Bungie: We had to break through Infinity Ward 'noise' for Activision news

by Justin McElroy on Apr 29th 2010 7:40PM

Though many have speculated that today's Bungie-Activision partnership announcement was timed to help distract from the ongoing exodus from Activision darling Infinity Ward, the Halo dev insists that wasn't the case. In fact, Bungie's Joseph Staten said the developer was more concerned with the effect the Infinity Ward news could have on Bungie's own announcement.

"Just speaking personally, it gave us a little bit of pause because we're so excited about this news and we knew we'd have to break through a lot of noise to get the message out there," Staten said in an interview with Joystiq today. "So, clearly that wasn't optimal."

Bungie community lead Brian Jarrard later insisted that the Infinity Ward situation wasn't addressed during the developer's meetings with Activision ... Really, guys? That didn't come up? Not even while you were waiting for your Bloomin' Onion or anything? Like, what did you talk about?

Tags: activision, bloomin-onion, bungie, bungivision, infinity-ward, Microsoft, Xbox-360

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great. make an awesome game bungie.

just don't expect a bonus.

Suuuuurrreee :: WINK WINK:: .....and Halo 2 was better than Halo: CE too.....right Bungie?!? ::WINK WINK::

Well, the Reach beta is awesome, so I expect nothing less from them in the future.

Insightful.

they are too busy counting the money to hear or see anything else.. :P

As they should be... better then listening to a handful of forum dwellers who shoot from the emotional hip and try to give out business advise.

I don't think it's just some forum users disappointed here. Bungie is excited to get a big deal, sure that's fair- but they mistakenly think that gamers would be excited as well when many of us see activision as dangerous. I think we all have a basis for being concerned.

Why would I be excited about who they signed with unless it was me?

You mean, they're too busy creating a game that will own the lives of a massive amount of people this Fall? Your accent is funny.

@abelpc

/replyfail

so you are going to the darkside too? Why am I a fail? I see how Bungie has signed a deal with Satan.. I don't like it.. That is Fail to me.

@Trey

/lifefail

I see I was misinterpreted. I replied to myself to show that my original statement was towards abelpc and that I--not him--/replyfailed.

Oh yeah, Bungie is dead now.

Also, there's a good reason you had to work through all the IW noise. It's called you are the Booty-call to Activision, they just callin ya up cause of Infinity Ward. Sure you've been in the deal for close to a year, but you have to wonder how long Activision has been plannin on kicking out the heads, or why nothing has been really mentioned about said deal (when normally this kind of thing would get out rather easily).

Really? Bungie is dead? While I dislike Activision and Bobby Kotick, this is a publishing partnership. Bungie remains an independent studio and continues to own the IPs they create. This is far more like the Respawn/EA deal than the Infinity Ward/Activision deal, and I don't see too much to complain about.

True, but at the same time, Blizzard was also an "independent" developer, and now look whats happening. The game is considered a risk-factor, despite the game being pretty much the legal equivalent of a money-printing operation (it made between 2-3 million in less than 3-4hrs after announcing a rip-off 25$ mount).

I'm also quite sure that, at first, IW was in just a similar sort of "deal", then again, IW also joined during the time where EA was the big devil of gaming, and Activision actually dealt with good games.

Kinda jumping the gun without looking at the full details of the deal. From the sound of it, Bungie has complete control over everything. They are not owned by Activision (like Infinity Ward was) and they own their new IP, something that Infinity Ward did not. As far as it looks, this is simply nothing more than a publishing deal, and from the way things sound, it may also ONLY apply to this upcoming new IP, anything else they might create during the next 10 years may not be published by Activision.

Bungie's not dumb, after all the success they have had, there is no way they would trade that and their power as a large independent company to be owned by one of the major Publishers.

