We've been on pins and needles since last May, when we first heard about former NCAA football player Samuel Keller's lawsuit against EA, which claimed that his likeness and the likenesses of his former athletic colleagues had been used in the company's games without permission. According to court documents obtained by Patent Arcade, there was a development in the case last week: The U.S. District for the Northern District of California denied EA's motion to dismiss Keller's claims outright.
According to the aforementioned court documents, EA's defense claimed the NCAA series' in-game players were subject to "significant transformative elements," which allowed the title to be protected by the First Amendment. The court saw differently, however, ruling that "EA's game goes beyond mere reporting of 'just the players' names and statistics; it offers a depiction of the student athletes' physical characteristics and, as noted, enables consumers to control the virtual players on a simulated football field."
In short, Keller's complaints have garnered some traction in the California court. We'll likely be hearing more on this case -- we just hope we don't have to wait eight and a half months before the next update comes.
Reader Comments (18)
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 2:40PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said
Hurts being a free agent doesn't it? Start filing lawsuits to make a buck. I've been to where he bartends. He's kind of rude.
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Posted: Feb 14th 2010 4:08PM (Unverified) said
I agree with your statement. I do believe he's attacking EA because his dreams of the NFL went sour and realized he had 1 shot at making money before earning. If you think about it, none of these NFL rookies deserve their salaries and that's while they're going to have a rookie cap. When Suh goes in the 1st round, you can expect him to have 40 million guaranteed before he does ANYTHING. His overall contract might be $72 million and $40 million (upfront) without playing a down.
Even if you go in the 3rd round and get $600 guaranteed, it's better then 0. I do feel that's why Keller is attacking EA because for his quick buck.
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Even if you go in the 3rd round and get $600 guaranteed, it's better then 0. I do feel that's why Keller is attacking EA because for his quick buck.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 4:12PM Evil Alaska said
I have friends who went to school with Keller, and I grew up in the same town. He is a complete ass. Nebraska fans hate him.
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Posted: Feb 14th 2010 2:47PM (Unverified) said
GET OVER IT!!!!! They never used your FACE or Name. Why is it bothering your that they used your number (which is school property & NCAA Property). Why is it bothering you that they used your height & weight, it's technically not you because you were listed QB # 5.
You bombed in the NFL and now you're in the wrong trying to sue EA. Also, it's not EA fault for people taking their time making players names and releasing them online in the locker-room. I would worry about getting a career then suing a company in the right.
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You bombed in the NFL and now you're in the wrong trying to sue EA. Also, it's not EA fault for people taking their time making players names and releasing them online in the locker-room. I would worry about getting a career then suing a company in the right.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:30PM sonicspike41 said
"EA's game goes beyond mere reporting of 'just the players' names and statistics; it offers a depiction of the student athletes' physical characteristics"
It sounds to me like they did use their name and their likeness in game.
Besides, we don't know if they applied to the NFL, if so why they were rejected or declined, or any of the other details about their career choices in life. As the person below you stated, "These old school players weren't thinking that they would be in video games when they played."
It's like someone making a Michael Jackson game. You're saying that MJ's lawyers should sue and these people shouldn't just based off of how popular they are and how much/where they played?
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It sounds to me like they did use their name and their likeness in game.
Besides, we don't know if they applied to the NFL, if so why they were rejected or declined, or any of the other details about their career choices in life. As the person below you stated, "These old school players weren't thinking that they would be in video games when they played."
It's like someone making a Michael Jackson game. You're saying that MJ's lawyers should sue and these people shouldn't just based off of how popular they are and how much/where they played?
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:58PM (Unverified) said
@ sonicspike41 - you're kidding me right? They used the guys height, weight and that's about it. They don't use STATS, if you ever go backwards their stats aren't there. Even if they use stats (say Drew Brees), they say, #9 from Purdue. I see nothing wrong with this and if Keller had this much of an issue about EA taking his number, weight, height and skin color. He should have never played NCAA FOOTBALL, because that belongs to the school and the NCAA.
Then Keller went on to COMPLAIN about how you can use the EA Locker to download rosters which is false. Someone has to literally waster their LIFE for 2-3 days and go to every single player in the game and post that roster on the EA Locker. How is that EA's fault? Keller was a garbage QB and couldn't strike gold in the NFL. He's trying to sue a company for not getting royalties because of his characteristics?
If you played Madden 10 vs NCAA 10, most of the players (5 black skins & White Skins) for faces usually look the same for the NCAA game. They don't go that in-depth with the faces, because Tim Tebow doesn't truly exist in the game. They just make a white man, around his height & weight, while making him look pretty with wrist bands, eye paint and etc. When you go onto Madden 10, Eli Manning looks l ike Eli Manning. When you see Jay Cutler, he looks like JAY CUTLER (even with the mole on his face). When you see Cutler throw, it has Cutlers throwing motion to the tee along with 32 other QB's throwing motions designed for their authenticity. These players are not allowed to make any money while playing college football and I'm sure if they were EA sports would pay for the names and etc to give you more of an authentic feeling to the game.
