I love Nintendo games. I'd *also* be happy to play games that are a little bit less 'suitable for everyone' than the average Nintendo game... but is it surprising that, as a Wii owner, my primary interest is *not* gorefests? If I liked that type of game wouldn't I have bought one of the other consoles (and probably be shouting racial insults at other players right now on my not-available-on-Wii headset, and for that matter the not-available-on-Wii full online service)?

Anecdotal evidence (I'm like this so everyone must be) is always bullshit and that's what I was just spouting... but it does seem at least a little bit likely that less-ultraviolent games would be a good bet.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 12:19AM samfish said

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Spot on, Sam.
I've personally been of the opinion for a while now that it's pretty much too late for third parties on the Wii. They failed to build an audience with their own material... so shooters and 'mature' action games probably are never going to hit big.

The one 'hardcore' audience that HAS been built up is the audience that buys Nintendo's first party games, like Mario, Zelda and Metroid. It's probably too late no matter what, considering how late in the console cycle it is... but I think if third parties are to have ANY chance of success at this point, they need to start making games that appeal to the people who bought Mario Galaxy and Zelda.
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Posted: Feb 13th 2010 5:41PM KaBob799 said

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I think the biggest issue is that people don't trust the Wii many, theres been so many crappy shovelware games that a lot of gamers don't take non-Nintendo games seriously. Same thing for developers, they dont see enough examples of 3rd party games doing good (cause they havent made enough good ones) so they don't put much effort into their Wii games and its become an endless cycle.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 3:53PM johnnytaco said

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i definitely plan on buying it, but im still working through #1.. i just dont have the time to play vids anymore... also i didnt even know it had come out until a few days ago... where were you on that joystiq?!

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 5:41PM Kinjiro said

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I would have contributed if it was on PS3 seeing as I don't own a Wii.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 7:18PM (Unverified) said

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Give it some time. The first eventually sold 300,000 copies. Hopefully tihs will, too.

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 7:50PM (Unverified) said

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(;_;)

Posted: Feb 12th 2010 9:26PM letherclad said

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this game isn't a 'core' game, its another crappy wii jumble of bs minigames, they just threw in some curse words and an infantile use of gore to try to make it seem 'core', which is a shame because I think suda 51 has potential (based on how awesome Killer 7 was), he just needs to get out of this rut and try to make a real game

Posted: Feb 14th 2010 2:32AM blahblah55 said

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The only way you could think that is if you never played the game and are just saying such from a 3rd person audience, or if you were pretty bad at the jobs that you were stuck doing "the minigames" longer than most of us have.

... and the gore is merely for a ridiculous effect, none of us really take it that seriously (well, some of us do, but whatever). Gore in NMH2 is not the same gore in Gears of War, two different things. One's more for humorous effect, guess which one that is.
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Posted: Feb 15th 2010 1:29PM Player1 said

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That sounds like the way someone who's really bad at the game would describe it. Even if you hated the gameplay (of which minigames were a small portion), the style is undeniable.
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Posted: Feb 12th 2010 11:44PM johnlucas said

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People miss the point so much.

The reason both No More Heroes & No More Heroes 2 sell like this is because the games are freakin' WEIRD!
They're WEIRD games that no amount of advertising can entice the uninformed to pay attention.

That's why *I* like this series, personally. Its weirdness is refreshing because they try to do something different. And that's why I bought them (was late to NMH1 buying it from bargain bin but bought NMH2 full price at launch).

Suda51 makes some weird games & didn't they say that No More Heroes was the best-selling game Suda51 ever had? None of his games ever sold well. They're not commercial. Killer7 was even stranger & got ignored as much on the PS2 as it did on the Gamecube on which it was intended.

Suda51's games don't sell in hometown Japan, don't sell in Europe/Other World regions, don't sell in the U.S.A. They are examples of intriguing game design that will be more like an art piece in a museum than a commercial blockbuster. Doesn't make them any less quality (they are definitely quality!) but Suda51's visions are so hard to promote that it's not surprise we see sales like this.

Nintendo promoted this game on their Nintendo Channel from the Wii Menu screen (the game scrolled on the little attract screen for weeks). Unless we know the budget for this title & their shipping strategy, we can't just look at these sales & call them a success or a failure based on 1 or 2 weeks of numbers.

And if Suda51 thinks this game series would sell better on the 360 or PS3 he'd be wrong because the Wiimote's functionality adds something irreplaceable to the game that oldstyle controllers simply can't emulate. Wait until April when the PS3/360 No More Heroes versions sell similar to what they sell on Wii.

No More Heroes on Wii works BECAUSE of the console's overall family friendly image. It's vulgar & violent on a console trying to appeal to a broader demographic. The irony makes it cooler. Not the same effect on the 360 or PS3.

John Lucas

Posted: Feb 13th 2010 2:35AM Ovy said

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I wasn't even aware this game was on the verge of coming out till reviews came. Where the hell is the marketing for these games? Why do they expect them to sell well when they aren't telling the rest of the world that they're available?

Posted: Feb 15th 2010 8:27AM (Unverified) said

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I Don't think is doing that bad compared to all the halo, call of duty and other games that get over hyped NMH is doing good by it self . But also there are a lot of parasites that i hate I for once work at a gamestop and all the time i hear people asking for games and then not buying them, because they are downloading it illegally . By Christmas i saw a lot of people with the conduit and madworld in their hands and then i hear one guy saying i will download it instead let me get Mario first. It is true people Some gamers are games worst enemies.

Posted: Feb 15th 2010 1:39PM MegaDeth said

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30K copies? I LOVE this game! I loved the 1st one and actually like the setup better on this one. This is sad. I do also own all of the titles that are considered "hardcore" for the Wii. I love them all. It truly is sad to see this occurring. What happened to the core Nintendo audience that used to buy great 3rd party games? Alas, I guess they started dying off with the Gamecube. Take Beyond Good & Evil or even Eternal Darkness. I think ED did okay, but BG&E was a fantastic title that I couldn't put down. Same as NMH2.

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