Really? That's all you have for "now look what's happening"? The only disparaging thing you can say is Activision acknowledged the possibility of WoW losing customers? Blizzard still is for all intents and purposes, Mike Morhaime just said like a month back the only time they're reminded they're part of activision is when they fill out employee surveys. If you want to accuse Activision of making Bungie charge for the Celestial Steed, fine, go right ahead, but even if Blizzard wasn't already charging for services before they were bought, that's not even a big deal at all. They didn't take the mount out of boss' loot tables and make it only purchasable, and they aren't selling actual raid gear. Activision might be big and bad, but it only makes them look better when you make such inaccurate accusations

Ouch, Batman, I didn't know Bungie made the Celestial Steed... =P

A month back was before the major restructuring in Activision-Blizzard, and during said restructuring, the Blizzard division (thats all it is now) was also affected. Go ahead and keep re-assuring yourself that Blizz is independent. Kottick has already said he aims to take whatever fun there is in developing games out of their cycle, and it goes for all the studios that serves under him, and yes that means Blizzard.

Yes I may be a pessimist, but rather that than some dream-chasing optimist when it comes to Activision. The Activision-Blizzard store is proof enough of Kottick's involvement with the game.

Can you honestly tell me that the Celestial Steed (which has been in the game files for a long while) might not of been part of a boss table? Think about it. Most every end-raid boss on heroic difficulty (for every tier) had a raiding mount. Alganon is the sole one who didn't. Coincidentally, the mount is composed of constellations and stars and all that, just like most every piece of loot that comes from him. They may not of designed it to be a cash-shop item, but they sure as hell could of forced them to hold off on it.

And yes, even before the merger Blizzard sold SERVICES, not items. For the love of god, the ignorant masses need to get a clue between the two. Server changes, race changes, all of that requires a bit more than a code you can redeem. They have to migrate data between separate server clusters, make sure everything is intact, and if needed, make sure that every parallel achievement and rep is all in order.

I can't believe this, how did you get voted up? Everything you said was just baseless fear mongering! Kotick didn't say he's going to systematically tear apart all his studios until there's no fun anymore. What he said was "The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games." There's a big difference between that and what you claimed. What exactly did you claim? Can you show me any specific alterations that they made to Blizzard? Any employees fired, any cubicle toys destroyed? Because like the rest of your post, that seems to be completely unsupported paranoia.

I don't have to provide a clearer example of your bullshit further than "The Activision blizzard store". There is no Activision Blizzard store, it's still just the blizzard store, like it has for years and years before they were acquired by Activision. But hey you're probably right, the only reason a software company would have an online store to sell their games and merchandise is because they've been taken over by some evil CEO right? Kotick is just one guy, and if you've ever worked in the top levels of a business you'd now that they really don't get this deeply involved into things. Chances are, the Celestial Steed decision was made by a Blizzard employee and not a decree from on high.

Again, absolutely ungrounded paranoia. No, i can't honestly tell you that, I don't work at Blizzard. What I can tell you is that the Celestial Steed went on sale just about a year after Algalon was released as a raid, so if it was ever part of his loot table, they probably would have started selling it then, or at least after his first heroic mode defeat which was also many months ago.

Thank you for just not even trying anymore and calling me and everyone who disagrees with you a member of the ignorant masses. Just because the company has to put some effort into the service means it's totally okay to ridiculously overcharge and couldn't possibly have been Activisions doing. Server transfers, okay, maybe they do take a lot of work, yeah probably 25 dollars worth. But what about character recreation? I don't even mean faction transfers, I mean like they advertise on the site how you can make a male draenei into a night elf or something and so on. Is that so technically intensive to be only the same price as an admittedly demanding server transfer?

Okay, seriously man, just chill.

And no, it is the Activision-Blizzard store. That has been the official name of the company since their merger around the time Lich King launched. Also, the store was released about late 2009, much later than the merger and release of the Lich King expansion. It came with two $10 pets.

As for the character thing you brought up, I included that, its the Race Change function. They have to ensure that all the reputations and quests are or aren't altered accordingly.

