Admitting that the ability to create and play as a female agent in the first Crackdown was originally intended (but eventually cut), Billy Thomson, Ruffian Games creative director and former lead designer of Crackdown at Realtime Worlds, explained to 1UP that the functionality won't be making an appearance in the sequel either. According to Thomson, it was excluded from the first game due to memory constraints that would've required a "massive reduction" to other parts of the game.
Similar limitations will keep playable female characters out of Crackdown 2 at launch, Thomson claimed. "You've got four players (in cooperative play), and that means every single player can be a different character, and that has to be in memory all the time ... we had to save memory all over the place because we've got so much more content in this game than we had in the first game ... we don't stream." While the studio isn't making any promises about a female agent DLC update, "we never know what happens in the future," teased producer James Cope.
Reader Comments (68)
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:03PM Cadattack123 said
Darth Vader- NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:45PM (Unverified) said
It's really not that serious. Then if they did have women in, the media would trash it for violence against women because you're able to jump in dumpsters and toss them off the HQ building.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 8:25PM (Unverified) said
Borderhouse did a parody article relating to this topic today: http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=2027 "A Matter of Resources: Why There Aren't More Male Avatars in Games"
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:19PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said
Yeah, I know the entirety of that stuff, and agree. I was mostly joking.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:35PM Liekos said
As husband to a wife in the games industry, it's definately sexist. She's even been the test lead on a different game with this exact issue, and convinced them to put female characters in - which they initially resisted.
It doesn't take much to add female characters - did your character in Crackdown 1 even have any voiceover lines?
And the "memory" excuse is bullshit. It's just a character model, it would take no more memory than any other character model.
There should always be equal representation in games...we need more girl gamers out there, and we need to give the ability to let them play their own gender...
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It doesn't take much to add female characters - did your character in Crackdown 1 even have any voiceover lines?
And the "memory" excuse is bullshit. It's just a character model, it would take no more memory than any other character model.
There should always be equal representation in games...we need more girl gamers out there, and we need to give the ability to let them play their own gender...
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:38PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said
@BunnySlapper
I support your wife there. This is why my wife enjoys games like FF13. Chance to control female characters. It isn't that she hates playing a male character, and is entirely willing to, but enjoys playing the female sex more. I suppose it's a character bonding sort of thing.
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I support your wife there. This is why my wife enjoys games like FF13. Chance to control female characters. It isn't that she hates playing a male character, and is entirely willing to, but enjoys playing the female sex more. I suppose it's a character bonding sort of thing.
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 8:25PM (Unverified) said
Borderhouse did a parody article relating to this topic today: http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=2027 "A Matter of Resources: Why There Aren't More Male Avatars in Games"
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:21PM TheDarkWayne said
stuff actually happens on April 1st that aren't jokes. Examples : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_1st
this is hardly joke material at all anyway
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this is hardly joke material at all anyway
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:06PM Dance Mofo said
yeah thats all any most male gamer wants to see is "man-boobs"
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:10PM (Unverified) said
http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/community/buenapark/2007/09/24_n_msolympia3_large.jpg
I can see the appeal. [/sarcasm]
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I can see the appeal. [/sarcasm]
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 3:17PM Dance Mofo said
@ Sandmonkey hahahahahaaha hahahahaha. nicely done
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:08PM goatchumby said
I didn't know female characters took more memory to display than male characters.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:09PM (Unverified) said
There are sound files too, mostly nagging. And I heard they had a special ability called, "Make Sandwich" and "Bitch".
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 4:31PM Jack Tretton said
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:09PM (Unverified) said
Too many gamers keep commenting go get a life losers!!
