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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:04PM KeegdnaB said

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A centralized online service for gaming with social networking elements?

I feel like I've seen this before, except we all know Apple is the most original and revolutionary company around. They would never steal an idea from say....Microsoft....never.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:07PM (Unverified) said

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And Microsoft never steals from say...Valve...never.

C'mon at this point a central online game service with achievements and friend lists is far from original but still a good idea.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:12PM Vidikron said

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@notworksafe

Live launched before Steam.

Anyway, a lot of these ideas have existed in one form or another for a while, but it's pretty obvious most people are emulating Live these days.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:15PM Granger said

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Why are we complaining that Apple is borrowing a tried and true standard? We should be complaining that Nintendo hasn't, and isn't showing any indication that it will in the near future.

But no, It's fine when Sony implements it (because it IS perfectly fine), in fact the PlayStation Network was lauded as one of the few right steps they took in the lead up to releasing the PS3. Hypocrites.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:18PM Dr Blight said

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PSN isn't a blatant Live ripoff. It follows a different model, where the game company provides the servers, plus a large portion are dedicated servers. Live is just a matchmaking hub.

This is a blatant ripoff. Maybe we're tired of hearing Apple PR claiming how innovative they are?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:19PM Vidikron said

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@Granger

I personally have no issues with Apple, or anyone else, emulating good ideas. It's just sort of hypocritical on the part of Apple because they constantly slam and sue countless other companies for doing the same.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:21PM Vidikron said

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@Dr. Blight

Now, come on, let's not pretend Sony isn't chasing Live here. Yes, underneath the match making works differently, but they're chasing the same end result. And you can't deny that things like Trophies weren't done in response to Live's achievements.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:23PM Vidikron said

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*Ugh.. double negative... that should say "were done".
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:28PM JamesHks said

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@blight
lol, 135 degree head turn results in ABXY layout.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:33PM Granger said

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Christ Blight, could you be any more deluded?

PSN is exactly the same as Xbox LIVE. It all boils down to the same functionality, the same extendability, the same . . . everything, and both services are all the better for it. Game Center is exactly the same as Xbox LIVE and PlayStation Network, and it will be all the better for it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Game Center, just as there is nothing wrong with Steam, PSN, or the new Battle.net. You're digging for the negatives, as per usual; You are Apple trolling, simple as that.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:38PM (Unverified) said

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your obviously too much of a microsoft fan. If you had half a non ms loving braincell in your body than you'd know that just because ms might have made the first popular one doesn't mean that no one else can have one, plus they never mentioned this being original in the keynote
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:38PM Dr Blight said

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They're different in the back end and the front end.

Live's store is built in. PlayStation Store is a separate app. Live costs money. PSN does not. Live uses Ballmer Fun Bucks. PSN uses common sense dollars (or local currency). PSN allows five different consoles to use downloaded content. Live allows one, and only one license transfer per year.

And again, PSN games traditionally follow a dedicated server model against a matchmade, P2P model.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:42PM Granger said

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Oh, damn, Blight you are totally right! I see now!

Game Center is free, LIVE is not. Game Center uses actual dollars, not space bucks. iTunes allows 5 different devices registered for DRM, not one.

It all makes sense . . . Game Center is ripping off PlayStation network, quick spin this into a negative now too, find something more to complain about, keep digging for BS, you'll bury Game Center and Apple soon. Sarcasm tags are for chumps.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:50PM Dr Blight said

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I'm saying stop acting like Apple is this great innovative consumer friendly company. They're nothing more than greedy patent trolls who aim to stifle innovation through baseless lawsuits, limited hardware, and the "Apple Ecosystem".

If you need proof of how utterly deluded Apple Fanboys are, you should know that many of them were saying how iAds made iPhone 'better' than Android or WinMo.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:59PM Granger said

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"I'm saying stop acting like Apple is this great innovative consumer friendly company"

This entire thread is devoid of anyone saying anything of the sort, just because I'm not reacting negatively to Game Center doesn't mean I think it's innovative. In fact I think it's quite standard fare. You're the one making a big deal sweetheart, over 'innovation' I mean.

"If you need proof of how utterly deluded Apple Fanboys are, you should know that many of them were saying how iAds made iPhone 'better' than Android or WinMo."

I don't think anyone here has been saying that, at least not in this thread. Another fact: I think iAds are absolutely awful. So please, leave that shit for Engadget. Apple is just another company. If you blindly hate them or blindly love them it doesn't matter, it's all the same and it absolutely doesn't affect their business.

Keeping things in a grey area is fun, not everything has to boil down to fanboy or being a massive trolling bastion of negativity.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:24PM Dr Blight said

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http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/08/apple-game-center-is-basically-xbox-live-for-your-iphone/comments/26955688/

Yeah, that certainly makes it seem like you think it's 'standard fare'.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:30PM KeegdnaB said

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The fact of the matter is, companies rip each other off all the time. It's really not a big deal and if anything makes the world a better place.

