Moreover, Heir says it's not just a question of equality, but rather a question of missed market opportunity. "It's not about being fair. It's about bringing something new to the art." The Wolverine/Singularity dev also makes a point of sending out a rally call to the rest of the industry, saying, "I'm sure many people in the game industry are starting work on new IP. If we can ask people to think about it, then they are more apt to say 'hey let's try this.' You just need one game to succeed. The first developer or publisher to do this will enjoy a lot of success." For a much more thorough discussion on the subject, we've embedded a video after the break of a panel from DICE 2010, titled "Games of Color," in which Manveer speaks in far more detail on the subject.
Raven's Manveer Heir urges industry to address ethnic misrepresentation
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If there's one thing that Commander Shepard, Nathan Drake, Agent 47, Marcus Fenix, and ... uhh ... Mega Man all have in common, it's not just that they're all video game characters -- they're also all white dudes. And Raven Software's Manveer Heir takes umbrage with that fact (and, more importantly, the fact that being caucasian is a rather pervasive theme across game characters), telling Develop in a recent interview that "There are a large number of hispanic and black children playing games, percentage-wise more so than white children, but these guys aren't getting into the industry because they are not seeing themselves in the games."
Moreover, Heir says it's not just a question of equality, but rather a question of missed market opportunity. "It's not about being fair. It's about bringing something new to the art." The Wolverine/Singularity dev also makes a point of sending out a rally call to the rest of the industry, saying, "I'm sure many people in the game industry are starting work on new IP. If we can ask people to think about it, then they are more apt to say 'hey let's try this.' You just need one game to succeed. The first developer or publisher to do this will enjoy a lot of success." For a much more thorough discussion on the subject, we've embedded a video after the break of a panel from DICE 2010, titled "Games of Color," in which Manveer speaks in far more detail on the subject.
Moreover, Heir says it's not just a question of equality, but rather a question of missed market opportunity. "It's not about being fair. It's about bringing something new to the art." The Wolverine/Singularity dev also makes a point of sending out a rally call to the rest of the industry, saying, "I'm sure many people in the game industry are starting work on new IP. If we can ask people to think about it, then they are more apt to say 'hey let's try this.' You just need one game to succeed. The first developer or publisher to do this will enjoy a lot of success." For a much more thorough discussion on the subject, we've embedded a video after the break of a panel from DICE 2010, titled "Games of Color," in which Manveer speaks in far more detail on the subject.
Reader Comments (219)
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:36AM Cerpin Taxt said
Commander Shepard can be a black girl if you want her to be.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 12:49PM Maxx the Slasher said
@ PN04
Technically, if you play Mega Man 8, you'll see that Dr. Light's lab (where Mega Man lives) is located in the US.
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Technically, if you play Mega Man 8, you'll see that Dr. Light's lab (where Mega Man lives) is located in the US.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 12:56PM LaughingTarget said
Japanese developers are strangely racist against Japanese. It's fairly common in their media to make characters out to be whites, so they make a horrible example.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 1:04PM PN04 said
I havent played all of the games so pointing out a single possible instance means very little to me. Especially when they can't even decide on a year (20XX is not a number) The game takes place in an indeterminate time in a indeterminate city in an indeterminate country in almost every situation. Add to that localization which also muddles things (Dr. Light is Dr. Hikaru in Japan) and the argument you make is moot.
Persona for the PSone was butchered in the localization process to make it take place in America. In Japan the characters would have all been Asian, The PSP version was re-localized all their original names were retained and the one black character they had was removed because they feared he'd be stereotypical or offensive.
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Persona for the PSone was butchered in the localization process to make it take place in America. In Japan the characters would have all been Asian, The PSP version was re-localized all their original names were retained and the one black character they had was removed because they feared he'd be stereotypical or offensive.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 2:38PM Tiptup300 said
Okay, heres some simple thinking.
The vast majority of the world are white people. So theres a higher chance of seeing white people in general then other races.
The vast majority of game developers are white people since it would about the same ratio as the general world.
People tend to like themselves, so when creating characters they tend to put their own likeness into the characters. So there would be a higher amount of white characters.
I don't see any problem with this personally except when they add a black guy just to be "the black guy."
In the words of the stereotype guy from Silent Hill: Homecoming; "Shiieeeeeeet"
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The vast majority of the world are white people. So theres a higher chance of seeing white people in general then other races.
The vast majority of game developers are white people since it would about the same ratio as the general world.
People tend to like themselves, so when creating characters they tend to put their own likeness into the characters. So there would be a higher amount of white characters.
I don't see any problem with this personally except when they add a black guy just to be "the black guy."
