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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:02PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I am thoroughly surprised. Glad you're moving this route MS.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:13PM (Unverified) said

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Glad as i am (and you sound) i think they took way too long for this. This should have happened AGES ago, if not built into the system at launch. I will acknowledge that they are the first to do this however and that is a good step (although Sony does allow you to transfer saves using a USB and also download other peoples saves (with trophies locked).
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:20PM arrrgh said

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this is a HUUUUUUUGE freaking deal!!! So long MS crappy proprietary EXPENSIVE HDD!!!

Hellooo 1tb usb drive!
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:21PM arrrgh said

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BAH! just read about the cap :'( am now sad
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:21PM Dr Blight said

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@Aaarrgghh

Read the article again. Slap yourself.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:23PM (Unverified) said

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So you have to dedicate the whole USB drive to xbox storage, or at least pre-allocate a portion of it, whether you use it or not? I wonder if you will even be able to read the data on this partition when connecting to a PC. I assume they will be using a proprietary file system.

It's a step in the right direction, at least, but leaves a bit to be desired when compared to what Sony allows with USB devices.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:23PM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said

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@arrrgh: Try reading the article, the max support is 16gb
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:23PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Yeah the MS HDD is still the cheaper route to go. But this is very nice for transfers and such. 16 GB is still a lot of room.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:25PM Curtis17 said

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Yes, very surprised, but not totally shocked. I just spent the past few months trying to track down a Memory Unit for my old roommate so he can get his saved games off my 360. Finally had to go the eBay route.

Needless to say, he won't be happy about this, hahaha.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:46PM Courtney said

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Oh, but just wait. You'll have to use an MS branded memory stick, and they're only going to sell the 16GB version for $89.95.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:46PM Duke said

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I'm pretty shocked and thrilled with this. It is about damn time.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:50PM StormX said

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@NoughtSoClever a "whole" USB drive is not a huge deal to me. God knows how many spare 4-8GB thumb drives I have hanging around. Will just toss 2 of the larger capacity ones in and call it a day.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:06PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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@Swagman

Some of us only need a little extra storage. It has multiple uses. A lot of us have thumb drives just hanging around waiting to be used. This is no slap in the face. It's a nice alternative for us who don't want to spend a fortune on a huge HDD when needing only minor more space. It's also good for transfers and storage of media.

All in all it's better than nothing. You now have an extra option open to you rather than JUST having to buy the expensive HDDs.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:16PM Baron Milton Von Crompton said

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@Spike

Heh, thoroughly surprised? I'd say blow me down with a feather! I can't believe this!

Still can't!!
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:18PM SmokemeaKipper said

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Make it so.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:39PM SirUrza said

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I'm still scratching my head over the notion that anyone needs more then 2 or 3 games installed at once.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:19PM Dustin F said

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urza, seriously?

It's sweet that I have 106 games and 300 movies on my PS3. I can't wait for next gen, when I don't need discs at all. Just scrolling through tons of games is fun, easy, and gives me more value. I don't want to have to reinstall a game just to play it again for 1 hour, a year after I beat it. I don't have to.

And really, running out of space keeps people from buying more games. That's why I bought the 500gb hdd for my 60 gb PS3 (it was CHEAP!). I realized I wasn't getting games I wanted because I ran out of room.

Devs should ask MS to unlock their storage caps. They would sell more. MS has a good system with a lot of good games. Just because you don't 'need' several installed at once doesn't mean it isn't much better that way.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:39PM robotoid said

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@arrrgh:

That's what happens when you comment just for the sake of having an early comment without even reading the article. Slap yourself again.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:49PM arrrgh said

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And yet i managed to correct myself before anyone could post... and people STILL commented after.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:50PM arrrgh said

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thanks for jumping on the bandwagon though. You're so cool
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:50PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Leave the guy alone. He manned up to his mistake. No reason to point it out for the 50th time.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 4:55PM AutobotIronhide said

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I'm worried about hacking and such. Good bye, fun.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:35PM whylekat said

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@Swagman

does it really say "What The F-Bomb Barbacue?
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 5:36PM whylekat said

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@Swagman

does it really say "What The F-Bomb Barbacue?
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:03PM Debley said

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Finally
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:52PM sigma8 said

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Seriously. What do they mean by "due to the market penetration" of high capacity USB storage devices? Do they mean people have literally rammed them into their 360's? Or that these items have penetrated our faces? Because these devices have been very readily available on the market for like 4 years or more... since the 360 launched, at least.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 3:45PM (Unverified) said

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@Scott: It refers to market penetration, a growth strategy that involves entering or penetrating a market using an already existing product. In this case they've converted a large amount of non-users into users and have convinced current users that they should stick with it. With USB drives now becoming a technological norm thanks to the high market penetration, it's only logical that Microsoft finally embraces it for the 360 as a memory storage platform.

Second year marketing student represent, yo. Also, feel free to make juvenile jokes about penetration, lord knows I do. Hehehe.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 3:48PM (Unverified) said

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Also, just a quick addition, just because they were readily available does not mean that everyone used them. They've seen a lot more prevalence over the last two years as opposed to 2006 and 2007 where it was mostly tech-savvy people probably using them.

