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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:06PM (Unverified) said

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why are the graphics so poorly done?
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:28PM aristokrat said

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"Other than having "all the levels" built for the game, Six Days still requires "additional AI and graphics" passes for it to be complete."
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:58PM Puertoricarious said

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and even if it WAS fully finished, gameplay > graphics.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 6:40PM (Unverified) said

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Why haven't you learned to read?
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:06PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I agree entirely. Games like this should not be pin pointed as some sort of bad game due to it's setting. As they say films can be made, why not games? I just feel these people who are against it can't handle the truth and reality of what's really going on in our world.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:12PM TubaDude49 said

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I agree as well, as long as we see respect, not Activision
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:35PM aristokrat said

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"You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world with walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You?"

Sorry, couldn't help myself. Damn you, ingrained pop culture reference reactions...
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 9:38PM Gibeon said

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aristokrat@ wheres that quote from?
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:08PM Razer922 said

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Here's to hoping they get it out late this year or early next year. If pulled off correctly, this could really blur the line between games being just games and games being art. And I'm all for that.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:19PM Kid Icarus said

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games-as-art has been happening for a long time now. hell, i suppose one could say that all games are art even.

ico/shadow of the colossus, bioshock, flower, come to mind immediately
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:24PM Razer922 said

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Yes, it's been happening for a while now, this is true. But there's still plenty of skepticism, even after Flower, Bioshock, et al. I think Six Days could honestly be the game that pushes video games over the line of "games are art".
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:15PM Kid Icarus said

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A documentary game, a pretty unique concept. They kinda went for the throat as far as subject matter though.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:21PM spacemonkey086 said

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i still hope this game is released
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:20PM itsjose said

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Well if Heavy Rain allow us to connect with characters and feel part of the game, why can't an FPS. This could be a great way of story telling on a FPS. Recent ones I played feel really bland and I haven't felt a thrill of going through a story since CoD4.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:21PM Dr Blight said

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Hmm...I really hope this at least gets published.

Who're we looking at? EA Partners? They're no stranger to controversy...

Not to mention it's been a few years and Iraq is relatively quiet these days.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 6:04PM maveric101 said

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EA was the first that came to my mind, though a celebrity/athlete sex scandal isn't quite on the same level as a war.

i hope it gets published though. it sounds like they handled the subject matter pretty well.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:32PM aristokrat said

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Wow, that gave me goosebumps thinking about how this game could play out. Seems like it'd be rather harrowing and exhausting...what's that called? Oh yeah, catharsis. Instead of attacking this game, people should be pushing for it because it sounds like a pretty cool evolution of gaming. Also seems like actual combatants might want to stay away from it though, since it might not bring back good memories (kind of like that guy in SC that ran off into the woods and died after having a flashback playing CoD).

I just hope they're able to pull off this rather interesting concept with technical aplomb as well. I'm reminded of that Turning Point: Fall of Liberty game, which had a cool concept but totally sucked (not to say that these two are of the same vein).

Also, what's with all the really long, in-depth articles lately, Joystiq? I like it.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:49PM Acosta02 said

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I'm here to agree with that last little bit (not to say I don't agree with the rest). I was taken aback by how huge this article is. And that's a really good thing, too.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 5:44PM ComicShaman said

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After this interview, I'm actually cooler with this game than I am with most modern warfare-style games, or WWII setting games.

I don't play games with those settings. I can't help thinking about my grandfathers who served in WWII and both came back with PTSD (or "shell shock," as it was called then). Or my brother, who is currently serving in Iraq. There's something to me that doesn't work about having "fun" recreating these experiences. I'm not saying this as a condemnation of anyone else--this is just how I feel. It's too close to home for a game.

From what he's saying in the interview, though, it sounds like SDIF would not be about having fun. This is a novel idea--a video game deliberately meant to not be fun (rather than accidentally, which happens all too often). Being a marine on the front lines in an action like this would be the opposite of fun. If done correctly, it should be positively harrowing.

I applaud them for the effort, if that's what they're going for. "Interactive documentary" is probably more accurate and respectful than "video game."