Look at the Pats Head Coach, he's called " NE Head Coach ". While Jack Del Rio looks like JACK DEL RIo. The character of bill belichick looks nothing like him. He's a wait dude with black hair. It's the same way for the college games, they just take a white guy, slap on a #15 to give you an illusion of Tim Tebow for the Gators. It's the people from pastapadre that take it to the extra mile and give the players names, true idenity and etc. IMO, SAM KELLER was a nobody really in college and is fighting for money that didn't earn.
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Then Keller went on to COMPLAIN about how you can use the EA Locker to download rosters which is false. Someone has to literally waster their LIFE for 2-3 days and go to every single player in the game and post that roster on the EA Locker. How is that EA's fault? Keller was a garbage QB and couldn't strike gold in the NFL. He's trying to sue a company for not getting royalties because of his characteristics?
If you played Madden 10 vs NCAA 10, most of the players (5 black skins & White Skins) for faces usually look the same for the NCAA game. They don't go that in-depth with the faces, because Tim Tebow doesn't truly exist in the game. They just make a white man, around his height & weight, while making him look pretty with wrist bands, eye paint and etc. When you go onto Madden 10, Eli Manning looks l ike Eli Manning. When you see Jay Cutler, he looks like JAY CUTLER (even with the mole on his face). When you see Cutler throw, it has Cutlers throwing motion to the tee along with 32 other QB's throwing motions designed for their authenticity. These players are not allowed to make any money while playing college football and I'm sure if they were EA sports would pay for the names and etc to give you more of an authentic feeling to the game.
Look at the Pats Head Coach, he's called " NE Head Coach ". While Jack Del Rio looks like JACK DEL RIo. The character of bill belichick looks nothing like him. He's a wait dude with black hair. It's the same way for the college games, they just take a white guy, slap on a #15 to give you an illusion of Tim Tebow for the Gators. It's the people from pastapadre that take it to the extra mile and give the players names, true idenity and etc. IMO, SAM KELLER was a nobody really in college and is fighting for money that didn't earn.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 4:47PM Cap Morgan said
@SonicSpike
I gotta back up volumeone0686.
To take it one step further, the NCAA had to sign off on every aspect of the game. They're just as bad as the NFL in protecting their IP.
They gave EA the green light as they felt it was sufficient enough to protect it's atheletes rights etc, which this dude was apart of.
If he feels that any of this was in breach of any contract by becoming part of the NCAA he sues them not EA
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I gotta back up volumeone0686.
To take it one step further, the NCAA had to sign off on every aspect of the game. They're just as bad as the NFL in protecting their IP.
They gave EA the green light as they felt it was sufficient enough to protect it's atheletes rights etc, which this dude was apart of.
If he feels that any of this was in breach of any contract by becoming part of the NCAA he sues them not EA
Posted: Feb 15th 2010 1:39AM sonicspike41 said
Oh I'm not saying he shouldn't be suing or anything, and I agree that if anything it's probably the NCAA's fault for misleading EA. Just based on what the article said it seemed like the game did use his actual name, which was I suppose more of my point.
Also, I just thought the crack about how his success or failure within the sports industry should determine whether or not he sues to be a little uncalled for.
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Also, I just thought the crack about how his success or failure within the sports industry should determine whether or not he sues to be a little uncalled for.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:13PM (Unverified) said
From the little bit I have read on this case I have to side with Keller. Think about how much EA makes on these games. They could at least ask the people if its cool to use their likeness. These old school players weren't thinking that they would be in video games when they played.
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Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:44PM criminolelawyer said
your missing the snag. According to guidelines they aren't allowed to be paid while IN college. Using their likeness after they are out of college is another issue altogether.
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Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:51PM SDHusker said
Makes you proud to be a Husker fan...
Oh wayt....
FWIW Griffin he is known and called widely by just "Sam" ... kinda weird seeing the whole "Samuel" thing thrown out there.
I do agree that the likeness they take of the players is TOO far but I'm not so sure that suing is the way to go about it.
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Oh wayt....
FWIW Griffin he is known and called widely by just "Sam" ... kinda weird seeing the whole "Samuel" thing thrown out there.
I do agree that the likeness they take of the players is TOO far but I'm not so sure that suing is the way to go about it.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 3:59PM (Unverified) said
lol, meant to say " He's a white dude ", not a wait dude.
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Posted: Feb 14th 2010 4:57PM Cap Morgan said
So, anyone here believe that a 20 something washup of a quarterback has never played a NCAA football game ever?
Was he expecting something else to happen?
Seriously?
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Was he expecting something else to happen?
Seriously?
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 5:50PM (Unverified) said
NCAA players get screwed. EA makes a fortune off their likeness. TV Networks make a fortune off broadcast advertising dollars. Their schools make a fortune off ticket sales and bowl games. And what do they get? Free booze and all the college coeds they can handle?
Uh... nevermind.
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Uh... nevermind.
Posted: Feb 14th 2010 7:27PM (Unverified) said
How many people have been NCAA athletes here? I have, and you actually give away your rights to the NCAA to use you in any promotional publication/media for the benefit of the NCAA. So, in reality, we already signed our rights away for this.
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Posted: Feb 17th 2010 7:58AM (Unverified) said
Looks like there will be no more NCAA games. Thanks Sam.
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