And, I didn't call you and everyone who disagrees "The Ignorant Masses". I'm calling those who can not see the difference between the account services, and the actual Acti-Blizz Store ignorant (its essentially an Item Mall).

You really seem to be taking this at a personal level. You're exaggerating and stretching the things I have been saying. I didn't say he was going to systematically tear the studios apart, I said he aimed to remove fun from the cycle of game development from all of his studios, and that can easily include Blizzard. With the last restructuring, they placed someone into one of the higher-up positions of Blizzard that reports directly to Kottick.

It's also quite easy to assume the steed wasn't released early because they felt like testing the waters first using the pets they released first, monitoring feedback and the like before releasing said mount. Also, Alganon didn't have a heroic mode, he IS heroic mode, seeing that you only have 1 hour once the door opens to beat him, and requires you kill the 4 watchers in their respective hard-modes to get parts of the key for his room...

Now, as you have said, neither of us work for Acti-Blizz. Neither of us knows exactly what goes on, or happens all the time, during the company. Mine and yours are both opinions, they just seem to be on the two opposites of the extreme almost.
You believe that, as Blizzard said years ago during and after the merger, that they remained untouched, and continue that way to this day.
I believe that, like every other studio within Activision, they are being pushed and prodded to try and improve WoW's risky position. If needed, they WILL take action accordingly and outright monetize WoW completely, or fire Blizzard's head devs and put people in that will.

Why do I think that Blizzard is being affected by Activision? Anyone whose played the game (and isn't mindless subservient to it) could clearly notice there has been a lack of quality overall in the game and its patches.
That might be because the engine is so old, and the code so expansive, that its like putting a highly unstable bottle of nitroglycerin on an unbalanced rock on some spike, with a cannibal and a fat guy running around on top. Or, it could also be that Blizzard has been forced to rush out patches, while also gating content as much as possible to ensure people stay subbed as long as can be.

Hell, the Lich King encounter can be a good example of either or even both. There was a massive glitch that got through with it that if anything explosive hits the ground, the fight becomes 500% easier. A glitch that, if they allowed ANY testing on it, would of been knocked out as one of the first.

Being a PS3 owner I hope that their next game goes multi-platform and is really kickass.The last game I played by them was HALO:CE for PC so I have not experienced there awesomeness for some time now. I hope that there new IP is freakin amazing

Of COURSE Activision didn't bring it up. That's like if you eat with a friend at a restaurant and your friend tells you how he got really sick last time he came. You might say, hey, before we order food, let's just go somewhere else.

By the way, I thought it was really cute that Bungie thinks that they'll have complete control of their IP. If they paid attention to Infinity Ward's noise, you'd think they'd reconsider.

Kotick: "So Bungie ... I noticed that your big game with Microsoft managed to sell over 25 million units so far ... now that we're partners you think you can do something like that for us?

Staten: "Well we actually wanted to start something new and fresh, we've been doing Halo for so long that its really great we have this new opportunity to start something creative and new"

Kotick: "Yeah about that ... I think it would be best if you guys do something like a perfect marriage between Halo and Call of Duty and see where it takes us"

Staten: "Um ... I don't think we ...

Kotick: "Come on Staten you want this shirt to start well you better gave me something that can is prestigious enough to have itself on an energy drink cover"

Staten: " You do realize that we are indepen..

Kotick" Oh shut up with that shit you don't want to be another Infinity Ward do you?"

Staten " uuuuuhhh..."

Kotick: *Pulls whip* " NAOW MAK ME SOME MONIES"

hahaha. I nearly spit out my drink. Good form young chap

Funniest thing I've read all day.

Yeah Bungie, just step over the dead body that was IW employees' hopes and dreams and come get your bag of dirty money.

Bungie = vidya game equivalent of an uncle tom.

RACIST!!!!!

I am sure you can find happiness in slavery.

"Remember...no Red vs. Blue."