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 4:52PM RudyHuxtable said
I don't knit but I AM making my own Vault Boy plushie, and he is damn cool.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:09PM (Unverified) said
I don't want to see extremely buff women, it makes me feel less masculine.
http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/community/buenapark/2007/09/24_n_msolympia3_large.jpg
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http://images.ocregister.com/newsimages/community/buenapark/2007/09/24_n_msolympia3_large.jpg
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:10PM TheDarkWayne said
I don't understand their explanation for not having it, if 4 people can all be different agent models, what difference does it make a difference if they're female? I'm sure they might have different skeletons and mesh and all that, but wont at least some the males too? Seems like a real BSy answer
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:11PM (Unverified) said
They could just make two of the four into women.
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:23PM TheDarkWayne said
I know someone up there said they'd have to do separate animations and everything, but if they really just wanted to do it by the skin of their teeth, they wouldnt even have to change the models, just take off a helmet and give them a lady's face, that can't be that hard or resource consuming
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 3:59PM Vcize said
I would imagine it's mostly about the body shape. Different characters that are all male are just different textures over the same shape. But when you look at the actual movement of their body parts and shape of their body, they're all exactly the same.
That wouldn't be the case with a female model, since they'd have to make it more feminine shaped, and re-do all the movement animations around that.
If you jump with a black-haired Asian guy with no facial hair, the actual animations are exactly the same as if you jump with a blonde white guy that has a goatee. But they're not the same as if you jumped with a female character.
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That wouldn't be the case with a female model, since they'd have to make it more feminine shaped, and re-do all the movement animations around that.
If you jump with a black-haired Asian guy with no facial hair, the actual animations are exactly the same as if you jump with a blonde white guy that has a goatee. But they're not the same as if you jumped with a female character.
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 11:37PM Chareth Cutestory said
This sounds like utter nonsense. It's an open world game!
There are bound to be female NPCs. There are already hundreds of nameless jerks running around the streets of Wherever (Pacific?) City.
I'm supposed to buy that they didn't have the memory available for 1 more character model and set of animations?
On second thought, I did have a lot of technical issues playing 2 player co-op in the first Crackdown... Maybe my fears that these guys are rehashing a 5 year old game will prove true.
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There are bound to be female NPCs. There are already hundreds of nameless jerks running around the streets of Wherever (Pacific?) City.
I'm supposed to buy that they didn't have the memory available for 1 more character model and set of animations?
On second thought, I did have a lot of technical issues playing 2 player co-op in the first Crackdown... Maybe my fears that these guys are rehashing a 5 year old game will prove true.
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:14PM Petebot330 said
Yeah, this is kind of bullshit. Way to alienate 50% of potential players. I'm positive that were I to ask my gf if she wants to play a coop game, the first thing she would try to do is make the player female.
Granted, I know there are a lot of games where there is only one possible character, but in the case where there are avatar options, "being a female" should be included.
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Granted, I know there are a lot of games where there is only one possible character, but in the case where there are avatar options, "being a female" should be included.
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 3:59PM Punkrawk Bbob said
how does 50% of the potential player-base get alienated? Its not like you go around raping and beating women. You just can't play as them. I don't know about you, but I didn't identify with my superhero black corn-rowed agent from the first game. I still played and enjoyed it.
Your ideas are dumb. Why am I replying to you?
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Your ideas are dumb. Why am I replying to you?
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:41PM TheDarkWayne said
While i do think their excuse was kind of bullshitty and they should have female characters, you aren't going to buy it because of that? Seriously? What games do you play at all? And what the hell for?
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Posted: Apr 1st 2010 2:50PM (Unverified) said
Seriously. I hate it when game companies think they can skimp because they believe that girls won't play their game to begin with. No... it just makes us not want to play when you don't include us into the equation.
And.. no I won't buy Crackdown 2.
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And.. no I won't buy Crackdown 2.
Posted: Apr 1st 2010 3:42PM (Unverified) said
If what they say about creating female characters is actually true, I guess I understand. It still doesn't change the fact that I do like to play this type of game but I'm much less likely to play it, as a female, if I can't be a female in the game - esp. if it's a co-op or online game. I played Borderlands, which I was hesitant to do at first, mainly because it had a female character...and later down the line, I really grew to love the game but I don't know that I ever would have started it if I had to be a male character.
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