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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:35AM letherclad said

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Dementium is a much better game

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 4:48PM Lemmiwinks said

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Funnest thing I've read all day.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 4:49PM Lemmiwinks said

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Crap. I meant the thing below.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:37AM a dark day said

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There are what, 4 M-rated games for DS lol.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:50AM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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According to the article....6....

Bye hater...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:51AM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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According to the article....7.....

Bye hater...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:06PM Gun Barrier said

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According to the article....8.....

Bye hater...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:08PM oOWallaceOo said

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According to the article....9.....

Bye hater...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:22PM Hank Hill said

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According to the article....10.....

Bye hater...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:28PM Soundwave said

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C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:32PM Chris DPSN AggieCEO XBLThe Aggi said

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Damn I thought I clicked stop before the first one went thru....oh well....LMAO
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:34PM ThatStuffsLethal said

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According to the mayonaise....Q....

Bye Gerald!!

..amidoinitrite?
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:39AM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Not surprising. There aren't many M rated games on the DS. Most of them aren't good. As letherclad said, Dementium is better.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:42AM Shagittarius said

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Piracy my ass, if you stop the pirates your still not going to increase your sales, they still won't pay for your product.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:57AM Mmmmz said

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Broke pirates won't but pirates with money would if they couldn't pirate. I know more pirates with money than without...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:13PM Muscle Rider said

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You're telling me that if piracy was gone for good that no one who use pirate games would never buy a game ever again? That the only reason they were a gamer was because they could play them for free? And there will never be a game so incing to them that they would actually pay for it if piracy was done for?
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:18PM Shagittarius said

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Yes, exactly. When it comes to PC games piracy I'm sure that most of the people who do so are casual and will just stop playing the ones they cannot pirate. I'm not saying all but I am saying a lot of them.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:45PM Mr Khan said

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Exactly. Piracy is like used sales: the excuse for publishers who can't sell games.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:50PM Guess Who said

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@ Mr. Khan: Haha, wait, so you're saying the guys who make GRAND THEFT AUTO can't sell games?

No, I think piracy on the DS is definitely an issue, combined with the fact that there's just not much of a market for M-rated DS games.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:24PM Shagittarius said

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I think used sales is a legitimate concern. After all those people buying used do actually buy the games. Pirates on the other hand as I was supposing will just stop playing them.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 11:52AM HighFiveJesus said

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I want dementium and its soon to be awesome sequel. I've got MOON right now.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:05PM Petebot330 said

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How is Moon? I remember hearing about it when it came out and being intrigued, but now i don't remember anything about it...
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:58PM HighFiveJesus said

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Kinda reminds me of Doom but less violent. I have not gotten far.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:09PM Swizzler said

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all I saw was GTA:CTW...50%...Sale I was darting through the article looking for a store or website where I could buy it...now I feel like an idiot.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:17PM MarkezJM said

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You can still likely find it for pretty cheap at this point, idiot. It's a great game and a lot of fun.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:22PM Dr Blight said

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Well, it's 15.00 on Amazon...

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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:27PM Soundwave said

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What about Shin Megami Tensei: Strange Journey? Or is that not out yet?

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 12:41PM Buster Rod G said

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It would be nice if Strange Journey outsold GTA.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 12:46PM Mr Khan said

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It did pass the million mark, though no-one seems to be reporting on it...

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:46PM Nekki said

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Yeah, for all the "disappointment" propaganda that seems to abound relating to this specific title... i think it has sold quite well.

When you think about it, scribblenauts is considered a big success as well and it has surpassed 1 million also.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 3:19PM Karate Tortoise said

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The difference between Scribblenauts and GTA:CW is that GTA took a lot longer to reach 1 million

chinatown wars didnt necessarily flop, it sold quite well, but it still sold a good deal below expectations
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:16PM One Stomy Night go watch it said

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We don't need mature titles on the DS; we need better third party ones.

No more damned strategy or RPG games. Focus on other genre. Hell, start whoring the text based adventure game genre. You can start by porting Last Window to the united states!


...and europe...but mostly here. DO IT! DO IT NAOW!

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:17PM StrikeFear13 said

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To be fair, it also accounts for 50% of the DS's M rated games.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:19PM raindog469 said

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It's easy to rationalize your poor sales using piracy when your platform is the PC. On the DS, though, it requires an additional hardware purchase, hardware that you can't find in normal retail stores or ebay, so you pretty much have to import it.

