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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:37PM Maxx the Slasher said

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@ Awookie

Of course I am basing hate for Walter Day on the movie. That's the only place I've seen him from, and they only showed the bad. What good has he done for the "arcade scene"? Set up a database for world record high scores and...

... what else? What else has he done for gaming? What a useless job it is to be a referee for high score runs in games. Stand there watching people play games and telling them they won or lost. Stuff people can do themselves. Some referee. A false sense of entitlement, if you ask me.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 2:44PM (Unverified) said

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he kind of looks like varg from burzum
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 2:57PM Dr Acula said

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The Gaming Community loses another.
;_:
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:46PM Danzig Logo said

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And Billy Mitchell loses a bag carrier.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:03PM Look At This Suit said

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The first thing I noticed in that picture was the Bloo figurine.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:26PM warius87 said

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First thing I noticed was the hashish to the right.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:05PM Misfit Toy said

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All I can ever see him as is the friend of the 'evil' man from "The King of Kong".
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:29PM dhaust said

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Yep
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:54PM Awookie said

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...Sigh, I'm not even going to waste my time arguing with you

Try having a rational conversation next time instead of using hate based off a movie.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:50PM killdash9 said

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The classic arcade high score scene was alive and well long before King of Kong painted Billy Mitchell in a bad light. Both Walter Day and Mitchell were important parts of standardizing and recording noteworthy accomplishments of gaming skill. I'd like to point out that while Mitchell is regularly subjected to disparaging words here in Joystiq comments, he put his own money up as rewards, and not insignificant amounts, several years ago in cooperation with Twin Galaxies for anyone who could set new world records in certain classic arcade games (and one of those was even "beat George Costanza's high score in Frogger," which was finally done recently--way too late for the prize money). Not only that, but he loaned his own Q*Bert machine to Doris Self to help her in her efforts to regain her former crown as "world's oldest video game world record holder." He's more than just "the evil jerk in King of Kong," and it really ticks me off that so many video game fans only think of him as that.

As for Walter Day, I wish him the best in his future plans. His contribution to the video game world will be remembered, maybe not in the same manner as Ralph Baer's, but certainly in the record books.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 9:46PM MarkezJM said

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Is Awookie trying to claim that Billy Mitchell isn't a tremendously big douchebag? Really?
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:23PM BananaBoat said

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I'm actually going to do the opposite of pour one out, just because I disliked him in that movie so much.

He's probably a nice guy, but man did they paint him as the villain.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 10:41PM TheDarkWayne said

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so are you going to drink something or open it, and then reseal it?
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 9:48AM BananaBoat said

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I drank half a can of orange fanta, and then I selfishly put the other half back in the fridge.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:27PM (Unverified) said

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BAM! White out!
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:31PM Awookie said

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Wow your basing your entire (hateful) view of him on a sensationalized movie, grow up hes done amazing things for the arcade scene for 30 years.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 9:07PM Burner said

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What amazing things has hr done for the "arcade scene?" There is no arcade scene anymore.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 9:08PM Burner said

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"he" not "hr"
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:37PM GuardianLegend said

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I wish video game competition was more popular and widespread. In my San Francisco area, there's nowhere to go to compete with other gamers on a regular basis. I hear there's a fighting game tournament down in San Jose, but that's about it.

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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 3:44PM Shadowbender said

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Gaming Hall of Fame? Heck yes.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:14PM DonaldMick said

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"Potential career kill screen coming up if anyone's interested..."
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:14PM (Unverified) said

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Yeah I'm not sure why people are referring to the "evil" guy in King of Kong...he was always good, and I assume they're confusing him for someone else. Even if you thought he was a bad guy (for some reason) by the end of the movie you see he does the right thing.

On that note, Walter Day was awesome in Kong of Kong, and we could all tell his character and personality. Both my grandfathers are great, but if I were to have a third I'd choose him.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 4:49PM BananaBoat said

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The way the movie is shot, it looks a hell of a lot like Walter was completely biased against Steve Wiebe, and like he was firmly in the Billy Mitchell fan club. If I'm remembering correctly, Steve Wiebe sent in a tape of him beating the record, and then Walter wouldn't accept it, instead saying that any broken records would need to be in front of a live audience, on a machine owned and operated by him (and thus checked for legitimacy) while he was looking on and making sure that no cheating was occurring. Later in the movie, Billy sent in a tape of himself beating Steve's high score, and it was accepted by Walter with no questions asked.