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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 9:39PM gatotsu911 said

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THANK YOU. I really thought I was the only person out there who was made uncomfortable by these types of games, and was looking forward to SDIF for the exact reasons you specified.

Also, I am astonished by the idiocy and bigotry of some of the comments on this thread.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 6:48PM (Unverified) said

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The only big publisher that I'd trust not to whore it up would be Ubisoft. EA and Activision would both try to turn it into a franchise with in game advertising and/or DLC body armor they can charge extra.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 7:37PM GMUHistorian said

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I've actually changed my opinion of this game's concept because of this article. It's good that the developer is openly stating that the game isn't pushing a pro or anti-war sentiment. Tamte's right, to an individual soldier, Marine or sailor "down range" the reason they're there doesn't really matter, they're there because it's their job to be there. They may or may not support the political decisions behind the beginning of the conflict, but ultimately those are irrelevant on a day to day basis.

I'm a little concerned about the potential gameplay though. It does seem like this game would be an "on rails" shooter.

Also, I'd be a bit worried that this game might be TOO hardcore in terms of the "shoot a civilian and it's game over" issue, and end up like a console version of ARMA or a couple other PC games. That's not necessarily a bad thing, because hardcore games like ARMA and others have really strong followings on the PC. I'm sure it would take me a while but I'd eventually be able to follow the ROE and keep myself from shooting anything that moved and wasn't another U.S. Marine in the game. But I'm a gamer and I keep at things like that because I want to get better at my hobby.

The problem is that it might scare potential publishers away because a too hardcore game will possibly (probably?) scare away some purchases. There seems to be a move in the industry toward games that, even in the traditional genres supported by "hardcore" gamers, are more forgiving and can be played by casual gamers looking for more of a challenge but not too much. That might mean the developer ends up going under because of lack of sales even if it's a great game.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 8:41PM Yellowdevil said

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"According to previously classified Pentagon documents, the gas had originally been listed as a "chemical weapon" and its use had been considered a war crime."

Hey Joystiq, I hate to put holes in your "professional" reporting, but the actual use of WP is not by itself a war crime. Since it has many uses besides offensive, it has not been banned by an international treaties outright. Even the UN's spokesman for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, Peter Kaiser, says:

"No it's not forbidden by the CWC if it is used within the context of a military application which does not require or does not intend to use the toxic properties of white phosphorus. White phosphorus is normally used to produce smoke, to camouflage movement."

It is true there are supposed to be restrictions against using on personnel, but you guys are steamrolling the issue as a "one rule fits all situations". But than again, Joystiq, you did ask this question to one of the Marine advisors during the initial Q&A:

Joystiq Randy Nelson: "Will there be portrayals of women being raped or dead children or are you just sticking to the combat?"

WTF.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 9:15PM Xav de Matos said

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According to a 1995 document made unclassified by the U.S. government, the U.S. had declared the use of such chemicals as war crimes when describing the acts of terror Saddam Hussein committed. Currently, WP use is not considered a war crime because of the reasons you listed.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 10:23PM Yellowdevil said

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Xav de Matos

You are correct, I was just lambasting Joystiq's reporting on the idea that "Any use of WP=War Crimes". And the links they used to support their statement was either a liberal commentary or unrelated in the context of how the U.S marines may or may not have used WP.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 10:28PM juggalotusmx said

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war crimes? pretty much everything goes now days i mean if your in the right side
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 9:08AM Aerothorn said

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"Liberal commentary?" Really? I fail to see how discussion of violations of chemical weapons policy falls on the political binary.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 9:44AM Yellowdevil said

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Aerothorn

Liberal commentary? Yes really...

I was referring (if you read my statement) to one of the the links Joystiq provided to substantiated their statement about WP. It was to a site/blog commondreams.org and the article was an editorial about 2005 criticizing the use of WP in Fallujah.

