Sega says statements about abandoning Wii core were 'erroneous'

...however they are still planning on abandoning it.

wii only needs one hardcore title

and that's monster hunter

aw you guys are fast

Sometimes it seems like hardcore = quality, and casual = sucky.. Do developers think casual gamers don't care about quality? There are some exceptions, mainly with the Nintendo brand on them, but I would encourage Sega to make whatever it wants for the Wii, just please make it good and something you can play and enjoy for more than a couple weeks.

Releasing one okay FPS, which was quickly ruined by hackers, a short beat 'em up in black and white (Everyone I know refuses to get the game due to t being black and white) and a glitchy Rail Shooter is not doing your best.

With Sega's current development staff, that's their best.

None of those were made by SEGA anyway, just their publishing arm

Stuff that Sega's made internally for the Wii has been rather successful, with the sad exception of NiGHTS 2.

Figured they would have to say that, whether they did say those things or the media just blew them up (equally likely. The media loves flamebait), they probably got a stern talking to from Tokyo

"it's not your fault that the relationship didn't work out. "

Yeah it is.

Yes, because Nintendo is ultra-supportive of their third parties and doesn't treat them like stepchildren...

Yes because Nintendo is the only business to look out for their interests.. Sony and Microsoft never do that. They're just in it for the street cred from cool kids like you Blight.

Successful, maybe, but I felt like the Wii's monkey balls were not as good as the gamecube ones.. And I have no love for my copy of Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games... Neither of these games were totally horrible, but I felt like Sega was making much nicer stuff on the Gamecube...and of course, excellent stuff on the Dreamcast.

I just realized I said the Wii had monkey balls. :-o

Khan, publishers have a lot to say on what gets made into the final cut of a game and what it'll look like.
Granted I own all three said titles the last two, in my eyes, were good games. OVERKILL being the best.

Most hardcore gamers don't like games like Madworld. A lot of them were pretty sick of these 3D action-adventure games when they started flooding the market 10 years ago, and everybody is sick of bloated games stretched to a crawling pace because the publishers don't have the balls to make a game so good that they aren't afraid everyone will sell it as soon as they play through it once.

Writing off hardcore Wii gamers because Madworld, the Conduit, and Headstrong's House of the Dead didn't sell very well is stupider than saying motion controls will never be fun just because nobody has made a fun motion-controlled game yet.

All Sega needs to do is make dense, high-quality games the way they consistently did throughout the 80's and 90's. They have to do stop outsourcing classic franchises to companies like Sumo Digital, stop putting wonky motion controls in the games, and stop making bloated games with levels over ten minutes long. If any company actually tried to make games as good as Yakuza and Valkyria Chronicles on the Wii, they would successfully sell to hardcore Wii owners.

Gunblade NY is a promising start.

" Releasing one okay FPS, which was quickly ruined by hackers, a short beat 'em up in black and white (Everyone I know refuses to get the game due to t being black and white) and a glitchy Rail Shooter is not doing your best."

Do you ever run out of excuses? Its never the fan bases fault.

The abandonment of the typical demographic for video games happened. The statements are refutable.

"SEGA, it's not your fault"

"Do you ever run out of excuses? Its never the fan bases fault."

Ok so if a product doesn't sell its the customers fault is it?

Were do you guys pick this stuff up at? Really.

If you read my other comment I own all three. MadWorld? Was consumer and developer. Consumers don't like black and white anymore, devs should've known that (but they're not bitching about poor sales, Sega is). Conduit? Hackers ruined the online MP, which was what made it okay. The story was flat out BAD. And it started out as good untill you realised the game's story and level design were both very shallow. Once again Dev and Consumers/hackers. House of the Dead? The game would constantly lock up and stop moving for a good 3 minutes at random times. Models would load wrong, guns wouldn't properly reload, and other stuff. That's purely on the developers for letting such glitches exist.
Now, here's a hidden thing, these are also all publisher faults!
Conduit? Sega could've said to redo the levels, despite HVS going to them with the game 85% done, and fund the levels, as publishers should do.
MadWorld? They could've demanded the game go into color, or sell it on two discs, color and non-color. (Sakura Wars does this but with Jap and English discs. So both markets would be pleased, those who wanted the game in Jap and those who wanted it in English could choose their disc of choice). House of the Dead? they funded that project from the start. It's their fault that such a glitchy game made it through their approval to be sold process.

As you see it's on everyone here, except OVERKILL. Which was an amazing game, when it wasn't glitching out.

if the customers continually ask for it and when they get it, they dont support it then yes

"if the customers continually ask for it and when they get it, they dont support it then yes"

What is "it"?

I know from games I buy I want quality and to be entertained. Is that what you mean by "it"?

Most people I know were going to buy OVERKILL untill they tried it out at my place and saw how glitchy it was. Same thing with MadWorld untill they saw how repatitive it was, and that it was in black and white. With Conduit most people liked it untill they saw the third stage. To them that was the decline, same for me.

However I will pick up sequels to all of these games to give them a second chance.
Just like when I get th emoney I'll get RedSteel 2, despite RedSteel 1 being GOD AWFUL.Most people I know wont give RS2 a chance due to how bad the orignal was.

"it" is hardcore wii games, which wii owners continually ask for but then dont buy them.

""it" is hardcore wii games, which wii owners continually ask for but then dont buy them."

So something like the Conduit is Hardcore and something like Smash bros is what?... Quality?

I can live with that. Less Hardcore games more quality.

It doesn't help that these games are filled with the problems I listed above and by word of mouth that ruined the sales. Along with low advertisement (except Conduit) doesn't help. Untill I started to talk about these games none of my friends knew they existed, and even people I meet now don't either.

I can't figure SEGA out anymore.

How about just releasing a full retail Team Sonic developed Sonic title in 2D. IN ACTUAL 2D. Not this abomination SEGA has allowed Dimps to develop for PSN and LIVE Arcade. I want some highly stylized hand drawn backgrounds and characters, with animation for each action in its 2D world. Also really catchy music for each level in the game.

Moar HotD:Overkill pleasethankyou.

@Aquacharger:
"House of the Dead? The game would constantly lock up and stop moving for a good 3 minutes at random times. Models would load wrong, guns wouldn't properly reload, and other stuff"

I've never experienced any of that in all the time I've put into the game. I've experienced the occasional slowdown when the camera quickly shifts around, but I've heard that can be fixed if you go the homebrew route and run it off a USB HDD. I'm just too lazy to do that.

The dirth of these ultra niche titles for teh hardcore are just that, ultra niche titles that would find a small following no matter what platform they were on.

I tried to support these titles on Wii, now I have no interest.

Two words, SEGA: Sakura Taisen.

It's arguably the MOST hardcore SEGA title NOT named Sonic that's STILL [mostly] Japan-only.

Everytime I play it'll freeze up for a good 3 minutes then go back to moving. I'll just sit there and wait for the rails to move. I had gotten two copiesof the game and both did it.

It seems like all decent wii games earn profit (and the bad ones are so cheap that they probably profit too) so it wouldn't make sense to stop producing games for it.

@Aquacharger - My copy of HOtD Overkill is glitchy as hell. I've never heard anybody else complain, so I thought it was just my copy. Glitching is not something that is very welcome in a game that depends on accuracy.

That...and the end...I mean, I get it...I have a good sense of humor and can appreciate most things over-the-top, but it was like they had a think tank where the designers had a competition where they could come up with the most bizarrely nasty concept they could think of. It was just...unnerving - and I've seen some f*cked up things (2g 1c, 1g 1j, and 1m 1h come to mind).