Red VS Blue isn't that good at first it was OMG THIS IS SO FUNNY ! and then by 4th season it was like. ugh .... what i can't believe i liked this crap ( bad enough i bought some Merch from their stores )

don't even get me started on how big of a fan boys they are with Microsoft it seems everything they said when PS3 just started till just before PS3 got trophies was all negative stuff.... i wouldn't mind them if they said yea PS3 is going through hard times and tho some games look interesting too play and such they come right out blasting the console and games nothing was good mention about it till Gus ( aka Simmons on RVB ) said Singstar was quite fun as him and his wife played it but that was really the only good thing ever mentioned about PS3 and the games which was sad i couldn't take the childish crap their so i left their website.

if i went back i doubt anything changed. last i heard they were thinking on doing trophy walk through for the video games solely on PS3 ( Exclusive titles ) but they never followed up on it probably cause alot of Fanboys demanded they stick with the 360 .. i would have loved too see them branch.

also when uncharted 2 came out i Asked Matt Hullum ( aka Sarge ) if he saw the Michinima tools built into the game Uncharted 2 and if he and the other guys thought if this could be a start of in game machinima tools in future games and if they were willing to play around with the stuff and home much different is it from their machinima tools and such with Halo. as i know nothing about this stuff i was awaiting his answer too see what he had too say... his answer ? ........... yup nothing no reply .. no responce even tho they do get alot of messages my message was on top in his comments page that all he had too do was look at his page too see it when he was online when i sent him the message.

Ugh...... I dunno if anyone remembers a game called stubbs the zombie but it wasn't that good and bungie did it. .... now for a Marathon remake please thanx bungievision

No, they didn't. It just used the Halo engine, because one of Halo's creators formed the studio that developed it. Mistakes like these are one of the main reasons that Bungie didn't want to license out the engine.

Y'know Bungie, EA would've taken ya in also.

wow, 2 posts with the same content, must be a slow news day

There's got to be some epic tea bagging going on at Activision central as we speak.

Kotick gets first smack with the new recruits.

If I were Microsoft, I'd call up Respawn and try to complete the circle.

Or, wait, maybe Respawn should buy Microsoft. Now we got a circle goin'!

This shows how people don't understand how business works. Bungie had this in the works long before (they had something signed in March which means they were shopping publishers well before).

If Activision really cared about the bad press they are making with IW, maybe they wouldn't have taken the steps that created said press in the first place? Bungie and IW are unrelated.

Hm. Well. I think Microsoft was right. Their relationship with Bungie will remain the same. It could have an effect on PlayStation 3 gamers, but its going to be the crack of a popper you give a little 5 year-old on the 4th of July. What do I mean by this?

Microsoft and Bungie have been together for quite some time. When you first look at the Xbox 360, what first comes to mind. Its going to be one of two things. Halo or First Person Shooters. Gamers don't look at the PlayStation 3 that way. Sony has developed an image of much more as they've been around for three console generations. Bungie is going to have a pull a semi out of their crack-hole and still remain alive to impress the PlayStation community. Because frankly, we've been able to live without Master Chief and the mass of FPS games that are all alike for this many years. If we would have even cared in the slightest, we would have gone out and bought and Xbox 360 long ago. But we don't care. When they announced Bungie was joining Activision, SURE! The PlayStation community clapped their hands loudly, not because we were getting Bungie games, but because Microsoft had lost some heavy muscle that kept the neive gamers that don't know what gaming diversity is. Microsoft has only one developer really to fall back on that remains heavily loyal to them as Rare hasn't been able to develop jack since the Nintendo 64. Microsoft has only to rely on.... That's right, the only reason I still have my Xbox 360, is for Gears of War developed by Epic. But, Gears of War is coming to a close.

