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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 2:39PM Temidien said

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Anyone else relish the irony that Microsoft is citing Apple as a legal defense?
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 2:59PM AramanTSG said

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Relish? No, only fanboys relish something like that. I do find it humorous though!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:41PM Temidien said

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I was relishing the irony, not Microsoft or Apple. I guess I'm an irony fanboy :D
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 9:03PM JCDoe said

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Irony relish is always good. Especially with mustard.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 2:40PM Softserve said

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At this point I suppose it's principle. If they give this one up, they'll have to deal with it again later... plus there's always damages.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 5:39PM SirUrza said

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Indeed. Microsoft is trying to protect their harddrive choak hold. If this gets by another computer could come up with a third party compatible harddrive.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 7:00PM KingOfGods said

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This is about Licensing fees. MS' partners who took the time to License branding for their peripherals will now second guess MS. Since 1 company can be allowed to bypass the licensing requirement, the other licensing partners will now wonder why they have to pay and MS will lose a lot of money
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 2:41PM ArtificeDrake formerly known as said

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Did you purposefully type, "The company back upped its case," or is that a typo?

I'm seriously curious...
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:05PM Jerk Face said

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I seriously had an aneurysm when I read that. Heh.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 5:49PM ShadowOp said

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twas awkward to read... I actually had to re-read it. I back upped- Ok this is just going overboard.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 2:45PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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If the whole consoles only working on certain TV thing happened, companies as well as consumers would be screwed. It's pretty far fetched, I know. Though that would be entirely unjust.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:10PM Phenomenology AkA Sixx Brother t said

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All your accessories are now belong to us!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:07PM Morisato13 said

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I never saw a TV as an accessory to a gaming console... I can see a gaming console being an accessory to a TV though.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:11PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Could you imagine buying a Microsoft made TV or something, if this sort of thing happened? A TV valued at $600 would cost $2000 with MS's name on it.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:26PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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In all honesty, your description of how it would be is far more probable, hahaha.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:29PM Jet said

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@Spike And would make it so that PS3's and Wii's don't work on it.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:31PM Spike Spiegel Humble Bounty Hun said

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Unless they released a proprietary cable that costs $150 to utilize the PS3 and Wii on it. It'd be a rip off just like Monster Cables!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:04PM kmcroc said

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Screw Datel, their stuff is garbage. MS do us all a favor & nail this shit company coffin already.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:35PM technoKyle said

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A little harsh, isn't it?
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:05PM kmcroc said

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So if i make a console,am i not allowed to be the only maker of its accessories or must i allow other companies to make items so as to ride my gravy train of success.
that would be like BMW allowing GM to make parts or accessories for BMW.if that is not allowed why is MS being sued for this same practices.anyone have a realistic reason to why they can't be the only company to make accessories for thier product.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:13PM Softserve said

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I could put aftermarket parts in my BMW without much concern, though. BMW isn't going to go after those guys and make the parts stop functioning.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:17PM AcidBurnISU said

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Gm Could make parts for a BMW. There is a reason that there are "after market parts" for cars....

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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:12PM NyttyN said

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"The antitrust case claims that by locking out Datel's Max Memory Card with a firmware update, Microsoft used its status as the platform holder to unlawfully prevent competition."
They made, and produce, the damn thing. They have a patent on it.
How the hell is preventing other people from profiteering off of it "unlawful"?
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:22PM NyttyN said

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Also, why was this not dismissed? The judge needs to be fired for incompetence.
Oh and:"On November 23, 2009 Datel sued Microsoft for antitrust violations. Microsoft responded with a motion to dismiss, claiming that because of a provision in a section entitled "Additional Terms and Conditions" buried in the product warranty, consumers agreed at the time of their Xbox purchase that they would not use unauthorized accessories.

In its 31-page ruling, the Court rejected this argument, finding that those terms and conditions were at best ambiguous and did not support Microsoft's contention. Indeed, if Microsoft's reading were accepted, it would be impermissible to use the Xbox with a variety of accessories not manufactured by Microsoft, including televisions and music players. The Court rejected Microsoft's reliance on Apple v. Psytar , in which Apple succeeded in dismissing antitrust claims based on a provision in the Mac OS user license restricting the use of the software to Apple computers. Unlike that case, here there is no clearly binding contractual restriction and it is not possible for a consumer to forecast all of his or her accessory needs at the time of the initial purchase."
So basically, what they are saying here, as they are A O.K. with this as long as Microsoft makes it so you can only use Microsoft endorsed TVs, music players, etc. and that because customers are idiots, the Terms of Use should not apply in this case? I mean sure, they MAY have a point with the whole " there is no clearly binding contractual restriction" thing, but still.

Who the hell hired this court?


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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:24PM WiNGSPANTT from TopTierTacticsco said

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Because of what was ruled in this case.