I'd love to hear exactly how many DS flash cartridges have been sold, and how many people have (like me) bought several to add capabilities (e.g. having both slot-1 and slot-2 carts in order to use the extra RAM for DSLinux.) I've never downloaded GTA:CW, so assuming a 1:1 conversion ratio if flash carts didn't exist would be way, way false. So I'm wondering exactly how many extra sales they thought they would get if only the spectre of piracy weren't there.

I've also never seen GTA:CW in a store to my recollection, so I'm thinking the bigger problem is that Wal-Mart, Target et al. correctly assume that most DS owners have no interest in touching the screen to murder a hooker, or whatever the core gameplay mechanic of this GTA may be.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:57PM Unvrfd said

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comment dump:
"Honestly I believe Take-Two. I was in some rom site's chat room around the time of Chinatown Wars' release and I swear a gazillion people must have been begging for the anti-piracy fix for CTW so that they could get the game to work on their R4. This game was heavily pirated for sure. 'Core' DS players pirate a shitload. You want to know why the vast majority of DS jrpgs, visual novels, etc. don't sell very well? Well, Take-Two is giving you the answer. Trust me on this. I lurk around those kind of sites (mainly because I have a flash card myself. lol) and from my experience, GTA CTW, niche games (particularly jrpgs but others as well), etc. are very popular with this crowd. Ace Attorney games are pirated to hell on these sites as well. When Ace Attorney Investigations was out, god knows how many people were constantly asking "is the game dumped yet?" or "where can I find a link? PLEASE" on these kind of sites.

The PSP gets a bad rap for piracy but the reality is that if you make 'core' games on the DS, it will get pirated to hell. Because the audience for 'core' DS games (males aged 12-34 or whatever it is. You know what I'm talking about) is tech-savvy and knows how to illicitly acquired DS roms for free, what they need to play those roms and how to get those roms to play on their DS."
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 4:01PM raindog469 said

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No doubt it's being pirated left and right, but I question whether the dozens of flash card owners in chat rooms and hundreds in web forums really amount to the hundreds of thousands to millions more they would have had to sell in order for it to be deemed a success. I don't think that many flash cards even exist in the wild, despite the industry's excuses.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 8:20PM chuckrich81 said

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My Walmart has had copies of Chinatown Wars for DS since it came out. So it's not some company wide decision not to carry it, must just be certain stores not carrying it.
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 1:54PM Unvrfd said

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Hey, the sales aren't THAT bad, they crossed a million recently: http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7658

Still doesn't compare to the download count though

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:01PM Diodax said

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A game doesn't need to be M to be good. I for one am more than happy with the sheer variety of strategy and RPGs on the DS that is kinda lacking on the consoles compared to last gen.

However, if you mostly like M-rated games... well, the DS isn't for you.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:30PM KingBroly said

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This was a triumph?

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:36PM Professor Lario said

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We can now add the incredible SMT: Strange Journey to that list.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:41PM Professor Lario said

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Sorry for the double post!
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 2:38PM Professor Lario said

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We can now add the incredible SMT: Strange Journey to that list.

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 3:10PM (Unverified) said

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And they were worried it wasn't selling enough?

Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 4:17PM (Unverified) said

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I don't think you are looking at the whole picture. GTA:CW did not sell a lot and it STILL is 50% of M rated sales on DS. If the game itself sold a substantial amount of copies I think R* would not have been shy about giving us a quantity instead of a comparison.

This basically says Chinatown sold well...for an M rated DS game
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Posted: Apr 2nd 2010 4:52PM HandheldAddictblogspotcom said

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I've never heard of Theresia. (the link indicates it might be an RPG? if so, not my cuppa)

I've never heard of C.O.R.E. (joystiq slags it in the link)

I've never been able to find Resident Evil: Deadly Silence anywhere.

Ultimate Mortal Combat isn't my cuppa.

Touch the Dead doesn't get high reviews, though I am curious about it.

And I hear great things about GTA:CW (strangely not on this board)

So almost half the M-rated DS titles I'd never even heard of before.

Posted: Apr 3rd 2010 11:26AM (Unverified) said

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I rented GTA:CW when it first came out, and it was o.k., but I have a hard time playing action games for long periods on the DS. I had the same problem with my GBA SP. Hand cramps, numbness, etc. That's why I rented the game and didn't buy it.

More than half of my DS games are turn-based because it's just not practical for me to buy a lot of fast-paced action games for DS. I'm in the target demographic, and I strongly suspect I'm not alone in having this issue.

I also have a flash cart, and I have still bought over 30 games for my DS. It's a huge pain to carry around a bag full of tiny, easily lost DS carts. When you can have all your games on one cart, why wouldn't you? Not everyone who owns a flash cart is a pirate.

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