Now, some are saying, "But, we still have Halo." This is what I have to say. What were you playing when Microsoft and Xbox didn't exist in the gaming world? What were you playing before? Did you have a PSOne? Or a Dreamcast? Did you ever play Crash Bandicoot when Naughty Dog developed it? Have you played Crash Bandicoot now? There's good reason Naughty Dog sold the IP. To make some money while they still could to someone dumb enough to buy it on its way out the door. Bungie created Halo. Its their baby just as Call of Duty was Infinity Wards. But, someone trying to duplicate what one has already mastered, that's.... Obsurd.

Yes! The PlayStation community is in a roar as Bungie is now a multi-platform developer. Insomniac may go the say route, but Insomniac I believe is a different story. They won't be as appreciated as much by the rest of the gaming community as PlayStation gamers have been about their games. Likewise, other gamers won't give a hoot about Bungie like 360 gamers will. Sure they may sell a few, but... its not the same, unless again, Bungie can pull off something different and amazing, and leave the First Person Shooter genre behind. We're getting tired of it. How many FPS games are on the Xbox 360? MANY! How many on the PS3, very few. How many are on the Wii? Even fewer. Because FPS is on its way out the door making room for action games like God of War (Dante's Inferno, Devil May Cry, Ninja Gaiden, Darksiders) and Metal Gears cover system (Gears of War, Resident Evil 5, Mass Effect, Quatum Theory, to some extent Uncharted) Ah yes! Play some Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence. Cliff Bleszinski just mastered it. And he is secretly a Metal Gear Solid fan. Believe it. Play Metal Gear Solid 3. Pressing up tightly against a wall and peaking around a corner and taking your shot, its all been done before.

So there ya go.

the only other people Microsoft has is Valve and we know that fat bastard Gabe Newell won't make anything for PS3 cause their too lazy ( and before you come in here dark wayne saying i'm whining and putting the man down for bad reasons ) i can put him down like he has put down the gaming system of my choice cause too me when he puts down PS3 he's putting me and the other PS3 users down as if their saying were no good ( as if were 2nd class citizens in the gaming world ) this has nothing to do with Portal 2 or Half life 3 or episode 3 development time and they are fine at their developing paste that's got nothing too do with why i hate valve or gabe newell ( i just thought i mention this right now before he or someone else comes in here to bad mouth me in my views of Valve as Dark Wayne has done soo before )

Seriously? You're automatically more sophisticated because you own a PlayStation 3? God you're dense.

Oh and by the way MGS3 wasn't the first game to use a "cover system", don't be such a fanboy. And God of War wasn't the first game to use a QTE either. Either you only played games from the 2000s or you're completely oblivious to anything made outside of a PS1, PS2, or PS3. Either way you need to look up your facts before having diarrhea of the mouth.

This is great news for ALL parties involved because Microsoft still gets their Halo. Sony gets some Bungie love, but Microsoft (and possibly Nintendo as well) do too. And the X360 doesn't have anything besides FPS? Mass Effect 1&2? Crackdown 1&2? Alan Wake? Splinter Cell? Gears of War? Xbox LIVE? (which is better than PSN..it just is sorry. And I do own a ps3/360) Fable series? Forza series?

I think someone just needs to get off his high horse.

I have nothing of interest to post here, but I just wanted to be a part of the best thread I've ever seen on Joystiq

Nathan.... Its clear where you stand. That's alright. That's cool! What American doesn't cheer on someone whether it be the New York Yankees, The Saints, the Jazz or the Red Wings. The Ford, the Chevy, the Toyota, the Harley or the Yamaha. People are just like that. So I'm glad you're so opinionated and take a stance somewhere. Those are the best people to converse with simply because they're not content with what seems so popular by culture or the social norms. So good for you. I'd totally digg sittin down with ya and talkin about those kinds of things.

No, God of War wasn't the first of its kind. In fact as far as I can remember, Devil May Cry seemed to be the first of its kind. As far as Metal Gear is concerned, that's as far back as I know of. My point was simply to state that Microsofts most key developers aren't as innovative as their gaming audience has been led to believe and as Microsoft claims them to be. Fortunate for me, someone so has been able to back-up my idea. I had an Atari first but I was only five. We got a SEGA Genesis when I was about eight or nine after the Atari crashed.