What IS a big deal though is the air of hypocrisy that surrounds Apple when it happens in either direction. They'll take someone else's idea and claim it's their own super amazing totally original idea or someone else will take an idea of theirs and they'll bring out ridiculously frivolous patent lawsuits. If they didn't make people believe that they're they only company in the industry who innovates, they wouldn't sell half the iProducts they do.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:41PM Granger said

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Standard fare as far as innovation is concerned, yes of course, is that not what we were discussing? Cool =/= Innovative.

You're just bitter because you're one of the negative Neds and/or Nancys I was referencing, you know it, I know it, it's alright.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:05PM Maulok said

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I usually disable the Openfeint features in games. I don't play my iPhone games to get achievements and leaderboard high scores, I play them to pass time in the john.

Did I over-share?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:07PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I still don't understand. So Apple can integrate Live into their iPhones, yet we still aren't allowed to listen to purchased itunes songs through the Xbox. Makes no sense.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:07PM Dr Blight said

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That's because it's not Live. It's a poorly disguised Live ripoff.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:08PM KeegdnaB said

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This isn't Xbox Live...it's their own copycat service.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:10PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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I understand it's a copycat but it's still utilizing features. I just find it ridiculous that we can't listen to purchased songs because Apple is a bunch of jerks. I have to buy my itunes songs, then pirate copies of them just so I can stream them to my xbox
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:12PM Dr Blight said

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Not pirating. All iTunes songs are now DRM free, so you own them.

And it's not like the DRM was hard to crack. Burn that sucker to a CD and done.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:14PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Well I mean I have to go torrent these songs. I don't bother with CDs anymore. It's easier to just stream them from my PC or plug in my iPod. I purchase a song, I should be able to utilize it however I want. Not be restricted by Apple because they don't want the Xbox supporting it. I know there are methods around it but what I want to do, I can't.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:16PM Dr Blight said

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Ah, okay.

Yeah, it's going to be a royal pain when I ditch my iPod for a different music player converting all those tracks.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:17PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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What new music player are you looking into?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:18PM Dr Blight said

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Walkman X series or a Zune HD.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:21PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Yeah sony's X series looks nice. I'd probably go with the Zune myself if I had to pick between the two.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:48PM pfox said

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I have a Zune HD and I LOVE it. I'd recommend it to anyone if you love music and like haveing a lot of options for video and music formats. The actually recently added Xvid and Dvix suport.

Plus, 64GB just launched so there's that.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:53PM Granger said

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There's still those tasty rumours about a Zune HD 2 though, incorporation WP7 OS in a similar capacity as the iPod Touch does the iPhone OS.

That's certainly worth holding out for IMO. It's one of two reasons I haven't jumped on the Zune HD ownership programme, which I'm absolutely dying to do - Zune HD is very slick in all regards. WP7 would make it king.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 4:15PM (Unverified) said

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Ewwww, Pus+
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:31PM pangit said

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apple copied this, apple copied that.. blah blah blah. lets not play that blame game, its dumb. companies take all sorts of "ideas" from others, get over it.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:35PM Dr Blight said

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Other companies don't sue constantly.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:46PM pangit said

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so you're getting mad at a company that wants to protect its assets? whether the suit was right or wrong, thats for the courts to decide.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:44PM pangit said

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so you're getting mad at a company that wants to protect its assets? whether the suit was right or wrong, thats for the courts to decide.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:46PM pangit said

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... horrible.
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 5:46PM Dr Blight said

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Suing HTC over things that shouldn't have even been granted a patent?
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Posted: Apr 9th 2010 6:01PM pangit said

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i dont understand. so you're mad that apple was granted that patent (whatever it is) in the first place?
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Posted: Apr 21st 2010 7:42PM (Unverified) said

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This is definitely a big move by Apple. Game Center is going to streamline the user experience significantly, which is always beneficial in building a platform. Social communities such as OpenFeint and Plus+ seemed to be mentioned alongside this Apple announcement due to the redundancy of many of their services, but it seems like the major aspect of "Xbox Live for the iPhone" is being ignored: Multiplayer.

While Z2Live offers many advanced community tools even beyond what Game Center will, we've also put heavy emphasis into the multiplayer arena; an area that has been historically ignored by other game communities in the iPhone space. Looking back at the progression of PC and console gaming, we can see that the gravitational pull away from solely single player experiences towards multiplayer is inevitable. While Apple has been a little vague on the extent of their multiplayer involvement, our SDK and backend services are allowing developers to build real-time game sessions today, host them on our servers, and engage in voice chat from device-to-device.

For those developers anxious to check out how multiplayer can change their strategy for gamebuilding, check out z2live.com and play around with the SDK.
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Posted: Apr 23rd 2010 8:47AM (Unverified) said

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I'm not going anywhere until Apple makes their own FPS.
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