What if MS said "You can't use the 360 on Sony TVs unless you pay us a fee"?

What if your cereal was designed to taste bad if you soaked it in unapproved brands of milk?

What if your shirt burst into flames when you wore it with pants that didn't match?

You buy a product to do what it's supposed to do. Letting companies decide how your life around that product goes is stepping over the line.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:27PM Covarr said

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Assuming Datel's products do not infringe on any MS patents, they have every right to sell them. MS is intentionally breaking another company's product that they paid for, to unfairly eliminate competition. The laws are there.

If MS had more clearly stated their terms (specifically disallowing third party memcards for example) and included this authentication from the start, they'd be doing nothing wrong. Or they could have created and patented a new interface or plug for memory cards, so that the clones themselves would be illegal.

Basically, there were plenty of LEGAL ways of preventing competition. The specific method they used, however, was not.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:21PM CyberKnight said

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And by the time this is all done, it'll be completely irrelevant, as not only will the 360 take any brand of USB memory device, but the Slim will be released that won't even have a proprietary MU slot.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:25PM CyberKnight said

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On second thought, on the off chance that this somehow opens up the path for reasonably-priced third-party hard drives, then I guess I'll root for Datel.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:42PM Mouthsmasher said

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I was kind of thinking something along the same lines. With the new ability to use any USB drive for storage, shouldn't Datel have more to worry about? If sounds like they're crying, "Microsoft won't let us use a soon (already?) to be obsolete memory unit on their Xbox!"

On the other hand, I don't see why Microsoft doesn't just permit the 3rd party memory cards for the same reason Datel should stop complaining: We don't need them anymore.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:01PM Nintendo Tim said

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Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:16PM KobaltKode said

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As much as I don't care for Datel, I see why they are fighting this. It has nothing to do with this device as much as it does have everything to do with setting a legal precedent for the future...It's make or break! If they win this they can quote the precedent whenever Microsoft tries to fight their peripherals, until a new system with a more specific agreement comes out.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:25PM Nick Spacek said

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Is there any limit on a Memory Card's maximum size though? That would mean that there would be plenty of demand for another Datel product that allowed the use of any USB Mass Storage Device as a "Memory Card", since it would get around the 16GB limit.

I would be interested in that. Especially since, if there is no limit on Memory Card's size and Datel wins, they will probably remove the artificial 16GB limit. Could be the end of the 360 harddrive monopoly!
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:27PM majg said

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Man, if Datel wins.. that could possibly lead to the floodgates opening for additional hacking, cheating, mods etc..
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:39PM CyberKnight said

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No more than they already were. Hardware solutions for connecting hard drives and MUs to PCs have been available since about the time the 360 came out, and with the USB storage support, it's even more of a non-issue. All that's needed is the software to read the files, which is already out there.

These Datel devices are not the cause of modding or piracy, and blocking them has nothing to do with it.

Keeping Microsoft from having to deal with substandard components connecting to their consoles? Perhaps. Protecting their revenue stream for accessories and licensing? More likely. Stopping modding and piracy? Not fooling anyone.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 3:37PM kmcroc said

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Come on MS put that billions of dollar checkbook to work.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:05PM (Unverified) said

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"Backed up" is the proper usage, I believe.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:07PM KobaltKode said

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Does no one else notice that the wording is a little funny? "Unauthorized peripherals" what does that equate to? I think that sounds pretty vague. Is there a clearly devised means to determining what is authorized in that clause, aside from it being labeled Microsoft? Is it fair to give them the right to block anything that they deem unauthorized after the consumer buys it think that it is legal/authorized? I can understand if they outlined a way for the consumer to determine what is and is not authorized in the agreement...Other than that, it feels a little fishy to me.

This reminds me of Sony removing the other OS option a couple updates ago. It was a promised feature and they aren't being punished one bit for removing it. I think it's scary that they have that much control over it with such vague legal agreements.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:29PM kmcroc said

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So if i make a console,am i not allowed to be the only maker of its accessories or must i allow other companies to make items so as to ride my gravy train of success
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 4:45PM wcarnation said

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It is nice to see Microsoft finally get checked on all the horse crud they pull non-stop.
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 6:00PM (Unverified) said

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"Back upped"? Seriously? You are professional journalists and editors working for Joystiq (I'm assuming), paid to write/edit, and you are going to use "back upped" instead of the proper "backed up"?

I know, not the topic of the post, but such elementary school mistakes make it hard to take you seriously
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Posted: Apr 26th 2010 8:07PM likedamaster said

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Doesn't justify Datel to bypass Microsoft security to make their products work.
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Posted: Apr 27th 2010 5:39AM Vhayste said

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Sorry but I think MS is the dick here. They should have enabled that feature ever since.
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