Its good news for gamers all around. I don't disagree with you. I'm just saying, that I don't care. And the rest of the gaming market that I know of personally, don't care either.

You are one of the few that believe things that way with the Xbox 360. Take a demographic or Xbox 360 gamers and you will find that majority of them buy an Xbox 360 for FPS.

Now, PlayStation Network vs Xbox LIVE. I think that's a matter of opinion as you have so plainly professed. Its really a matter of preference. What makes Xbox LIVE so much better than PlayStation 3? Define the service? Define better? I can make a list of why I THINK PlayStation Network is superior to Xbox LIVE, but someone can come along as say that THEY THINK that Xbox LIVE is superior. What it really comes down to, is what they want out of the service. For instance, I think that the Xbox LIVE Dashboard is cluttered and unorganized and I have to fight and wait through loading screens to watch a video. I have to wait for the video to download before I can even watch it. I feel that the Xbox LIVE Arcade is filled with a bunch of shovelware that's completely overpriced, and I don't care about a Shick Razor so stop advertising it to me. I don't pay $50/yr for you to advertise stuff to me. If I wanted to do that, I'd get AOL. With PlayStation Network, I can watch movies while its downloading and I simply go to my video icon on the XMB go down to my video and play it. I guarentee you, if we were to put my PS3 and your Xbox 360 next to other and booted them up together and went in to watch a video, I could accompish the feat much faster then you could on your $50/yr. service. That's the equivelent of trying to work something on a MAC vs doing the same job on a PC. It takes eight steps longer.

I can also plug a memory stick into my USB port and I can transfer my music instantly on my PS3. I have to stream the music from that memory stick every time I want to listen to it. The same goes for movies. I also have a choice as to where I buy my HDD from and I can get a 1.5TB HDD for less then a 120GB Microsoft brand HDD.

I would however, like to see cross-game chat on the PS3. What I hate about that feature on my Xbox 360, is everyone wants to sit and blab on the dashboard. That's why I have a cell-phone. With the PS3 its, lets cut to the chase and get the game on. If you wanna talk to me call, me on my cell phone later.

Finally, I have had more game disconnections on my Xbox 360 through XBL, than I have ever had on my PS3 and I was paying for that. I wasn't paying anything for PSN and I got quality online gaming.

So you tell me. I'm sure there are your preferences to XBL, but I'm sure there are things you dislike and there are things you would like about the XMB and PSN vs the 360. Its all just preference to what you want. If you wanna talk about HDD, I would gladly ablidge. But, that's a matter of opinion. Is it not?

That's a lot of typing for a reply fail

@Cap Morgan (formerly tenor77)

Maybe he was using the "superior" PS3 non-FPS browser?

Bungie if you're going to get in bed with the devil, you'd better be packing a condom cause buring while you pee is a bitch

Your friends that agree with you are not "the PlayStation community", they're your friends. I'm glad you think your system is better by default because you're in love with Sony. And XBL arcade sucks? Really? Having trails of EVERY game sucks as to say..NOT having trials for any game on the PSN? I'm not going to bother responding to your next rebuttle as I'm sure it'll just be another 'MY PS3 PWNZ J00!@!" disguised as long paragraphs.

The 360 has some really great features for $50 a year..advertisements on the dashboard are not a big deal to me because..dun dun dun, I overlook them! *GASP*
Sony does give users more freedom with accessory support and does other things better than Microsoft..and vise versa for Microsoft. Anyway, last reply as I don't feel like arguing with someone that is such a fanboy their judgment is clouded. BTW no you're wrong again as Devil May Cry was not the first game to use QTEs either.

PS: About your "with games like Dante, Darksiders, GOW, etc coming out we don't care about FPS" comment. Yeah because having an overload of QTE games that copy the game that made them popular is any better.

Not to disagree with you, but you did just infinitely fail to a reply fail

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