You can do a lot to make someone look like a douche in post, and it really all could have just been the filmmakers manipulating the course of events, but the movie certainly didn't make Walter Day look very good.

(If I've borked the timeline of events in the movie, it's because I haven't seen it since it premiered)
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:16PM killdash9 said

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This may be useful reading: http://forums.twingalaxies.com/viewforum.php?f=86 "The King of Kong - Official Statement [from Twin Galaxies]"
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:47PM BananaBoat said

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Issue #5 on that site leaves me with a weird impression of Walter. He's in touch with two dudes that say they want to go up to Steve's house and check the validity of his Donkey Kong machine. Instead of telling them...you know...that they shouldn't do it because it's extremely odd, he gives them instructions on what to look for when testing the machine. A

Maybe it's because BF:BC2 has been giving me connection issues all day, or maybe it's because I'm bored, but it is hard to read through those forum posts without coming away suspicious. There are e-mails copied and pasted from one party to the next in some of them, but never any confirmation by any party but Walter that they are legitimate e-mails. There also seems to be an explanation for everything, even things so minor that there isn't really any reason to explain them at all.

I'll say this though; Going by what he's written, the tape thing really is a non-issue. He takes all of the blame for it, and states that Steve Wiebe was the record holder for years after that event, which wasn't shown in the documentary and should have been. It's also news to me that Steve Wiebe had been a former record holder, and not just some guy that wanted to break the record. They really played up the David versus Goliath angle, which is apparently bull.

Time to try to get into a BF:BC2 game again.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 6:15PM killdash9 said

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I haven't read Issue #5, but I thought this sentence from Issue #2 was pretty significant: "Interestingly, audiences watching the \"King of Kong\" are unaware that Steve Wiebe is already, at that time, the World Champion on Donkey Kong and remains so throughout the first 4/5ths of the movie, a fact that the movie plot doesn't reveal." Specifically, "[t]he events portrayed in the \"King of Kong\" movie generally took place between June 30, 2003 and April 9, 2006. During that time period Steve Wiebe was Twin Galaxies' official Donkey Kong World Champion from June 30, 2003 until January 30, 2006 - a period of 943 days."
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 7:12PM BananaBoat said

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That's what I was referencing. The documentary really only worked because Steve Wiebe was portrayed as the common man, trying to excel at something because the world had sort of collapsed around him. Documentaries are notorious for skewing facts to help fit a narrative, and that seems to have happened in this case to some extent.

Billy notwithstanding (he impugned his own character in the movie by acting the way he did), Walter could just be collateral damage from a documentary that needed clear cut villains in order to sell its hero. Walter makes mistakes throughout the multiple years depicted in the documentary (I didn't realize it took place over such a long period) but then again, who doesn't. His only fault may have been favoritism toward Billy (which makes sense according to his Wikipedia page; He's known Billy for decades) but he made that mistake at a time (likely the only time ever) when attention was focused on him due to the documentary.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:03PM (Unverified) said

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This is a sad day...
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:27PM (Unverified) said

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What's the bag on the right?

1. His career has been involved with video games for 30 years

2. He's a musician

3. He's an adult with a toy of the blue guy from Foster's home for imaginary friends

So yeah, that could just be some "herb". He probably uses it in his brownies. :P
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:41PM (Unverified) said

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What a legend, I wish him well in the future.

Also, while I very much enjoyed King of Kong (got the poster on the wall behind me as I type) there's no doubt that the filmmakers presented an extremely one-sided view of events, as can be discovered with even a tiny bit of Google research. Everyone that's ever met Walter Day gives a much more positive account of him and that's the image I'm inclined to believe in.

Seriously though, that bag... lrn2stash Walter :)
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 5:50PM Danzig Logo said

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Going to persue his music career? Lots of luck - if the rest of his stuff is anything like what we saw in the King of Kong, he's got an impossible journey ahead of him. That stuff was flat-out awful.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 6:21PM (Unverified) said

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I don't know what's funnier... The Bloo toy or huge bag of weed.

He's probably going for a new HIGH score tonight.
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Posted: Mar 6th 2010 7:44PM mettlekettle said

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After watching the video, i came away with a different impression. It made me feel sad just how empty the lives of some of the people showcased in the movie really were. They had nothing going on in their lives except reliving something from their past.