In the words of the stereotype guy from Silent Hill: Homecoming; "Shiieeeeeeet"
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 2:54PM ThornedVenom said
@Tiptup300
"The vast majority of the world are white people."
Actually, the majority in numbers is Asian.
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"The vast majority of the world are white people."
Actually, the majority in numbers is Asian.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:03PM Ridgecity said
"but these guys aren't getting into the industry because they are not seeing themselves in the games."
That's seriously stupid. They are not getting work because they don't get hired. If there's racism in the industry, it isn't in the games, believe me.
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That's seriously stupid. They are not getting work because they don't get hired. If there's racism in the industry, it isn't in the games, believe me.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:01PM alexmlowgmailcom said
Commander Shepard can be whatever you want, like a cheap hooker.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 8:06PM EngadgetSoFunny said
Wait, if they are not getting in the industry because they are not seeing themselves in the games, shouldn't we be seeing Gangsta rapster developers coming out soon and rap-orientated developers coming out since we have quality titles like 50 cent: Blood in the sand and 50 cent: The crystal skull or whatever it was called? Not to mention, ...something the Rappa...that somewhat-musical game where you try to drop beats yo by matching the symbols on our playstation controller like a DDR game?
Doesn't Gears of War 1 and 2 both have somewhat-near main characters who are black. The guy 'Mac' or whatever who played in the major leagues before the invasion? Fenix looks a bit possibly hispanic or mixed race.
I think this guy needs to make a call out to developers to include more trans-gender, bisexual, mixed race, shoe and horse fetish little people. I haven't seen one of those in games since forever as a main character! How else will ever get a all transgender, bisexual, mixed race, shoe and horse fetish little people developer studio? HOW?
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Doesn't Gears of War 1 and 2 both have somewhat-near main characters who are black. The guy 'Mac' or whatever who played in the major leagues before the invasion? Fenix looks a bit possibly hispanic or mixed race.
I think this guy needs to make a call out to developers to include more trans-gender, bisexual, mixed race, shoe and horse fetish little people. I haven't seen one of those in games since forever as a main character! How else will ever get a all transgender, bisexual, mixed race, shoe and horse fetish little people developer studio? HOW?
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 9:34PM Morisato13 said
I thought megaman was Japanese. Unless you consider everyone who is not black, white...
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 3:11PM SpartacusMagnus said
This guy should take a look at another entertainment industry, say, oh, film for example.
Every single top grossing film has had Caucasian lead actors- apparently that didn't hinder their success, so why would it hinder that of video games? I mean of the top three: Avatar, Titanic and Lord of the Rings, there isn't even a single non-white face in the credits, yet they sold tickets like gangbusters overseas.
Gameplay is what gamers care about, not color.
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Every single top grossing film has had Caucasian lead actors- apparently that didn't hinder their success, so why would it hinder that of video games? I mean of the top three: Avatar, Titanic and Lord of the Rings, there isn't even a single non-white face in the credits, yet they sold tickets like gangbusters overseas.
Gameplay is what gamers care about, not color.
Posted: Mar 8th 2010 12:06PM Feist77 said
It is really because of what some people call "reverse racism". If the main character is white, you can make him what ever you want; Gangster, drunk, drug dealer, pot-head, psycho............. But if the character is a minority and is portrayed in a negative way, then the Jackson's (Jessie) of the word unite and scream foul. I remember the heat that GTA san andreas got, they should hve been rewarded for putting a minority in the lead role, but, before Hot Coffee, they got major heat for a black man having to be a murderer/drug dealer/ you no GTA guy.
I don't know how to fix the problem, but just having more minority leads won't do it.
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I don't know how to fix the problem, but just having more minority leads won't do it.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:22PM IronArcher said
yeah no kidding. I play Baird too, because he's a smartass like me, and not because I'm white. I know an african american guy on a message board that switches between different images of rappers and his signature has an ethnic slant to it where it just seems like he's screaming "Hey I'm african american" as if we need a constant reminder or that we care either way.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 6:22PM eat it said
you know I kind of thought that way until I played Heavy Rain...
That game certainly looks like Philly and there are maps of Philly but none of the characters are black and there are very few black people in the game. I'm not black but I live in Philly and I'd say half of the people here are black, maybe more. hell... our Mayor, D.A, and police chief are all black.
my point is, for some games it would certainly help with the realism to add a more diverse group of people especially if that game takes place in a major city.
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That game certainly looks like Philly and there are maps of Philly but none of the characters are black and there are very few black people in the game. I'm not black but I live in Philly and I'd say half of the people here are black, maybe more. hell... our Mayor, D.A, and police chief are all black.
my point is, for some games it would certainly help with the realism to add a more diverse group of people especially if that game takes place in a major city.