C'mon people am I the only person following up on links these days? Or are we on the mentality to kill the messenger?
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 9:05PM (Unverified) said

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if activision can handle the press from No Russian, not to mention the entire mw2 community hating their guts, they can publish and release this game probably by march 2011.
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 9:39PM (Unverified) said

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I would like to see how this game portrays the events that occurred in Fallujah. Especially the use of WP by the American army. Shame no publisher wants to step up
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Posted: Mar 31st 2010 11:06PM juggalotusmx said

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"I need the rules of engagement, ive never been in a combat zone before and they said well if it looks like the enemy... shot it!"

Ken Davis, Military Police
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 1:15AM joeboosauce said

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@Stochinblockin
Yours is an obvious disinformation attempt. EVEN a basic search on Wikipedia for white phosphorus lays out the US disinfo campaign of denial of the use of WP against human beings and subsequent backpeddling. The sourcing is legit and easily verifiable. US Soldiers have admitted to using it in the capacity of a WAR CRIME.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus#Use_in_Iraq_.282004.29

The Geneva Conventions and rules of engagment are taught in basic training but everyone knows it is not enforced... in the case of US soldiers violating those conventions. This has been confirmed to me personally by Iraq War vets and you can find this documented publicly as well.

This game is yet another piece of pro-militaristic warmongering. By its own admission it is HEAVILY biased. "Rules of engagement" my rear end. Those ARE optional for US soldiers. Of course, this is not the line for the public. Its so sad, this will further shelter Americans from what lif is like elsewhere and the realities of war. And reduce it to another (video) game and fodder for for Americans entertainment/amusement. Great to see that Americans don't mind using other people's lands for bombing, shooting rounds, occupying, and then having fun stories to be entertained by. Pathetic really.

You can google a good viewpoint on The Hurt Locker is
An Oscar for America's Hubris by Robert Scheer
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 9:59AM Yellowdevil said

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Imran

Did you even read my comment? Did I even SAY the Marines didn't use WP during Fallujah? No, and that wasn't even the point I was contesting. Do a better job reading next time.

Also I don't need a viewpoint of the Hurt Locker since I've been to Iraq myself. Twice.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 12:25PM trendscenedental said

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You mean to tell me that if you're thousands of miles from home, fighting a war you may or may not believe in, against a nameless, faceless enemy that could even turn up as the young child you just rescued, that you would not use any means necessary for your survival? I can't fathom what went through these soldiers' minds, and I would not blame a single one of them for anything they did.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 9:05AM Aerothorn said

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I think it's horribly ironic that the game was shut down due to the "controversies" of it setting, largely by pro-military groups. Not only does the game seem imminently respectful, it's actually going farther than reality. "Shooting civilians is a game over." Not in the real world, bucko. Admittedly, covering it up and/or dealing with the military bureaucracy on the off chance they did decide to prosecute would be hard to model in the game.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:53PM joeboosauce said

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Well said. As I mentioned in my previous post, the so called "rules of engagement" are rarely punished for if broken. Only if those pesky media types witness this. And of course, only video footage is admissible and then its questionable in the eyes of the US military. The "rules of engagement" are just for show. US soldiers know they are optional for them. They are told so in their training.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:29PM iceveiled said

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Look, it comes down to this: If this game's very existence offends you, DON'T BUY IT. It's that simple.

If video games can't address mature concepts, be they unpopular wars or whatever, they will never break out of that stereotype of being for children only.

I really hope this game gets released.

As for whether nor not releasing a game based on an ongoing war is "too soon" I have this to say: The global war on terror is a war that, by design, will never end. 10 years from now US forces will be fighting the children of fathers killed a decade ago.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 3:33PM (Unverified) said

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I'm so tired of Call of Duty and HALO...please don't use respawns!!! When is somebody going to make a new version of RainbowSix that doesn't suck?
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Posted: Apr 15th 2010 11:16PM (Unverified) said

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Shoot, i was there and if i could play a video game like that it would be in honor of my brothers and myself so everyone needs to shut- up... i wana play it!! Not to mention blackhawk down was made in honor of the men who lost their lives in " The MOG" back in the day, people made money off there lives and storys whats wrong with a video game to honor the men of Phantom Fury!!!
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