Two examples I can come up with was that one guy that collects exotic and poisonous (correct me if I'm wrong) creatures. The other guy was the nerdy dude who said he learned everything from Mitchell and that only he can pull off some certain move, but when it came time for him to show off he couldn't muster any proof.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 12:12AM (Unverified) said

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I don't think the bag to his left is weed. Looks more like dried basil.
Also, best wishes to Walter. He really wasn't too bad in the King of Kong and he made up for his misdoings afterwards. Seems like a sincere kind of guy.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 12:14AM (Unverified) said

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Also, pt.2

There is a potential kill screen coming up if you want to see it.

/obvious reference
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 12:04PM LaughingTarget said

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Good time to get out. Games aren't too big on keeping score like they used to. Given the whole scene is driven around aging games, the overall relevance will decline as more and more gamers become unaware of that Frogger and Donkey Kong is.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 2:36PM Granger said

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"Games aren't too big on keeping score like they used to."

Achievements, Trophies, and Online Leaderboards beg to differ. Keeping score is perhaps bigger than it ever was, for better or for worse. Of course, for the most part, keeping score has been supplanted in most modern games by keeping and comparing rigorous stats as well - but it's still all about doing something the most, doing something the best, or doing something first.
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Posted: Mar 7th 2010 3:19PM gk128 said

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Mr. Awesome (Roy Shildt) is going to need to know who the new head of TG is so he can bitch about Billy Mitchell stealing his Missile Command score now.
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Posted: Mar 8th 2010 11:29AM Cranky Penguin said

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I say give Walter a break, I met him in 2001 when I won a competition in Vegas at CGE (Classic Gaming Expo) and he is a nice guy. He made a mistake in King of Kong that he apologized for and did what he could to rectify so I don't see why anyone should dislike him. I fully approve of all the Billy Mitchell hate however as I think his actions in the movie speak for themselves.
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Posted: Mar 9th 2010 12:46AM KrazyCalvin said

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Man.... the world is going to run out of bronze when we start making the walter day statues to put outside all the arcades out there.
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Posted: May 16th 2010 5:03PM (Unverified) said

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I'm a little late getting hold of this, so I apologise.

I'm a little shocked at the poisonous comments from some of the more ignorant posters above (i.e. what has Walter Day done?)

First off, whilst naturally everybody's entitled to their opinions, it makes you look a little foolish to take the fanboyistic route of "one guy bad, one guy good" from the basis of a sensationalist docufilm. It's somewhat blasé of me to say this, but very little in life is black and white (well, not since Pong at least ;) )

Whilst I quite agree that "King of Kong" did paint Billy Mitchell in a bad light, and maybe he's not the kind of guy most people would want to go out for a beer with, the fact remains that you rarely get anyone that focused and motivated without being more than a little bit of an arse, to be brutally frank. It's the nature of the beast - Diego Maradona, Michael Schumacher, to give a couple of slightly poor analogies.

But, the ignorance regarding Walter Day is silly - if you truly don't know what he's done, then Google! But, if the comment was cynical and rhetoric in nature, then that's just shameful.

Whilst it's common knowledge that video games high scores were kept long before Walter Day had the idea, he was the guy who thought it'd be a good idea to collate it all - a mammoth task (remembering of course, no internet via which to gather that data in the first instance). Alright, maybe the whole thing might seem incredibly anal, but whatever floats your boat. Fact is, he did it, he did it first, and he did it well.

What can be excused, I guess, is that most posters wouldn't remember what the society was like back then (I don't intend to be derogatory - just stating a fact). I'm sure quite a few of the adults amongst us have admitted to someone at some time that they playing video games, to be met with laughter, scoffing, or various forms of detracting remarks; basically, that was a whole lot worse back then. Certainly, I remember some places being so bad as to being "found out" that you went to an arcade to play video games was tantamount to admitting to heroin addiction. Maybe I exaggerate, but I'm sure you get the point. Anyway, Walter Day was more than a little instrumental into promoting video games, and in fact got the Twin Galaxies programme on your TVs (not mine, because I'm in England and it was much worse for us - we don't even have video games programmes now).

I won't go into any more detail, but needless to say he had/has a belief and he stuck to it, promoted it, and furthermore, helped others. That's surely no bad thing?

Let's face it, in today's age when f***wits such as Paris Hilton, Lady Gaga and talentless "celebrity" are given such adulation, I can think of a much, much worse example of humanity to respect.

So, please, unless you've done something remarkably shining for humanity yourselves, I hardly think it prudent to be so rude about somebody deserving of respect.

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