Posted: Mar 7th 2010 6:05AM (Unverified) said
How about this? If you want a game that has a lead character, go make one. Otherwise, quit complaining.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 8:31PM YpoCaramel said
The thing about Heavy Rain is that it was developed in Europe. It's not that Europe doesn't have black people, it's more that blacks in Europe are culturally different. If you thought the 'US accents' were bad, think about Quantic's options for black characters...
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:37AM Fraul Pench said
C.J. from San Andreas wasn't a white dude and that game did well.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:52AM Fraul Pench said
Less hate more feeding the mogwai after midnight and spraying them with hoses!
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 7:26PM (Unverified) said
Well most blacks are depicted as either:
rappers
big ass tanks that can't talk like Cole
gangsters
or football players
or Luke Cage!
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rappers
big ass tanks that can't talk like Cole
gangsters
or football players
or Luke Cage!
Posted: Mar 7th 2010 3:07PM The Monarch said
CJ was a racist character? Really?
He was straight out of a Spike Lee movie. A pretty realistic depiction of a Southern Californian black gang member in the early-mid nineties.
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He was straight out of a Spike Lee movie. A pretty realistic depiction of a Southern Californian black gang member in the early-mid nineties.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:37AM armageddon said
I'd rather see more alien protagonists rather then more flavors of humans. More importantly I want more great gameplay, who cares if the lead character is white/black/hispanic/native american/asian/etc.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:38AM falcomadol said
Indeed, Shepard was definitely black.
Was Fenix white, or was he White (and checking the "Hispanic Origin" bonus box)
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Was Fenix white, or was he White (and checking the "Hispanic Origin" bonus box)
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 1:05PM (Unverified) said
Shepard is like Jesus... he could be white or black... but either way, he's still a hero we should admire...
Especially when he punches reporters in the face.
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Especially when he punches reporters in the face.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 11:39AM (Unverified) said
We've been having black game characters for a long time, whether you look at Barrett in FFVII in the 90's or names such as Louis from L4D in the previous decade. Black characters have showed up for a long time. Not even to mention that in many games these days you can customize the way your character looks, including skin color.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 1:30PM ShadowOp said
They are usually black stereotypes. Barret, the loudmouth pissed off swear first ask questions later stereotype. And Louis? Ok well Louis is actually a good representation of a non-stereotype, he was a Junior Systems Analyst. Being a black man myself, I found that to be an encouraging step. But Louis came from Valve, and they're known to be an awesome company when it comes to this kind of thing, and Valve isn't the norm (I think many would agree with that statement). In the end, it's a discussion of what image do you want the black kids out there feeling when they play games and they see heros out there and also a question of what image do you want to send white kids who have never or will probably never meet or befriend a black guy. In this day and age, I think that image needs to be positive.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 2:02PM (Unverified) said
@ShadowOp: Gaming is filled with stereotypes however, applied to all sort of ethnicities and independent of color. Game characters are just about as much a representation of real life as Hollywood characters are when it comes to that.
Question is of course, do we want to get rid of that, or accept it? Sure barrett is an example of a pissed off, swear first, ask questions later stereotype; however in that aspect he still bleaches away in comparison with Duke Nukem, the buffed up, chauvinistic, egocentric womanizer.
Will black kids think acting like Duke is how white people act? Or will white people consider Duke as the way they should act? I highly doubt it, so I fail to see how the other way around it would be an issue.
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Question is of course, do we want to get rid of that, or accept it? Sure barrett is an example of a pissed off, swear first, ask questions later stereotype; however in that aspect he still bleaches away in comparison with Duke Nukem, the buffed up, chauvinistic, egocentric womanizer.
Will black kids think acting like Duke is how white people act? Or will white people consider Duke as the way they should act? I highly doubt it, so I fail to see how the other way around it would be an issue.
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 1:00PM Assmar said
Well I never said that people don't or won't buy games if the protagonist isn't their own race/gender/ethnicity. But you admit that it's nice when you can relate to a character who is like you. All I'm saying is it'd be nice to know that feeling, when playing anything other than FIFA :P
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 1:33PM ShadowOp said
I here you... Personally, I don't identify with Barret, mostly because of the gun arm *which I have yet to achieve* but also mostly because of the fro hawk, which I would never want to rock.
side question, would it be easier or harder to pick up chicks with a gun arm?
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side question, would it be easier or harder to pick up chicks with a gun arm?
Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:35PM The angry pro consumer gaming ga said
Exactly, I've been playing video games for over 20years and there still isn't enough representation of Hispanics (not just Mexicans). We will soon be (under 20yrs) 1/4 of the U.S population and have only one (Rodriquez:just cause 2) to represent us.
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