But that's just justifying Microsoft's "marketing" response really - they've had no reason NOT to use them up to this point for XBOX-related storage.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 6:01PM WiredKnight said

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They were still more widely used than the 360's proprietary memory units were. Especially when you consider that a large portion of 360 owners would be those "tech-savvy" people you speak of. It would have been so much more practical to have been able to use them from the get go.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:03PM Prinnywithascarf said

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What a nice way to start my morning.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:03PM Eminemdrdre00 said

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This is cool, but the 16GB limit is not.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:14PM DjDATZ said

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Agreed. Cool to be replacing memory units, but the artificial cap of 16GB is a completely dick move.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:21PM RKN said

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Think about it from their perspective, if there was no limit, NOBODY would buy their overpriced hard drives.

I know it doesn't make it any better for us customers, we're on the opposite fence vs. Microsoft, who wants to milk us for all we're worth with their hard drives.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:32PM (Unverified) said

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I know I'm gonna sound like a PS3 fan boy, so I'll preface this by saying that I own twice as many 360 games and play it way more often.

With that said. MS really sucks ass in the storage department, compared to the PS3.

PS3
- Use any sized 2.5" SATA hard drive you want
- Use any FAT formated USB drive to store saves (that aren't locked), music, movies

Xbox 360
- Proprietary overpriced hard drives
- Proprietary overpriced memory units (3rd party MUs disabled)
- New option of USB requires proprietary partition file system, limited to 16 GB

Anti-Sony or not. Wouldn't you prefer if MS were not taking advantage of it's customers who already had to endure faulty hardware. This is the one aspect of the Xbox that annoys me the most.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:43PM SoCoolCurt said

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yea nerdydesi has it right. even though i'm glad they finally entered this Gen in terms of storage (the Wii uses regular SD cards too), the cap is simply so people can just replace the need to buy their expensive hard drives with an external drive they have laying around the house. pretty much a dick move but you have to remember that they are trying to sell stuff first and foremost. it's a step in the right direction at least.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:12PM Mr Khan said

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Exactly. Without that limitation, non-Arcade sales would tank, since people would just buy the Arcade and augment it with superior, cheaper memory.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:21PM CyberKnight said

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@NoughtSoClever : As an admitted Xbox fanboy, I totally agree. When it comes to storage, the PS3 completely and thoroughly pwn3z.

I'm annoyed that I found a 512MB MU as an open-box deal for half-off ($25, when 8MB cards were still $30) and considered that a "good deal" -- when 2GB memory sticks were already half of *that* price.

And, of course, hard drives are even worse.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:04PM aughscreennames said

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I assume it will support NTFS instead of just useless fat32 like the PS3
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:07PM Dr Blight said

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...aren't most flash drives formatted in either FAT or FAT32 by default?
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:08PM aughscreennames said

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augh there was more to the article. Even something as small as external an HDD is apparently too good to be true, what a load of bullshit. They seriously have no shame.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:09PM (Unverified) said

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As of right now, the 360 doesn't support NTFS. Really hoping that changes...
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:09PM TraceurRyuk Prepping for LBP2 said

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Yeah, I've used all kinds of different flash drives on my PS3 and haven't had a problem yet...
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:14PM aughscreennames said

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You can reformat anything to be NTFS, FAT32 is default because it works on everything. But it doesnt matter anyways because I was assuming they were supporting external storage like the PS3, not pulling this bullshit.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:18PM Sled said

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Last time I checked ps3 wasn't NTFS compatible.
I have had to split all my bluray movies in half b/c FAT32 is a pos
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:59PM superstar said

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If only they would make the 360 support NTFS. I keep all of my media larger than 4 GB formatted NTFS just in case I need to fit an iso or a large video file, and I kind of hate that I basically have to have a dedicated FAT32 HD, just because the MICROSOFT Xbox can't read MICROSOFT's NTFS file system. It just makes no sense.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:34PM bass said

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I wouldn't hold my breathe for NTFS support on either PS3 or 360.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 1:51PM xreadmore said

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If you use a Mac formatted drive you can use large file sizes if watching movies via USB. There's a program called MacDrive that let's you format and such on a PC. works great with those 500GB external drives!

/for xbox anyway, not sure about PS3
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:13PM Psykechan said

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No NTFS support because it's not needed.

The USB device will be repartitioned with a "system partition" and a "consumer partition". The consumer partition will likely be formated as FATX which is what the Xbox 360 HDs and current MUs use. I have no idea about the system partition (or why it needs to be 512MB)

This is for replacing current MUs, not changes to USB spooling of music/video. If you need > 2GB files you'll have to do what @readmore said and use Mac formatted HFS+ drives for that or just spool it over a networked computer. Before you go thinking about conspiracies you'll have to realize that the only reason that HFS+ recognized by the 360 and not NTFS is because they had to have it for Mac formatted iPods.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 2:21PM incendious said

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@tinyroar How do you split Blu-ray movies in half? Last I checked, they couldn't be copied over to the the PS3's hard drive. PS3 uses an unknown file system for its internal hard drive since its able to exceed the 4GB file size limit FAT32 imposes. Its external drives use FAT32 though.
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Posted: Mar 18th 2010 3:17PM superstar said

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@Psykechan But it just seems stupid for someone like me who is primarily a Windows user, to need a Mac formatted drive just to use large files on the Xbox, which as I said is made by the same damn company as NTFS. I want to use my large portable hard drive with my brand new Windows 7 running laptop and my Xbox, not my 6 year old iBook (which has been relegated to netbook duty)
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